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Best case scenario is Sunderland gets promoted and he plays a full season in the top flight with them.
 

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Interesting the Odegard comparisons. Whenever I have watched him for Sunderland he has done well, but does look more effective through the middle as a number 10 than a winger.

Bags of ability, but still not sure he has the pace or strength to be a top wide player for us. I still feel in the premiership, he might get bullied a bit physically by some of the stronger more experinced full backs.

I'd really like to see him developed as more of a number 10. Think his technique and vision can be fully utilised in those spaes to be a top player to Odegard
I think he is quicker than Sancho and has more in his bag than Antony but obviously has not had the same amount of action at a higher level as the two mentioned.
I love watching clips of him in action and look forward to see how he develops in the future.
 

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Best case scenario is Sunderland gets promoted and he plays a full season in the top flight with them.
Unfortunately I don't think there's a chance Sunderland get promoted now that Everton have recalled Simms.
 

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Burnley and Sheffield United are a notch above the rest from what I’ve seen. Not only are they recently relegated teams with budgets way above the others due to the solidarity payments or whatever they are called, they have also put together really solid squads and have a clear idea on how to play and the personnel to do it. Burnley is extremely possession oriented and SU is a really tough team to play against. Sunderland’s best shot is the POs, but that is what, like at best a 25% shot for them.
 

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Burnley and Sheffield United are a notch above the rest from what I’ve seen. Not only are they recently relegated teams with budgets way above the others due to the solidarity payments or whatever they are called, they have also put together really solid squads and have a clear idea on how to play and the personnel to do it. Burnley is extremely possession oriented and SU is a really tough team to play against. Sunderland’s best shot is the POs, but that is what, like at best a 25% shot for them.
What are QPR like as a team and do you think they are a chance for the POs?
 

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Has been an amazing loan so far. Looked great in those last few games. Agree with others that hope he gets a chance at the #10 spot here.
 

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Antony's competition for the right wing role. Excellent close control and vision. All he needed was game time.
 

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His role is akin to Messi in his later days in Barca, not a 10 but not hugging the right flank either, somewhee inbetween using his passing and trickery to progress the game forward.
He looks a better passer than Antony and generally his play looks more unpredictable. No doubt with this performances he'll be in the squad for pre season, it will be up to ETH to decide if he will be kept going for next season. His skillset are rear in football, if he maintain a decent engine he'll be a star.
 

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I hope he does develop behind the striker

Maybe I’m just being racist against left footers, but something feels too weird about having 3 left footed wingers (Antony, Diallo and Viva Garnacho)
 

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I hope he does develop behind the striker

Maybe I’m just being racist against left footers, but something feels too weird about having 3 left footed wingers (Antony, Diallo and Viva Garnacho)
Garnacho is right footed.
 

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I hope he does develop behind the striker

Maybe I’m just being racist against left footers, but something feels too weird about having 3 left footed wingers (Antony, Diallo and Viva Garnacho)
I thought Garnacho was right footed.
 

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I think he needs another loan next year to be ready for us. But he'll be phenomenal in 2 years. I am sure of it.
disagree, he's ready now and will provide competition to Antony next year
 

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I think he is quicker than Sancho and has more in his bag than Antony but obviously has not had the same amount of action at a higher level as the two mentioned.
I love watching clips of him in action and look forward to see how he develops in the future.
I absolutely love Amad, and I believe his pace is underrated l, however, I think it's the same with Sancho - I think it's an attribute they don't use too much (or too well) perhaps due to stamina levels, rather than something they actually lack.

None of them are Rashford levels of a speedster, but almost no one in the league is in all fairness. However, I've seen Sancho and Rashford together on a blindingly quick counter (I think against Chelsea), and Sancho basically matched Rashford all the way from deep in our half to Chelsea's goal and left the Chelsea team in their wake.

Obviously one explanation could be Rashford was intentionally slowing down so as not to go offside :lol: It didn't look it though.
 

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I absolutely love Amad, and I believe his pace is underrated l, however, I think it's the same with Sancho - I think it's an attribute they don't use too much (or too well) perhaps due to stamina levels, rather than something they actually lack.

None of them are Rashford levels of a speedster, but almost no one in the league is in all fairness. However, I've seen Sancho and Rashford together on a blindingly quick counter (I think against Chelsea), and Sancho basically matched Rashford all the way from deep in our half to Chelsea's goal and left the Chelsea team in their wake.

Obviously one explanation could be Rashford was intentionally slowing down so as not to go offside :lol: It didn't look it though.
I just watched it again and Sancho did show a bit of pace.....Marcus was jogging though :lol:
 

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He has scored the majority (if not all) of his goals with his left.
he dribbles with his right though which is always the main indicator

he seems quite competent at striking it with his left though which is obviously a really valuable asset for a left winger to have
 

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He looks the business in that clip, very impressive. Anyone know what the Sunderland fans have been saying?
As a Sunderland season ticket holder here goes ….
When first played looked a bit light weight and lacking in confidence ( maybe after not playing that much in Scotland)
However , he came on as a sub -gradually got game time and played in a side ( incredibly for Sunderland) that has pace and a few other game changers -Roberts -Clarke -Stewart -Pritchard .
You gradually saw his confidence and “ robustness “ grow and he links particularly brilliantly with Roberts ( the most technical player we have )
After 4 years in division one I would have been happy to survive in our first year back but with him and the others we have- play offs is not out of question .
Our average gates are 38 thousand plus ( boxing day was 44500) so he’s playing in front of decent numbers as he would do at United obviously.One thing Tony Mowbray seems to be good at is developing young players and he’s certainly doing that here .
He’s still raw but he will be a very good player for you -big step up to Prem but I think he will make it with you .
He clearly is enjoying himself here and developing very well..He takes on players which opens space for others- good with the ball into his feet -he and the other forwards we have are great to watch -cant believe I’m actually typing this about Sunderland !!He has had a run of games now and his judgement on when to release the ball has improved as a result ..Good player
 
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Unfortunately I don't think there's a chance Sunderland get promoted now that Everton have recalled Simms.
Simms was good for us ( particularly being so young) but not a game changer and our number 2 striker .Stewart is the one we cannot afford to lose. -he’s been out 14 games injured but his goals to games is a credit to him -Simms slotted in but another good striker would do well in this side as we create a lot of chances .
Play offs not out of the question if we recruit well in January and can keep hold of a few .( never thought I would say that at start of season !)
 

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@Northumberland Red how many times has he hit the bar for you, the rtg forums seem to think it happens rather a lot...

Also a big part of a free flowing side, he seems like such a good lad, hopefully he continues at Sunderland next year instead of coming back to us and continues this trajectory upwards. I expect a Garner-esque move on the cards, personally, but it's obvious that Amad has an amazing football brain. Could be one of those players that really becomes something special a lot later in his career, since physically he might not be at a premier league level just yet.
 

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I like the way he uses his skill to create space, purely functional, and he has a quick burst of pace to separate. Looks a very promising player for the future now.
 

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@Northumberland Red how many times has he hit the bar for you, the rtg forums seem to think it happens rather a lot...

Also a big part of a free flowing side, he seems like such a good lad, hopefully he continues at Sunderland next year instead of coming back to us and continues this trajectory upwards. I expect a Garner-esque move on the cards, personally, but it's obvious that Amad has an amazing football brain. Could be one of those players that really becomes something special a lot later in his career, since physically he might not be at a premier league level just yet.
3 -I think
One thing for sure it’s the most I’ve enjoyed watching football in a long long time and he’s a part of that ..
There is also a clear connection between our young squad ( 9 under 23 on
Boxing Day ) and the fans
Everyone at every club likes to see young lads enjoy themselves and express their skill -because we have such a young side the fan base is right behind them -we also have several home grown young ones and they are all flourishing at minute .
I believe you are after our 15 year old Midfielder Chris Rigg who was in our bench v Bpool ( as are that lot up the road from us -unfortunately they can buy what they want now )
He’s England captain arc under 16 and a tremendous prospect .
Diallo is benefiting from the positivity around the place as well as contributing enormously to it
 

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What are QPR like as a team and do you think they are a chance for the POs?
I think it is very doubt ful, but the Championship is extremely thight. Everyone are beating everyone, think Blackburn at 3 in the table have a zero goals for/against difference.

The fascinating thing is that in general — of the team playing “good” football, they are often on average worse than in other leagues, and of the teams that play a simplistic style of football — they are better than in the average league. And then you have all the teams that play something in between a style aimed to dominate and a style aimed at just sending long balls up the pitch. Looking at a “typical” PL season of the last 10 years, it’s like the Everton and West Ham’s regularly finishing ahead of the Arsenal and Chelsea’s.

A team like Watford can have a pretty complete team with some real edge in it and play an offensive brand of football, and still camp out in the middle of the standing. Swansea is a Pep unsourced possession team. Teams like Blackburn, Reading and co are just heavy set and never looks good, but still gets point. Classic 3-5-2 teams, often two heavy strikers (Andy Carroll is the smaller of two strikers often for Reading). I think that both Middlesbrough and QPR are good, fairly well balanced, teams. Not the least for their wingbacks including Laird for sure, Boro got Ryan Giles who is a standout in the Championship, don’t think it’s absurd to compare his impact on Boro with Hernandez impact on Milan. Norwhich and WBA play OK too.

But like this year, there is just 5 pts between 4th and 15th. It’s nothing. Blackburn is 3rd in the stands, won 14 and lost 12, scored 30 and let in 30. After Sheffield U and Burnley, there is literary 15 teams competing for 4 PO spots. They play 46 games. Like the PL plus a group stage of the CL. It’s really hard to bet on who will get top 4.
 

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3 -I think
One thing for sure it’s the most I’ve enjoyed watching football in a long long time and he’s a part of that ..
There is also a clear connection between our young squad ( 9 under 23 on
Boxing Day ) and the fans
Everyone at every club likes to see young lads enjoy themselves and express their skill -because we have such a young side the fan base is right behind them -we also have several home grown young ones and they are all flourishing at minute .
I believe you are after our 15 year old Midfielder Chris Rigg who was in our bench v Bpool ( as are that lot up the road from us -unfortunately they can buy what they want now )
He’s England captain arc under 16 and a tremendous prospect .
Diallo is benefiting from the positivity around the place as well as contributing enormously to it
The atmosphere and attitude on the team you guys have is amazing, everything was left on the field against Blackpool, great away following.

And I also think it’s important to point out that Sunderland still has fairly good depth. Patrick Roberts is a very good Championship winger. Ba, Clark, Pritchard, Stewart, there are some guys in competition for the top 4 spots up front even with Simms gone. Michut. I am sure I am forgetting something.

Think there is an excellent position for Diallo to develop in. I wouldn’t be that concerned about him not being ready if we brought him back. But at the same time, I think he will develop better at Sunderland and I especially think that it’s vital for a kid like this to get that golden off-season before which he is told that he will get a chance to fulfill his dream and get to show up in the best shape of his life when preseason starts. That shouldn’t be underrated.
 

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Can we recall?
I know it would be tempting but this loan is obviously doing wonders for his confidence; to bring him back and possibly having him on the bench most of the time could really have a negative impact. I really think we need to take the long view with this very special talent.
 

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I prefer him to play as a RW, we can benefit from his dribble, 1v1 and directness unlike Antony that doesn't give us those things right now
 

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I know it would be tempting but this loan is obviously doing wonders for his confidence; to bring him back and possibly having him on the bench most of the time could really have a negative impact. I really think we need to take the long view with this very special talent.
That's a fair point, let's hope Antony or Sancho can sort themselves out.
 

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I prefer him to play as a RW, we can benefit from his dribble, 1v1 and directness unlike Antony that doesn't give us those things right now
Yeah, I like him at RW too, but would certainly not rule out the AMC position. He gets more time at RW. Can play with a little bit bigger marginals. I think he got everything there. He can go for the finish with both his feet, can deliver the ball into the box well. He is really good at taking a pass and retaining possession despite being heavily pressured, either by beating the guy coming at him, getting a free kick or finding a good passing option.

He is also patient and very team loyal. That is one of the issues Antony is having (although I don’t at all agree with the criticism of him), he don’t get the ball that often for longer stretches. Bruno and co won’t just defer the ball to him to see if he can do something with it. Often he gets the ball when there are no other options for these guys, and the defending team will always be able to pressure him immediately in those situation.
 

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I think it is very doubt ful, but the Championship is extremely thight. Everyone are beating everyone, think Blackburn at 3 in the table have a zero goals for/against difference.

The fascinating thing is that in general — of the team playing “good” football, they are often on average worse than in other leagues, and of the teams that play a simplistic style of football — they are better than in the average league. And then you have all the teams that play something in between a style aimed to dominate and a style aimed at just sending long balls up the pitch. Looking at a “typical” PL season of the last 10 years, it’s like the Everton and West Ham’s regularly finishing ahead of the Arsenal and Chelsea’s.

A team like Watford can have a pretty complete team with some real edge in it and play an offensive brand of football, and still camp out in the middle of the standing. Swansea is a Pep unsourced possession team. Teams like Blackburn, Reading and co are just heavy set and never looks good, but still gets point. Classic 3-5-2 teams, often two heavy strikers (Andy Carroll is the smaller of two strikers often for Reading). I think that both Middlesbrough and QPR are good, fairly well balanced, teams. Not the least for their wingbacks including Laird for sure, Boro got Ryan Giles who is a standout in the Championship, don’t think it’s absurd to compare his impact on Boro with Hernandez impact on Milan. Norwhich and WBA play OK too.

But like this year, there is just 5 pts between 4th and 15th. It’s nothing. Blackburn is 3rd in the stands, won 14 and lost 12, scored 30 and let in 30. After Sheffield U and Burnley, there is literary 15 teams competing for 4 PO spots. They play 46 games. Like the PL plus a group stage of the CL. It’s really hard to bet on who will get top 4.
Thanks for that.
I used to get live Championship games but I have lost that service now so I appreciate the update.
 

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I hope we don’t recall him.

He’s the main man at Sunderland. If he came back he’d be a squad player. Let him continue to develop further and review the squad in the summer.
 

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I hope we don’t recall him.

He’s the main man at Sunderland. If he came back he’d be a squad player. Let him continue to develop further and review the squad in the summer.
ETH pretty much confirmed we won’t be bringing him back - which is for the best.

He needs to play and keep doing well like he currently is. would be massively foolish to ruin that just to sit him on the bench.
 
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