Oh I’m sure you can have a very gentle break, but that aint the claim here. Does anyone have experience of a violent headbutt causing an invisible broken nose?
No. I'm a physio though & my partner is a doctor. You don't need a picture to tell you that a broken nose from being headbutted will absolutely, unquestionably result in both swelling and bruising. Anyone claiming otherwise is taking out their rear.
Yea, you said unhinged, meaning mentally unstable & deranged. That's much better & so very different to lunacy. /s
Oh she absolutely didn't break her nose. As is clear in her pictures & next day TV appearances & witness statements from her hair stylist & make-up artist. Of course there's also no medical record and as with everything, it's just her claiming it. I will concede you can definitely have no swelling or bruising if the headbutt and broken nose were imaginary.
How about her lying about it being broken? Seems more likely to me? I do think he headbutted her honestly, but she's lying about how bad it was to make him look worse. She seems to lie a lot so this is plausible.
See, here's where you're probably misunderstanding me. I'm discussing the validity of her version of events where she claims it was a forceful, deliberate, him pulling his head back and flying forward with everything he's got.
I meant it more in the "divorced from reality" kind of way, but in any case you're reading that sentence wrong. It doesn't say that no has called you a lunatic.
I think he hit her with his head, in the UK trial he said it was a clash of heads where he hit her forehead & that would be much less likely to show any damage and it also wouldn't cause a break unless he literally caved her skull in. I think he probably did hit her forehead like he says but I'm not so sure I believe it was accidental.
I see, still a lunatic then. Well if you want to put forward a rational argument at any point then please feel free to do so.
There's no way he wins it. He might have if the trial was about proving she is worse than him. Either way it's very entertaining in a time when everything else is shit.
I haven't watched a single minute of this trial because I'm not comfortable with the idea of making people's personal suffering a matter of entertainment, but I've followed some reactions here and on social media, and the way some people are almost religiously committed to defending depp is bound to cause some of them to lose the plot. That's when I'll be entertained.
Grim. It'll be a devastating blow for both male & female DV victims around the world but so long as you'll get a giggle.
Yup that's how I see it too.
I think it's trivial to have some unhinged takes without being a lunatic, but if you really want it to be true that I'm calling you a lunatic then I'm not going to argue with you about it. I don't have the power to section you, so it really doesn't matter that much.
Are you being deliberately difficult or are you just genuinely ignorant? It'd be like me saying a C-section leaves a scar and you saying "it's perfectly possible to have a natural birth without a scar on your abdomen". Like yea, no shit, but that's not what is being talked about. I'll say it for you one final time before I completely lose hope for you. It's not possible to have no bruising if your nose is broken via a headbutt like the one described by Amber Heard.
That's the kind of overly dramatic comments I'm looking forward to. I won't laugh at depp or heard, I feel sorry for both of them actually for having to go through this. But the fanboys having a meltdown online will be hilarious. I predict we'll have some of that in this thread too.
Ugh. I'm too tired to debate this any more, especially from scratch. Hopefully you find education on these matters some day.
You're a better person than me. I've been an avid watcher of AFTV, so I got a taste for it.
Oh I don't want to debate anything with you, so don't worry.
That sounds like torture.
Let's not repaint the picture too much, here is what you actually said: "Despite her not getting surgery on the broken nose? Broken nose will give you black eyes for weeks, yet she had no black eye 1 & 2 days after her nose was broken? Jog on. "
Yeah I get your point. There's still so much scope for uncertainty though. She never said he did it with everything he's got, at least I don't think she did. Maybe he held back. Maybe it was a headbutt but she exaggerated the impact. Maybe even the mildest of headbutts felt like being hit by a brick to her. There's so many possibilities.
So you are just being obtuse. You'd think the context was pretty heavily implied given the discussion was about JD breaking her nose with a violent headbutt & my probably 20+ other posts all referenced that context too just to make it extra clear but you want to argue with a point I'm not making. Ok, you might get bruising around the nose & under the eyes for 7 days from what she described but the bruising can even last for up to 4 weeks. I guess the bottom end around 7 days is a week & not weeks but it would usually be longer given how she claimed it happened. Sorry I didn't give a time in exact hours to suit your pedantry.
Completely agree here. Very good chance both claims are dismissed regardless of how vindicated Depp appears at the end, if he does
At the moment no points are 'proven' until the jury give their verdict. They have to believe that it was more likely than not that the article was wrote with malice, was untrue & that he suffered damages because of it. Just because he is suing her for $50m doesn't mean that if he wins the case he'll get $50m. The jury could decide for example that yes the article was falsified but they might decide the damage didn't cause him to lose $50m in earnings & instead award him 40 or 30 or 20 etc.
Dismissed
Extra time because Americans hate ties. Depp and Heard take a weapon of their choice from the Big Box of Weapons and then fight until only one remains.
And they have to be dressed as jack sparrow and aquawoman.
I think Amber would be a little upset having to wear a pirate costume but, yeah, let's go for it!
I think she'd like it, and depp would probably be a much more interesting aquaman than khal drogo
It's harder to win than not for sure but I think that 100% certainty that he won't win is starting to drop. If they had just expanded the definition of abuse to being subjectively anything from a raised voice to a closed fist punch to the face & then managed to disassociate Heard from the op-ed title then Depp would have 100% had no chance. It felt like that was what they were going for too with their psychologist trying to expand the definition of abuse as much as possible but then Amber came in and blew that all to kingdom come with this edition of her testimony. At this point if the jury don't buy her story they're probably a lot more likely to vote against her because of how outrageous the lies have become, if they believe them to be lies that is. Really think she should have played it down & got to a point where the jury would vote against Depp if they believed he so much as raised his hand to her.
