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Should have kept Sabitzer. He was better
Yeah because Maguire, Sancho, Mainoo etc have had no hype.Every manager, new signing, and youth player gets overhyped and overrated at United, unless they're British
Yes!Should have kept Sabitzer. He was better
It is a shame he is playing with his eyes closed at the moment.The good thing with Amrabat is that he played for Ten Hag in Utrecht, and knows the systems with his eyes closed.
The bad thing is that ETH believed that Amrabat is a great player for Man Utd. Perhaps we are something like Utrecht in his mind?
Yes, but with a structure above, Amrabat will become Ten times the player he is now!It is a shame he is playing with his eyes closed at the moment.
Would Sabitzer have fared better in this two advanced 8 system Ten Hag seems to be shoehorning? I was wondering as last season he seemed to be not what we needed in that we needed a DM more really and he seemed like a player that wanted to be more advanced and pressing.Should have kept Sabitzer. He was better
What I find funny is that he burned all his bridge sat Fiorentina to get this move. It will be a hell of a reunion when he returns.Yes, but with a structure above, Amrabat will become Ten times the player he is now!
And anyone in the transfer thread who tries to temper expectations gets shouted down, every time.It has been the case in that post Fergie era. We massively overrate any new signing, then when we get shocked by their actual form we turn upside down and slaughter them. From the start we shouldn't have overrated them, but we never learn, and we do it again with the next new player.
He was always a back up MF, especially as McT wasn’t sold in the end. He was never going to play ahead of Cas and Kobbie, and has only played so much because of injuries. Cheap loan backups don’t need to be world class, they need to do a job which Sof has done - but that doesn’t mean he should be made permanent either.The fact that he thinks this is what we need and then abandons him to the subs bench (and he's not even first sub) tells you all you need to know about ETH decision making.
Still waiting on him to become a Manchester United player
If his identification of signings is so bad, especially when he has actually worked with these guys and knows them better than any scout, what does that tell you about ETH?Again on ETH. Surely he says "don't get him, he's bobbins". The fact that he thinks this is what we need and then abandons him to the subs bench (and he's not even first sub) tells you all you need to know about ETH decision making.
I wouldn't let him anywhere near recruitment. Get Mitchell and DoF in with smarts and leave ETH to create a style of play.
I don't want him to go but he's massively underperformed this season just as much as the team.
Most of the Caf treated him that way at the time. He was the key to unlocking it all, along with Onana.
What makes this even funnier is the resident expert you speak of added Antony as a key component of the equation with balance, possession and ball progression.
Ball playing keeps > Rest Defense > First Phase mid > GOALS galore....that's the gist of the 1000 word essays by football experts on here.
Yes Sabitzer would have fared better in this season's formation. I even think Sabitzer would be better in a 433 with two #8s than Mount is, certainly when Bruno is the other #8.Would Sabitzer have fared better in this two advanced 8 system Ten Hag seems to be shoehorning? I was wondering as last season he seemed to be not what we needed in that we needed a DM more really and he seemed like a player that wanted to be more advanced and pressing.
Not that I'm advocating any return, of course. Just wondering if we did these loans in in the wrong order.
To be fair, Mainoo has had a lot of hype. As did Rashford when he first broke through.Every manager, new signing, and youth player gets overhyped and overrated at United, unless they're British
To be fair ten hag didn't buy beek, though I'm sure had beek had been at ajax still he probably would have tried to sign him as well.You could say similar about van de Beek. He must be abysmal in training.
Nah, I think there is a useful player in there too.Am I the only person on this forum who thinks he’s decent?
That's a good point. ETH current system is a better fit for Sabitzer and now that I think about it, that system has similarities with the one Leipzig used years ago, Laimer is an other player who on paper would fit our system but in the deeper midfield role, unfortunately I don't think Bayern are sellers.Would Sabitzer have fared better in this two advanced 8 system Ten Hag seems to be shoehorning? I was wondering as last season he seemed to be not what we needed in that we needed a DM more really and he seemed like a player that wanted to be more advanced and pressing.
Not that I'm advocating any return, of course. Just wondering if we did these loans in in the wrong order.
We loaned an advanced midfielder when we were playing 2 deep, and a deep midfielder when we play with two advanced.Would Sabitzer have fared better in this two advanced 8 system Ten Hag seems to be shoehorning? I was wondering as last season he seemed to be not what we needed in that we needed a DM more really and he seemed like a player that wanted to be more advanced and pressing.
Not that I'm advocating any return, of course. Just wondering if we did these loans in in the wrong order.
Most of the Caf treated him that way at the time. He was the key to unlocking it all, along with Onana.
It has been the case in that post Fergie era. We massively overrate any new signing, then when we get shocked by their actual form we turn upside down and slaughter them. From the start we shouldn't have overrated them, but we never learn, and we do it again with the next new player.
Should the posters who had some optimism that he’d be a good signing be made to apologise and kneel before you?Every manager, new signing, and youth player gets overhyped and overrated at United, unless they're British
It's better to listen to realistic views than be overly positive. What's the point in saying he's a great signing, will transform midfield etc, just to be sat there a month later saying he's fecking shite? I was dubious, but I'm not one that is commenting how bad he is now - so who is really the worst culprits for negativity? He is what I expected and it just doesn't bother me, because I could see it coming. I just rightfully question those that signed him and thought he would be a good signing.Should the posters who had some optimism that he’d be a good signing be made to apologise and kneel before you?
Not sure what’s worse in the Caf these days. The incessant negativity or those who like to get a pat on the back from taking a swipe at anything positive.
He started off decent, then had a period where he struggled. From memory he looked like he'd just started turning that back around and had one or two decent performances before his current injury/illness. Who knows whether that improvement would have continued.Am I the only person on this forum who thinks he’s decent?
He is decent. If we signed him last season instead of Sabitzer he could have made a difference. These days you can have Carrick and even he would struggle.Am I the only person on this forum who thinks he’s decent?
Would Sabitzer have fared better in this two advanced 8 system Ten Hag seems to be shoehorning? I was wondering as last season he seemed to be not what we needed in that we needed a DM more really and he seemed like a player that wanted to be more advanced and pressing.
Not that I'm advocating any return, of course. Just wondering if we did these loans in in the wrong order.
Sabitzer would have been a good fit for one of the high 8 positions indeed. Same could be said about Fred and Donny who might have felt more comfortable there than in the double pivot.Yes Sabitzer would have fared better in this season's formation. I even think Sabitzer would be better in a 433 with two #8s than Mount is, certainly when Bruno is the other #8.
Although from a squad building perspective I still think we needed an extra #6 rather than another #8 regardless of formation.
Posters who consider everything (most of) that isn't overly positive as a negative are certainly up there. Embrace the grey side.Should the posters who had some optimism that he’d be a good signing be made to apologise and kneel before you?
Not sure what’s worse in the Caf these days. The incessant negativity or those who like to get a pat on the back from taking a swipe at anything positive.
Thats my take as well. Although I think it has to be said that this only applies if we keep the system as it is right now. I think, Amrabat in the Eriksen Role of last season would be worth a shot (even though I initially thought he would be a little more mobile and aggressive than he is)He has been a 15-30 player so far, not terrible but clearly not suited to the pace of this league.
This transfer makes no sense long term. If Casemiro stays, then we have him and Mainoo. If Casemiro goes, we still need a first choice DM - not Amrabat.
The point about Sabitzer, Fred and Donny is bang on.... Last year we were stacked with 8's, and short of 6's... but he played a double pivot all season.Sabitzer would have been a good fit for one of the high 8 positions indeed. Same could be said about Fred and Donny who might have felt more comfortable there than in the double pivot.
I really cant....The point about Sabitzer, Fred and Donny is bang on.... Last year we were stacked with 8's, and short of 6's... but he played a double pivot all season.
This season we are stacked with 6's and short of 8's, and he is playing a single pivot.
Someone please make this make sense?!?!
Sabitzer is a MUCH better player.Should have kept Sabitzer. He was better