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Absolutely spot on RedStar. Herrera regularly churned out performances, like he did against Man Utd, for Bilbao. He was brilliant under Marco Bielsa. And if you listen to Herrera he can not speak highly enough of the mad bastard.
Do you not agree? Or would you rather see us keep blaming formation or managers. I’d rather the players took more of the responsibility. Like we did last night. For the record Herrera was decent last night but his limitations were there on display for all to see (passing needs to be better) and Pogba was man of the match. Watching Herrera first half drop between the two central defenders to play square back and forth is not his forte with his skill set granted but it was about to take us to new levels of turgidness.
Sorry buddy you picked my post up wrong probably because it was short and isolated to be fair (I had company in the house so was kind of red cafe visiting limited) But I was meaning let’s judge on performances we see rather than make excuses for player after player. I thought Herrera was decent against Bournemouth absolutely nothing more than that. He’s not suited in my opinion as s 6 as I’ve mentioned a few times so I’ll leave it at that. Won’t be popular opinion and maybe in the minority but I think we need better than Herrera.
And the second. Intercepted a pass then passed through the lines from left back to start the counter
And you thought that was relevant only in the Herrera thread? Or am I to find that same post in ever other player thread?
Fair enough on first point as was a bit random. He did play a great ball to Lingard for the goal with a little slide rule pass (he has this in his locker, as well as a beautiful curling cross and a great first touch turn) but if you think Herrera is a good passer of the ball then I don’t know what to say to you.
So why were you compelled to put that specifically in the Herrera thread and not elsewhere. Doesn't that tell you something.
What is this the Spanish Inquisition Ivaldo? Come on It’s a football forum where opinions are posted no? Don’t get all arsey if my opinion doesn’t conform to you that’s what that tells me. I’m not a Herrera fan he’s very limited in his play and if you think he plays slide rule passes all game then we are watching different players.
No it's not. It's a pretty simple question that you've refused to answer, and we both know why. It's strange behavior indeed!
I think I’ll leave you there Ivaldo.
I don't know how you think Herrera is limited in his play and then in other thread you post that we should sign Dier. Dier is even more limited.
Dier is a far better player than Herrera it’s not even close. I’m not sure you’ll find many Spurs fans fancying that swap.
Who cares what Spurs fans think, don't think Arsenal fans will swap Ramsey for Pogba, doesn't mean they are correct.
Think you’d find most Arsenal fans would swap and why would you not care what Spurs fans opinions were when they watch Dier every week so their opinion would probably be more informative. But any way Dier in my opinion is better at reading a game, more physically imposing, better leadership qualities, better overall passing game. I think he’s a very good player and would love him at United much like I said with Matic (before his signature) and the difference for me between Matic and Herrera is about the same with Dier and Herrera.
Care you answer before you leave?
Answer what exactly that you are being offensive now?
I don't even rate Herrera that much, but there's nothing between Dier and Herrera as far as quality goes. How many United fans would fancy a swap between Herrera and Dier? I'd guess the answer would be in a minority.
I’d honestly be stunned if that was the case and I’m being genuine.
Offensive? What have I said to offend you?
Like I said few Spurs fans also said they won't swap Lloris for De Gea.
You do realise that it was probably the biggest compliment Jose could give Herrera?
You won’t find an objective opinion on Dier on here. He’s a bit of an arse and is English, grounds for most to hate him.
Imagine him in that Liverpool team. He has an eye for those slipped through passes as well. He was fantastic at Bilbao. The season before he joined us he played a lot behind the striker. Bielsa’s Bilbao were actually an amazing team.
I already answered your question in the first post so not sure what or why you’re implying I have not answered you. A poster posted that he wasn’t with the right type of manager and he’s more of this type of player etc I replied it’s time we stopped making excuses for our players and judge them on their performances. What in the world is wrong with that? Don’t you agree with this?Offensive? What have I said to offend you?
Dier is one of the most overrated players in the league. If he wasn't English nobody would rave about him. Very limited on the ball and cumbersome in his movement of it.
He’s not a great player though is he lets be honest. He’s done what since being here for almost 4-5 years. His passing game anything over 15-20 yards leaves a lot to be desired. He’s better further up pressing I agree as he plays better when instinctively. He does have some great facets to his game with his slide rule pass excellent, his curling cross from 40 yards out and his first touch turn is brilliant but unfortunately it’s been proven it’s not enough here to cement a place in a team that’s been struggling to average in this area during his time here.
Yeah I wasn’t his biggest fan to start with so can see why people don’t rave about him but more I watched him play the more I rated him. Would love him at United for his leadership qualities his defence attributes both in midfield and defensively bet he’d be brilliant for us so hopefully we sign him.
You just said it was 'a bit random'. Still, I think it's revealing this was the total sum of your contribution here in the player performance thread. Why can't you just be objective when he has a good game?
Be objective? I said he was decent last night if you read my posts so don’t be going making up stuff now. He was a mixed bag ranging from really good to poor last night but as the game went on he grew better into it. But watching him try to build play from the back is reminiscent of Henderson at Liverpool and that’s not for me. So you can stop your little posting spree to me because I don’t agree that Herrera is good enough to be here first 11 long term? Yet how many managers has he been through now and never cemented a place in the 11 in a midfield that’s been toiling during his time here. Yes I see what you mean I must be the mad one with the crazy opinions on here. How many more managers can be wrong on him.
No, it is possible to say a player played well without criticising him. Just take a moment and look through your posts on him. It's hilarious reading. Show me a wholly positive post.
Did he not win player of the year last year? Granted given the form of our team that isn’t saying much but for spells he was great last year. He was great under Bielsa.
We shall see I guess, I personally wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start, but I hope he will.
I'm as pessimistic as they come in regards to United but, like @GazTheLegend said, I took it as a compliment, too. I'm 99% sure he'll start against Spurs and the substitute was in order to keep him fresh for it.
