Footwork is fine and if 'so what' is your answer for a save at 0-0 because of previous mistakes, that's called an agenda....
Onana might not be the guy but let's not make this something it isn't.
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Footwork is fine and if 'so what' is your answer for a save at 0-0 because of previous mistakes, that's called an agenda....
Onana might not be the guy but let's not make this something it isn't.
So which save was it?
BBC and goal stats show Palace had 3 shots on target, 2 went in, equals 1 save.
Yeah but unlike City, we’ll persist with the obvious mistake
His footwork and positioning is absolutely not fine. Getting caught by that header is poor. He dives from the same spot and under it.
I already said great save, my post is about being critical of his fundamentals and inconsistency, something I don't think many would argue against. I'm not painting him to be anything else but based on what we've seen. Seems like you have an agenda to make him something he isn't i.e not blameless, not below par and not beyond improvement. Unless you're content with one great save and happy to ignore everything else. It's not just about his performance in this game, it's the whole season. He was good to great for us in early Amorim games but he's also had shocker mistakes...making him inconsistent.
He's an absolutely feckin' shit goalkeeper. A decent save here or debating whether that was a mistake there won't change that
I'm with @Litch here, honestly. It feels as though people are just looking for Onana to be at fault for literally every goal we concede now because he's had a shaky period of form again, whilst every save he does make is batted away with "well any decent keeper saves that anyway".
I don't think he did anything massively wrong on either goal really but the fact that people are calling him into question for the second, a two-on-one scenario where you are essentially at the mercy of your opponent fecking it up, is laughable.
I don't think he did anything massively wrong on either goal really but the fact that people are calling him into question for the second, a two-on-one scenario where you are essentially at the mercy of your opponent fecking it up, is laughable.
I think it's precisely the opposite. Because so many games are practically golden goal now since we can't stick the fecking ball in the net, it's actually being overplayed how much Onana is costing us because we're often left needing a clean sheet to pick up any points at all.
None of this is to say Onana hasn't had his howlers, by the way. The Brighton game in particular was dreadful, and I'm perfectly fine with Bayindir getting a run in the side even now.
He is the worst keeper I can remember since Taibi. If we weren’t such a shit show in so many other positions I’d be showing him the door. Would rather play Bayindir, Heaton or even Harrison.
Doesn't fill me with confidence and neither does Bayindir. I understand the risks, but I'd still take a punt on Vitek next season.
Still baffling that we thought he was worth the £50m upgrade on DDG. For me, he ranks amongst our worst transfers, also crazy that EtH thought he was good enough.
Still baffling that we thought he was worth the £50m upgrade on DDG. For me, he ranks amongst our worst transfers, also crazy that EtH thought he was good enough.
That sums up his play for us. Unreal take.
I can’t see us buying a GK this summer as I think we will spend our £££ on forwards/midfielders, but the sooner Onana is gone the better.
Should have just kept Henderson or Kovar. We'd be no worse on the pitch but better financially.
He’s absolutely awful and upgrading him has to be our number 1 priority. More so than any other position. It doesn’t matter how many left backs or strikers we sign, we’re never gonna go anywhere with this joke in goal
One on One save.....
100% agree. A large number of fans dont like Onana because he replaced DDG and his first impression was that he was terrible in the CL. He was written off and called shit from that point on and cant do anything right for those people anymore.
Onana was good at the beginning of the season and hardly anyone mentioned it. Now when he doesnt stop a 2v1 on the goalkeeper, he is questioned.
Onana isnt the best goalkeeper in the world, far from it but there is a clear agenda by some posters when they post in this topic.
I think some of the criticism is fair. The big issue I have with Onana is that he seems to lose focus, and that's no small issue for a goalkeeper either. The fact that he cocks up some pretty easy saves/claims because he seems to just switch off is a real problem, even if I think it's a bit mental that there are people in here who genuinely think replacing him should be "our number one priority" when we have no attacking presence out wide and strikers who would probably struggle to make the Southampton side.
There are some criticisms, though, which are a bit ridiculous. Chief amongst those is the idea people have got in their heads that he's "really bad on the ball", and even "no better than De Gea" in that respect. This is obviously utter nonsense and stems from the ludicrous expectation that he should be finding our forward line with long passes on the regular when we have precisely one attacker who is any good in the air (Zirzkee), and he seldom plays because he's lacking in so many areas. Onana's a fairly obvious upgrade on De Gea on the ball, and although he still makes the occasional error (every keeper does), opponents no longer see him as a viable pressing trap because unlike De Gea he doesn't completely freak out any time he's put under pressure on the ball.
Its a matter of opinion and everyone is talking like he let the goal in. We see this happen season in, season out and I've never seen a keeper criticised for a shot coming off a bar? Its like criticising a keeper for a shot coming off a post, and scoring the rebound...it's absolute nonsense.
He has had some poor moments but equally some good ones which I think its pretty much all the keepers in the league at the mo. Have a look at other teams, keepers are struggling throughout, he's not alone.
Can we get better, maybe but the idea of just jumping in here when we lose blaming him for looping header of the bar, beggars belief. I guarantee if he tips over a shot that wasn't going in, and they score from the corner, the criticising would be the same....
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Don't mean to labour my own point but I think it is because we're so shit going forward that any goal we concede is nearly guaranteed to cost us points that the defence and keeper are getting more stick than they're probably due.
Onana's had his clangers this season but to suggest he's "the number one priority to replace this summer" in a side that has scored three more goals than 18th placed Leicester City, whose striking options are 38-year old Jamie Vardy and Jordan Ayew, is somewhat mental to me.
How are people blaming him for either goal? We were crap but he had a standard game for a keeper.
I watched a interview between Rio and VDS. VDS was extremely complimentary of him but from memory he also spoke about Onana's inability at times to remain focused and concentrate. The lapses in concentration is proving costly.
I think the kicking has been indifferent but equally our movement is generally really poor and easy to read cause we are so static, and we have players that make good passes look like poor ones...
There are better keepers out there but playing behind this team currently isn't easy irrespective of who would be in the net.....
He has a mistake in him but he is the least of our concerns.
As a fanbase we have been spoiled by having had prime de gea and now we expect goalkeepers to not only be perfectly consistant in performance, but also make saves they have no right to be saving.
As a fanbase we have been spoiled by having had prime de gea and now we expect goalkeepers to not only be perfectly consistant in performance, but also make saves they have no right to be saving.
We all understand that $hit happens, but I wish we had a keeper who could make saveable saves. There's nothing Onana could have done about the second goal, but he was partially at fault for the first goal.
But others have correctly pointed out that Onana is not among the most serious deficiencies in the squad. But can we not all agree that we screwed ourselves by letting Henderson leave while shoveled 48m into the furnace when we brought in Onana? What ETH did to the squad with his moronic buys is something Scotland Yard or Interpol should start looking into.
But others have correctly pointed out that Onana is not among the most serious deficiencies in the squad. But can we not all agree that we screwed ourselves by letting Henderson leave while shoveled 48m into the furnace when we brought in Onana? What ETH did to the squad with his moronic buys is something Scotland Yard or Interpol should start looking into.
Still would like to see Bayindir given a run of games but today he's not at fault or some cause. Henderson was given a huge amount of stick and lacked trust, he'd be getting slated now. The infamous Salah vs Henderson goal was today Onana facing two Palace players ahead of our whole team.
Out team is essentially picked off today while we face a wall of players and high amount of blocked shots and Henderson was able to produce a solid display with Palace closing off so much to narrow the angles for our shots. Our xG was very low.
The first goal Yoro is badly caught out trying to jump and the Palace player behind him heads the ball in onto the bar and the rebound is scored. Onana can not claim that ball in and this type of goal we concede quite a lot this season, it's defenders not back far enough and easily getting jumped for looping headers leading to goals. Teams easily isolate our defenders even on a free kick like their first goals was, we pushed up too far, they just angled a ball to the edge of the box and ran to meet it, all our defenders we're caught out backpedaling. We've been terrible on corners. Freekicks outside the box often leads to goals, and we've had so many letoffs through bad defending on freekicks.
Out team is essentially picked off today while we face a wall of players and high amount of blocked shots and Henderson was able to produce a solid display with Palace closing off so much to narrow the angles for our shots. Our xG was very low.
The first goal Yoro is badly caught out trying to jump and the Palace player behind him heads the ball in onto the bar and the rebound is scored. Onana can not claim that ball in and this type of goal we concede quite a lot this season, it's defenders not back far enough and easily getting jumped for looping headers leading to goals. Teams easily isolate our defenders even on a free kick like their first goals was, we pushed up too far, they just angled a ball to the edge of the box and ran to meet it, all our defenders we're caught out backpedaling. We've been terrible on corners. Freekicks outside the box often leads to goals, and we've had so many letoffs through bad defending on freekicks.
I thought he was meant to be good with his feet - he’s fecking tragic. Not once have I seen him pick a pass and think to myself that this is what we’ve signed him for. fecking calamity.
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You're being disingenuous here by comparing this situation with other examples where a shot has come off a bar and you're also very generous in alleviating any responsibility or expectation from him.
This wasn't a powerful shot from near/far, deflected or something he was unsighted with i.e all situations where you could reasonably expect a keeper to do worse. He saw it all the way and got caught under the ball, in the middle of the goal directly above him.
If he tips the shot over the bar and then concedes from the corner because he was stuck on the line then yes, you should still be criticising him. What a low bar to think that a keeper can make a save and then think he's good for the rest of the game. Same goes with other players. One good pass, defensive action or goal isn't good enough.
The manager is a slow learner, so let's get used to it
Hope Amorim undoes Ten Hag’s mistake. Been saying for ages that Onana isn’t good enough
It's Monday morning and I can't be arsed at work.
The Onana mistakes compendium
The Howlers
Bayern 4 - 3 - Man Utd (09/23) - His first proper howler as he lets a really tame shot from Sane squirm under him.
Man Utd 2 - 3 Galatasaray (10/23) - Passes the ball straight to a Galatasary player who runs through and gets hacked down by Case. We're down to 10-men and the Pen is missed, but they go on to win anyway.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Brentford (10/23) - Let's a tame, pea-roller from Jensen squrim under his hand and into the middle of the goal. Poppadom wrists stuff.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - Judges Ziyech's first fee kick all wrong and basically dives out of the way of a low shot that ends up going into the middle of the net.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - To redeem himself, he at least gets in the way of Ziyech's second free kick but just throws the ball into the net instead.
Man Utd 4 - 2 Sheffield United (04/24) - Passes the ball straight to Bogle who scores
Man Utd 1 - 1 Burnley (04/04) - Punches Amdouni in the head to concede a last minute pen - which they score.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Man City (05/24) - We don't really talk about it because we won the Cup Final, but letting in that shot from Doku was a shocker
Man Utd 2 - 3 Forest (12/24) - Inexpicibily lets a straight shot from Gibbs-White straight into the middle of the goal
Plzen 1 - 2 Man Utd (12/24) - Passes the ball straight to one of their players who squares it to Vydra for a tap in
Wolves 2 - 0 Man Utd (12/24) - Concedes straight from a corner from Cunha
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brighton (01/25) - Possibly his worst ever one, spilling a routine cross collection at the feet of Rutter who puts it in.
Bonus Content - Not mistakes as such, but a couple of the classic "You feel like he could have done something better there" Onana moments
Man Utd 3 - 2 Forest (09/23) - Awoniyi races through on goal and Onana basically just sits down in the middle of his net and lets him walk it in. Rubbish.
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brigton (09/23) - His positioning on the first goal is a bit shit, but I'll let that slide - the 3rd goal from Pedro though, is at a very saveable height and not in the corner, he actually gets two hands on it but 'cos his spring is rubbish he just palms it in.
Man Utd 0 - 1 Bayern (12/23) - Coman is 8 yards out and is 95% going to score, but Onana just basically stands on his line and makes sure it's 100%.
Man Utd 3 - 2 Aston Villa (12/23) - Doesn't anticipate or really do anything to stop a McGinn free kick go straight in. Tricky because there's players in front of him but a keeper with top class reactions does something at least.
Chelsea 4 - 3 Man Utd (04/24) - A bit unsighted, but he lets a low Gallagher shot under his hand.
Palace 4 - 0 Man Utd (05/24) - A pretty central, but strong shot from Olise beats him.
And there are still some more debatable ones I've let out (Like the one this weekend, his weird positioning for Salah's goal at OT or for FC Twente's goal at OT this season).
Alll of this in a season and a half, it's beyond a joke that this bloke is our number one goalkeeper.
The Onana mistakes compendium
The Howlers
Bayern 4 - 3 - Man Utd (09/23) - His first proper howler as he lets a really tame shot from Sane squirm under him.
Man Utd 2 - 3 Galatasaray (10/23) - Passes the ball straight to a Galatasary player who runs through and gets hacked down by Case. We're down to 10-men and the Pen is missed, but they go on to win anyway.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Brentford (10/23) - Let's a tame, pea-roller from Jensen squrim under his hand and into the middle of the goal. Poppadom wrists stuff.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - Judges Ziyech's first fee kick all wrong and basically dives out of the way of a low shot that ends up going into the middle of the net.
Galatasaray 3 - 3 - Man Utd (11/23) - To redeem himself, he at least gets in the way of Ziyech's second free kick but just throws the ball into the net instead.
Man Utd 4 - 2 Sheffield United (04/24) - Passes the ball straight to Bogle who scores
Man Utd 1 - 1 Burnley (04/04) - Punches Amdouni in the head to concede a last minute pen - which they score.
Man Utd 2 - 1 Man City (05/24) - We don't really talk about it because we won the Cup Final, but letting in that shot from Doku was a shocker
Man Utd 2 - 3 Forest (12/24) - Inexpicibily lets a straight shot from Gibbs-White straight into the middle of the goal
Plzen 1 - 2 Man Utd (12/24) - Passes the ball straight to one of their players who squares it to Vydra for a tap in
Wolves 2 - 0 Man Utd (12/24) - Concedes straight from a corner from Cunha
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brighton (01/25) - Possibly his worst ever one, spilling a routine cross collection at the feet of Rutter who puts it in.
Bonus Content - Not mistakes as such, but a couple of the classic "You feel like he could have done something better there" Onana moments
Man Utd 3 - 2 Forest (09/23) - Awoniyi races through on goal and Onana basically just sits down in the middle of his net and lets him walk it in. Rubbish.
Man Utd 1 - 3 Brigton (09/23) - His positioning on the first goal is a bit shit, but I'll let that slide - the 3rd goal from Pedro though, is at a very saveable height and not in the corner, he actually gets two hands on it but 'cos his spring is rubbish he just palms it in.
Man Utd 0 - 1 Bayern (12/23) - Coman is 8 yards out and is 95% going to score, but Onana just basically stands on his line and makes sure it's 100%.
Man Utd 3 - 2 Aston Villa (12/23) - Doesn't anticipate or really do anything to stop a McGinn free kick go straight in. Tricky because there's players in front of him but a keeper with top class reactions does something at least.
Chelsea 4 - 3 Man Utd (04/24) - A bit unsighted, but he lets a low Gallagher shot under his hand.
Palace 4 - 0 Man Utd (05/24) - A pretty central, but strong shot from Olise beats him.
And there are still some more debatable ones I've let out (Like the one this weekend, his weird positioning for Salah's goal at OT or for FC Twente's goal at OT this season).
Alll of this in a season and a half, it's beyond a joke that this bloke is our number one goalkeeper.
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Agrees.
I could see that GK will be a priority in 2026 summer.
We had a poster on here from Cameroon who warned us about all this a year before he joined.
Not that I blame him for yesterday, I just don't think he's good enough. He doesn't seem natural as a goalkeeper which is bizarre in itself
Not that I blame him for yesterday, I just don't think he's good enough. He doesn't seem natural as a goalkeeper which is bizarre in itself
I was watching Harrison in the warm ups and he pulled off some great saves. Obviously just a small sample size plus what I have read about him but would be handy if we could upgrade internally.
it's really as if our scouts only followed him for one season only and only in his European campaign with Inter
Strange use of the term disingenuous but there you go. I'm not alleviating any responsibility or expectation from him. This is a fan forum and not a HR staff capability report?
Just a fan with a different view to your own and there are people better qualified than me and you about goalkeeping, to then be able to use the term disingenuous in the right context about fans view of Onana.
Like said numerous times, never said he was good enough, just criticism for something that doesn't merit it, is a little 'low bar'.....
The goalkeepers are fine for now, strikers have to be a priority
He's the Fred of keepers. Has some great moments, some moments that make one think he's fecking high, and is just as likely to do something for us as for the other team.
Such an effing shame that our recruitment has been so tragic during the post-Ferguson era. I agree that Onana isn’t the eyes of our problems, but he’s a basket case between the goalposts. The calamitous errors and the wayward passing…there’s just no argument in his favor whatsoever other than we cannot afford to upgrade on him.
We still have a clause for Kovar right? Couldn't be worse than this guy for sure.
Jesus i dont rate Onana at all but he wasnt tob lame for those goals Maguire is at fault for both them for ball watching
Maguire? Hmm...