André Onana (Out)

Red Shorts said:
I would take the majority of starting GKs in the prem currently over him. I'm not his biggest fan but Henderson has more to offer than he does, and in hindsight would have worked if he held on just a bit longer.
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We got a decent fee for Henderson that we needed at the time and he wasnt cutting the mustard while he was here, spending what we got for his was the problem.
 
Big Andy said:
I'd honestly go for Schmeichel for a couple of years. Would walk here if we wanted him, would be cheap, and is still a decent keeper.
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I liked Kasper in his early 30's and would have been happy for him to come in and replace De Gea after the latter started to drop right off, but Schmeichel himself had started to decline quite a lot in his last year or two at Leicester. That was three years ago so I presume he's declined further since then.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That Napoli keeper is out of contract, snap him up and be done with it.
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Meret? I'm pretty sure his agent came out last month saying they've agreed a new deal.

I think he's decent though, but not for the long term
 
I know people are traumatised by Onana but the Newcastle game laid bare that we cannot just completely ignore a keeper's ability on the ball and go back to a De Gea situation as some are proposing.

I'm not saying we need our new signing to be at Ederson's level of distribution but they do need to be comfortable on the ball when put under pressure (which, for all his flaws, is still one of Onana's strengths) because the way we want to play under Amorim will require that the keeper is a viable passing option.
 
Lay said:
Meret? I'm pretty sure his agent came out last month saying they've agreed a new deal.

I think he's decent though, but not for the long term
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I don't think he's signed anything yet? Likely shopping around and will commit but the point is who is cheap and a senior GK?
 
Apokalips said:
There's a reason Newcastle are looking to upgrade. Why do so many fans want random shite like Pope and Ramsdale, replacing Onana with another average keeper is a waste of money. We'd be in the same place in 12 months.
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Ramsdale in particular is an extraordinarily fecking strange suggestion. I'm probably in the vast minority but if the options are sticking with Onana or replacing him with Ramsdale I'd go with the former.

Why on Earth anyone would want to sign Ramsdale when the main issue with Onana is his proneness to brainfarts is beyond me. Ramsdale is just as bad for that - it's, like, the entire reason Arsenal got rid of him so quickly.
 
T00lsh3d said:
I’ll be genuinely impressed if we manage to find a downgrade. He’s arguably the worst keeper in the premier league
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Technically ETH did manage it by signing Bayindir a couple weeks after Onana... (while letting Kovar and Vittek go)

So this clown rocked up to Carrington with his agent right before the Lyon 1st leg asking for a payrise? Christ on a bike
 
Big Ben Foster said:
If we keep him we're incurring £9m in amortization and £10m in wages in the next financial period. You need to net that out against the remaining book value to get the actual breakeven figure.

In reality it's more like £7m to break even for PSR purposes.
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We'll also no doubt have to pay him out on a percentage of wages too because no one else will pay him what he gets here.
 
Giggsy13 said:
I love the fact we’re so desperate for a new keeper, we don’t even bother naming them. Anyone is better!
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At least we’re not quite at the stage of naming inanimate objects that we’d prefer in goal yet. Although another stinker on Thursday could swing it
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I don't think he's signed anything yet? Likely shopping around and will commit but the point is who is cheap and a senior GK?
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Yeah not signed, so anything can happen but his agent said a 2 year deal with an option was agreed.

I can't think of any cheap senior goalkeepers. I wish we pounced on Mamadashvilli from Valencia before Liverpool did.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
But if we kept him for the remainder of his contract it's all PSR loss anyway
Selling him would be a partial improvement to PSR overall
I don't see why everyone thinks a player can only be sold for profit/break even.
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If we kept him for the length of his contract then his contribution to PSR is spread equally over each year. Whereas if we sell him for a loss then that entire loss goes in the books that season. So depending on the figures, selling him for a loss could potentially give us a smaller transfer kitty next season than keeping him would. But then he'd be completely off the books so we'd obviously be better off the following seasons.

Of course wages also have to be added. If he stays then his entire wage has to be included. If he goes and if we have to pay off some of his wages to get him to leave then those would have to be added, but it wouldn't be his full wage. And of course we would also have to add the wages of his replacement.
 
MaMa given red said:
He will be hard to shift from a PSR point of view.

His book value is £30 million, so anything less than that will be a loss.
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Based on what? He cost 45 mil INCLUDING add ons. 5 year contract. Amortarisation across 5 years means he's at most 26 mil.
 
Leftback99 said:
We'll also no doubt have to pay him out on a percentage of wages too because no one else will pay him what he gets here.
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Yes that's true, so we probably won't capture the entirety of the wage savings, but regardless it'll be less than the previously quoted £26m to break even on next year's books.
 
Honestly I don’t want to hear any more bollocks about needing a ball playing keeper as it’s far more important to have a keeper who can do the fecking basics with his hands, how many times in the last few years have we seen us concede or lose matches due to playing out from the keeper or basic handling errors ?

I get it if you’re City before this season, Bayern or PSG or one of Barca or Real so in a position of power and can look at finishing touches in ball playing keepers but we are NOT at that level and need to stop fecking kidding ourselves that we are and need to build a solid foundation before thinking of expansive football with a ball playing keeper.

If when the ball goes back to the keeper he kicks in long rather than playing ourselves into trouble then I’m happy with not conceding from a misplaced pass or handling error, let’s just bring someone in who can be dominant in the area and good at shot stopping which will bring calmness to the defence due to not being scared of what will happen with the keeper.

We don’t have a massive pot of money due to years of horrific mismanagement money wise so we’d have to look at solid yet not overly expensive options like bringing back De Gea or Kovar or maybe Meret ? A striker or two if we move Hojlund on, a keeper, a left sided 10, a right wing back and an Eriksen replacement are our priorities.
 
MadDogg said:
I liked Kasper in his early 30's and would have been happy for him to come in and replace De Gea after the latter started to drop right off, but Schmeichel himself had started to decline quite a lot in his last year or two at Leicester. That was three years ago so I presume he's declined further since then.
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feck, I'd take Peter Schmeichel over him!!!
 
Great another fire to put out!

Onana would never be a no.2 and if United replace him with a new no.1 then Bayindir might decide it’s time to move on as well.

Could easily see United needing 2 new keepers in the summer.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
But if we kept him for the remainder of his contract it's all PSR loss anyway
Selling him would be a partial improvement to PSR overall
I don't see why everyone thinks a player can only be sold for profit/break even.
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PSR is looking at your accounts on an annual basis though, if we kept him for the remainder of his contract we're spreading the expense across 3 years.

Let's say his book value is £27m in the summer. And he has 3 years left on his contract. We can either keep him and incurr an expense of £9m for the next year.

Or we sell him for say £10m, we'd incurr a £17m expense for next year because that's the loss we've made on his book value.

Sure you save on Onana's wages but the keeper you bring in to replace him will have wages. The point being, if you sell your goalkeeper and bring in a new one, you then have the amortisation of the new keepers transfer fee plus the £17m loss you just made on Onana, all incurred in one year's accounts.

It's not as simple as you can never sell at a loss, but you can't make a habit of making big losses on players book value.

If we can get a decent keeper on a free or a small fee that might solve a lot of our problems. And maybe we can convince some sucker to overpay for Onana so we only make a small loss instead of a big one.
 
Dominos said:
PSR is looking at your accounts on an annual basis though, if we kept him for the remainder of his contract we're spreading the expense across 3 years.

Let's say his book value is £27m in the summer. And he has 3 years left on his contract. We can either keep him and incurr an expense of £9m for the next year.

Or we sell him for say £10m, we'd incurr a £17m expense for next year because that's the loss we've made on his book value.

Sure you save on Onana's wages but the keeper you bring in to replace him will have wages. The point being, if you sell your goalkeeper and bring in a new one, you then have the amortisation of the new keepers transfer fee plus the £17m loss you just made on Onana, all incurred in one year's accounts.

It's not as simple as you can never sell at a loss, but you can't make a habit of making big losses on players book value.

If we can get a decent keeper on a free or a small fee that might solve a lot of our problems. And maybe we can convince some sucker to overpay for Onana so we only make a small loss instead of a big one.
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We're going to sign a new keeper this summer regardless, so I don't think their amortization + wages are really relevant in this case.
 
In this day and age keepers are one of the easier posts to adequately replace.

Almost every decent and half decent club in Europe have it sorted out, many doubly so with a capable backup at hand.
 
Before we signed Bayindir , we were linked with a GK who choose not to sign for us as he wanted to be a number 1 . He went to some other club if anyone can think of his name and if so how has he performed since ?
 
Red00012 said:
Before we signed Bayindir , we were linked with a GK who choose not to sign for us as he wanted to be a number 1 . He went to some other club if anyone can think of his name and if so how has he performed since ?
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Suzuki
 
RuudTom83 said:
Great another fire to put out!

Onana would never be a no.2 and if United replace him with a new no.1 then Bayindir might decide it’s time to move on as well.

Could easily see United needing 2 new keepers in the summer.
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United will be buying a new keeper this summer to replace him. Onana best agree to move on, otherwise he will be no 2 or 3. Up to him. Move or don’t play.

Bayindir should definitely move on. He’s wasting his career here and at a good age where he should be pushing for no 1 somewhere.

Ideally we buy two keepers this summer.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
United will be buying a new keeper this summer to replace him. Onana best agree to move on, otherwise he will be no 2 or 3. Up to him. Move or don’t play.

Bayindir should definitely move on. He’s wasting his career here and at a good age where he should be pushing for no 1 somewhere.

Ideally we buy two keepers this summer.
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I don't think we need to buy 2 keepers even if both Onana and Bayindir are both moved out. We could give Vitek a chance when he returns from loan, as the no 2. I know it's only the Austrian league, but the news coming out of there about his performances has been very positive.
 
HJ12 said:
I don't think we need to buy 2 keepers even if both Onana and Bayindir are both moved out. We could give Vitek a chance when he returns from loan, as the no 2. I know it's only the Austrian league, but the news coming out of there about his performances has been very positive.
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Fair point. I’ve seen some good reports. Would be good to give him the opportunity as no 2.
 
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