Red Dreams
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Remember Martial wanting to play as #9 when he joined us.
Preferred for a reason, not out of some sort of weird bias.. If he was the better choice he'd be playing. The fact that he's not speaks volumes.Rashford is clearly preferred. Although, if he persists with the diamond, there's room for both.
Yeah that’s bollocks. There’s nothing calculated or economical about Martial’s movement.Martial does run but he runs in a different way. A more economical calculated way. Running is not important upfront otherwise Rashford is the best striker in the world already. If you run in a intelligent way you'll be running less.
Sorry but . I'm sure you yourself don't believe this.Martial does run but he runs in a different way. A more economical calculated way. Running is not important upfront otherwise Rashford is the best striker in the world already. If you run in a intelligent way you'll be running less.
For me, Martial has better hold up and link up play than Rashford. He doesn't sprint around like headless chicken, but his movement in and around the box is excellent. I won't even start on the difference in finishing ability.Preferred for a reason, not out of some sort of weird bias.. If he was the better choice he'd be playing. The fact that he's not speaks volumes.
But who knows what this season will bring.
If he excelled at the Mata role then I would be elated. He might have to run more than 5km a game though and also be very competent at the role. Otherwise he will be gone.Martial likes the ball at his feet to get others in to play.
That's why he isn't good at making off the ball runs.
You play him in the centre as a pivot - you get a guy who will position himself to get the ball to feet and make short passes in to players around him before he makes the right run in to space.
If he could improve his dribbling, Rashford could be a player rotating for the right wing, he has a decent cross on him and is a tireless runner. The problem is he insists on becoming a striker but has displayed none of the qualities to succeed there so far.For me, Martial has better hold up and link up play than Rashford. He doesn't sprint around like headless chicken, but his movement in and around the box is excellent. I won't even start on the difference in finishing ability.
I'm actually not really sure what area of Rashford's game suits being a striker. His style is the style of a winger.
Going to try that at work. Sorry boss, I am just working in a more calculated, economical way.Sorry but . I'm sure you yourself don't believe this.
Rashford has the ability to play like a forward like David Villa did for Barcelona.If he could improve his dribbling, Rashford could be a player rotating for the right wing, he has a decent cross on him and is a tireless runner. The problem is he insists on becoming a striker but has displayed none of the qualities to succeed there so far.
.....He's also been terrible on the right wing the few times he was tried there, same for Martial.
James who?How the feck is this being discussed He's performed fecking shite and a long away from a run up top. This is Manchester United not a merry go round for unearned strikers to have a go up top.
If we're ridding Lukaku I'd rather replace with established quality up top. Having a core of young talent is fine, and we have potentially with James and Rashford. The final cog would need to be someone who scores goals for fun in the league they're coming from and puts his all on the pitch.
He probably refers to Daniel James.James who?
We could have said the same thing about Rashford when he was dribbling the ball out of play on the wing. Why is Rashford allowed a chance up-front but Martial is not?How the feck is this being discussed He's performed fecking shite and a long away from a run up top. This is Manchester United not a merry go round for unearned strikers to have a go up top.
If we're ridding Lukaku I'd rather replace with established quality up top. Having a core of young talent is fine, and we have potentially with James and Rashford. The final cog would need to be someone who scores goals for fun in the league they're coming from and puts his all on the pitch.
Worse is some of these guys want to give Lukaku more chances when he doesn't blend on to a single player at the club in the way they play.We could have said the same thing about Rashford when he was dribbling the ball out of play on the wing. Why is Rashford allowed a chance up-front but Martial is not?
It's being discussed because our attack currently is shite.Oh I forgot, ones a 'local lad' and the other a 'moody Frenchman'. Get out of here with the nepotism.
If we're trying to build a fluid attack, the one attacker we have who is the most comfortable with the ball at his feet, can go either way, can bring others into play and is the best finisher is the one who is actually never played up-front.Worse is some of these guys want to give Lukaku more chances when he doesn't blend on to a single player at the club in the way they play.
I was against Rashford being put up top - he's better in space out on the wing and leveraging his pace than he is with his back to goal. The runs in behind aren't worth it because he's ultimately just a kick and rush footballer. And I do agree that he's given preferential treatment.We could have said the same thing about Rashford when he was dribbling the ball out of play on the wing. Why is Rashford allowed a chance up-front but Martial is not?
It's being discussed because our attack currently is shite.Oh I forgot, ones a 'local lad' and the other a 'moody Frenchman' .
Sorry but . I'm sure you yourself don't believe this.
Why not? His style is very smooth and yes very calculated- I don't see the other players making give and go and do a run in behind for eg. Just because he doesn't do blind running for the sake it is not meaning he refuses to make runs. Fans just wants to see headless chickens because "pashun" or some other crap.Yeah that’s bollocks. There’s nothing calculated or economical about Martial’s movement.
I agree with your opinion on Rashford. It's tricky as he even struggled out on the wing too as his dribbling wasn't good enough.I was against Rashford being put up top - he's better in space out on the wing and leveraging his pace than he is with his back to goal. The runs in behind aren't worth it because he's ultimately just a kick and rush footballer. And I do agree that he's given preferential treatment.
But that doesn't mean we should give Martial a punt because Rashford had a go. This isn't school football, or a "lets just throw young flashy players up top and see how it goes" sort of approach. It's time to right some wrongs and actually put an established forward up top for Manchester United.
That's a horrible way of sorting out football.I was against Rashford being put up top - he's better in space out on the wing and leveraging his pace than he is with his back to goal. The runs in behind aren't worth it because he's ultimately just a kick and rush footballer. And I do agree that he's given preferential treatment.
But that doesn't mean we should give Martial a punt because Rashford had a go. This isn't school football, or a "lets just throw young flashy players up top and see how it goes" sort of approach. It's time to right some wrongs and actually put an established forward up top for Manchester United.
He doesn't run at all whatever calculated or not. He's just standing there waiting for the ball to reach his feet and otherwise he's like a statue. That's why people think he's uninterested or invisible in certain games. It's not that he's uninterested, he's just a passenger whenever he doesn't have a ball.Why not? His style is very smooth and yes very calculated- I don't see the other players making give and go and do a run in behind for eg. Just because he doesn't do blind running for the sake it is not meaning he refuses to make runs. Fans just wants to see headless chickens because "pashun" or some other crap.
What you're describing is a preference. There's more than one way to play football. That's the whole point of playing Martial as false 9. So you can work around his strengths and weaknesses. That's what you're supposed to do.He doesn't run at all whatever calculated or not. He's just standing there waiting for the ball to reach his feet and otherwise he's like a statue. That's why people think he's uninterested or invisible in certain games. It's not that he's uninterested, he's just a passenger whenever he doesn't have a ball.
Technique won't take you far enough unless you're actually willing to run your socks off for the team. Sadly our team is filled with these kind of players and people throw these laughable excuses for them while I watch the rivals and see their players don't stop running, moving and pressing all the time then look at the statues we play with and know why we're 6th, because we don't the basics of the basics of football.
I honestly don't give a flying feck about his finishing or shooting in YouTube videos. I want to see my players pressing the hell out of the opposition and moving all the team inbetween and behind the defense. Unless we start having a team live that we'll keep being crap on the pitch while bringing the stats about "the most clinical finisher in the league" or "the best chance creator" and wonder why we're as shite. These are for Youtube videos and stats tweets.
Playing football has nothing to do with running, moving and pressing. This is the basics of the basics when it comes to football and all other teams have forwards who continuously do it. Gone are the days when strikers can be only poachers or goal scorers. Now all managers want their strikers to be continuously moving inbetween and behind defenders, linking up with their teammates and putting pressure on defense. The bold part is laughable.What you're describing is a preference. There's more than one way to play football. That's the whole point of playing Martial as false 9. So you can work around his strengths and weaknesses. That's what you're supposed to do.
Martial is our best striker, my eyes see it and the stats support it too.
Since when are all strikers supposed to run around like headless chickens? He's a striker. His strengths are an excellent technique, excellent dribbling, underrated link-up play and clinical finishing. His weaknesses are off-the ball movement and pressing. I'm sure that can be coached into him a bit more if he feels the full backing of his coach and team-mates but even that is not necessary attributes in a striker.
It's obvious. I don't see what the problem is.
But Martial isn't just a poacher or goal-scorer at all. He does move in between the defenders and he does easily link up with team-mates as his first touch is actually stable for one. For a striker his creativity is underrated, he provides for the other attackers plenty. The only thing he doesn't do is constantly put pressure on the defense but that is not necessary if he is played as false 9. To lump him in with Lukaku is laughable and it makes no sense.Playing football has nothing to do with running, moving and pressing. This is the basics of the basics when it comes to football and all other teams have forwards who continuously do it. Gone are the days when strikers can be only poachers or goal scorers. Now all managers want their strikers to be continuously moving inbetween and behind defenders, linking up with their teammates and putting pressure on defense. The bold part is laughable.
If you're not moving much you'll never bother the defenders and will be an easy target for them to stop which is ironically what happens to both Martial and Lukaku,
Why not? His style is very smooth and yes very calculated- I don't see the other players making give and go and do a run in behind for eg. Just because he doesn't do blind running for the sake it is not meaning he refuses to make runs. Fans just wants to see headless chickens because "pashun" or some other crap.
So he became the most clinical striker in PL and scored 5 goals in 7 match vs Top 6 without running? Wow that's really incredible.He doesn't run at all whatever calculated or not. He's just standing there waiting for the ball to reach his feet and otherwise he's like a statue. That's why people think he's uninterested or invisible in certain games. It's not that he's uninterested, he's just a passenger whenever he doesn't have a ball.
Technique won't take you far enough unless you're actually willing to run your socks off for the team. Sadly our team is filled with these kind of players and people throw these laughable excuses for them while I watch the rivals and see their players don't stop running, moving and pressing all the time then look at the statues we play with and know why we're 6th, because we don't the basics of the basics of football.
I honestly don't give a flying feck about his finishing or shooting in YouTube videos. I want to see my players pressing the hell out of the opposition and moving all the team inbetween and behind the defense. Unless we start having a team live that we'll keep being crap on the pitch while bringing the stats about "the most clinical finisher in the league" or "the best chance creator" and wonder why we're as shite. These are for Youtube videos and stats tweets.
He's doesn't move at all which is the reason some think he's uninterested, doesn't care or invisible etc. As I said it's not all these it's because off the ball he simply a passenger. His style is to receive the ball, dribble past defender and put the ball in the far corner. Otherwise he's a statue down there.But Martial isn't just a poacher or goal-scorer at all. He does move in between the defenders and he does easily link up with team-mates as his first touch is stable for one. For a striker his creativity is underrated, he provides for the other attackers plenty. The only thing he doesn't do is constantly put pressure on the defense but that is not necessary if he is played as false 9. To lump him in with Lukaku is laughable and it makes no sense.
I value technical skill over running any day.
Stop with this "most clinical" thing. This stat is probably done by dividing his goals by the chances he got. If the chances he got aren't much then of course he'll be the most clinical, and it'll cover the fact he doesn't get many chances because of his awful off ball movements which, if you're as interested in stats, it showed in several stats with him one of the bottom 5 laziest forwards in the league alongside Lukaku.So he became the most clinical striker in PL and scored 5 goals in 7 match vs Top 6 without running? Wow that's really incredible.
It's even more confusing to see him be compared against others players as if we haven't been lower energy team from defence to midfield to attack regardless of who is playing . City and Liverpool isn't even top of running charts. We're 6th not because we lack running- we lack clever technical players that uses their brain. God forbid we could possibly ask for one of the few that has demonstrated it to play at number 9.