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The board, and therefore the club, would look ridiculous if they sack someone who was appointed a few weeks ago and who hasn’t been able to buy one player yet.
They had a transfer window, though. Ole hasn't.Way too early to think about sacking Ole. I wanted Moyes and LvG gone after pre-season, and Maureen not too soon after, but we need to wait and see with Ole. Klopp and Pep changed the way their teams played within weeks after they joined and you could see the difference with the way they approached the game. It's been 4 months since Ole took over and the football is the still the same.
Give it 12-18 months and it'll be back to it mostly being the manager's fault again.So its the players now, but it was Ole during the winning run?
Klopp finished 8th? after taking over from Rodgers.Way too early to think about sacking Ole. I wanted Moyes and LvG gone after pre-season, and Maureen not too soon after, but we need to wait and see with Ole. Klopp and Pep changed the way their teams played within weeks after they joined and you could see the difference with the way they approached the game. It's been 4 months since Ole took over and the football is the still the same.
Sure, but if you're looking at the results from Ol'es full season,it will read something like P21, 44+ points (I am assuming we'll get atleast 6 points from these 4 games at the very least), that translates to more than 2 ppg and that translates to 80 points and this is without him having a pre-season, a transfer window and Dave in Godly formIt was once 100+ points in a 38 game season. We've lost 3 of the last five games though, and it is dropping drastically. We could be losing our whole remaining games the way we've been playing in weeks. Exactly the reason why you shouldn't give someone such a top job based on few 10s of good results especially with plently of underwhelming performances.
Over the past 5 summers, we've brought in ~25 first team players and transferred out ~25 first team players and we don't look much the wiser for it. We really have to stop believing in the restorative powers of a transfer window and realize that just churning our first team is not going to fix anything in isolation. Not saying you fall into this category, yours is just the latest post I've seen talking about this.They had a transfer window, though. Ole hasn't.
Not Klopp, but yea Pep had the summer window. Klopp had that Liverpool team playing his Dortmund type of pressing football within weeks.They had a transfer window, though. Ole hasn't.
.That is no excuse for losing 6 in 8 and getting consistently outplayed by every other team.
It was just a purple patch. They have returned to their true mean as a squad. The squad JM begged to upgrade via investment and was abused thoroughly for.Obviously last season's team was not the best ever runners-up, but the players showed what they can do as they did in our winning run not so long ago.
Klopp and Pep were both established as world class managers before taking up the reigns at their respective clubs, and even then, their impact regarding play style was palpable from the start.Klopp finished 8th? after taking over from Rodgers.
At Christmas in Peps first season there was talks of him leaving City and even retiring. It takes time for any manager taking over a club, especially one with a squad as disjointed as ours.
I disagree but where did they finish that season?Not Klopp, but yea Pep had the summer window. Klopp had that Liverpool team playing his Dortmund type of pressing football within weeks.
Talking about the football they played, not necessarily the results. Don't recall right now, but I think Klopp led them to 2 cup finals or something (losing both)Klopp finished 8th? after taking over from Rodgers.
At Christmas in Peps first season there was talks of him leaving City and even retiring. It takes time for any manager taking over a club, especially one with a squad as disjointed as ours.
Stop being naive. If you are a manager, would you take over Utd after JM? Every professinal think their career professionaly. The manager we have interest on, dont have interest on us, this is the reality people need to live with.And how do you know he was the only one? Did the board tell you this?
Klopp finished with 2 cup final appearances I think (not sure), but both managers had their teams playing good football within weeks. We are getting neither at this stage. No results or good football.I disagree but where did they finish that season?
So no professional manager in the world would come to us after JM? Are you feeling ok?Stop being naive. If you are a manager, would you take over Utd after JM? Every professinal think their career professionaly. The manager we have interest on, dont have interest on us, this is the reality people need to live with.
Knee jerk at its finest!Ed should bite the bullet and sack him now in order to save him the trouble of doing so in November. 6 defeats in 8 is unprecedented in it's awfulness. It's becoming increasingly clear that he hasn't got a clue how to turn the tide. United need a new manager and staff with a clear vision how to play progressive football.
A few months later and it's like Mourinho never left:
You cannot create a magical defender out of thin air can you? who do you think in this squad can be a decent defender? we need to bring in one and untill the transfer window is open Ole has to deal with this dross. You can clearly see no amount of coaching can make these players play any better!Still faffing about with the defense (is he really the man to shore up this defense?)
and what formation would you like us to play? We have an extremely unbalanced squad. No formation can solve that unless we have a major overhaul!Still playing the same formation
The entire squad barring a few are deadwood so what players should play then? academy players? yeah right one bad game and thier entire history will be humiliated by fans like you!Still willing to give the deadwood more chances
Ole played him as a striker too but he is way to inconsistent to be our main striker at this point! and its not like he is playing as a out and out winger!Still shunting Rashford to the wing
I agree with you on this one, this was misguided. However i believe ole wanted to rotate to keep the midfield fresh for the midweek game!Still putting Matic straight back into the team
I think he is just stating the obvious. We all see these players doing feck all in the games. What would you like ole to do? throw his arm around these spoilt brats and cajole them to play for him?Still calling out the players in the press
Dont we all do that? the whole 'united way' is a reference to our past isnt it? You could say its the past but its all about the history and heritage of the club. The fundamentals of the this great club - 'Do not ever give up'. But none of the players seem to grasp that so if ole needs to beat that into thier pea brains then yeah do that i guess!Still talking about the past
Clutching at straws! Ole has been the most positive amongst all the of managers since SAF! stating the obvious doesn't make him a negative person. He has been quite positive in the whole wake of disastrous results!Still negative
I don't necessarily advocate getting rid of Ole, but I'd much rather the board stuck their neck out and looked ridiculous by sacking him and admitting they made a mistake (if they felt like that was the best course of action) instead of sticking with him out of some misguided sense of being principled. Real Madrid have looked ridiculous when sacking some previous managers but they ultimately tend to still win stuff.The board, and therefore the club, would look ridiculous if they sack someone who was appointed a few weeks ago and who hasn’t been able to buy one player yet.
Thats the issue now, if we don't remove Ole and bring in a Director of Football and a manager who know what they are doing, we are leaving it to the man who is the most responsible for current squad (Woodward) and Ole whose only real experience of top level transfers was at Cardiff which was a disaster!Agreed, it was a mistake to appoint Ole. It would be a bold move of Ed to remove him now though, and I just can’t see it happening.
Will Ed really trust him with a £200m kitty? I wouldn’t.
I was referring to fitness not tempo, which is different.Considering the lack of tempo in our game under LVG and that we hardly ever outran the opposition during Jose's time, I'd say OGS has a point here
And Ole doesn’t?I guess people are now understanding the Amadaeus assessment that I was ridiculed for in the Ole thread .
It is not too late to sack him now, it will show conviction from our board for success. However, if his replacement is not Pochettino or maybe someone like Erik ten Hag, he deserve at least one season to buy his own players and implement his philosophy. Maybe get us back to how we were during honeymoon period.
I m sure those managers would have gotten this Ajax side to the semi finals of the champions league and playing such good football too. Some people may want to underrated what Erik ten Hag has done at Ajax, but I m sure their fans are enjoying the football they are playing and the directions the club is heading. With regards to his tactical mistakes, I don’t follow the Netherlands league to know enough about what went wrong in those games, but in the champions league, he has done great tactical.It’s not a good article imo, and while Edwin being the mastermind behind Ajax makes for a good image, the reality is that he’s merely one of the many factors responsible for the current succes of Ajax. Rather have him than Woodward though, but that’s another discussion.
Talking about tactical mistakes... You know Ten Hag got trashed 6-2 at Feyenoord a couple of months ago right? Lost 0-3 away at PSV twice, last year and then again this season... Lost to AZ Alkmaar just a month ago, and while being the favourites Ajax might not even actually win the league this year. I’m not exaggerating when I say that someone like Schteve McClaren would probably be more likely to succeed at United than Erik ten Hag
What signs are there that Ole deserves to? New manager bounce is not a sign by the way. Do we want players that knows how to run, but not know how to put passes together or dictate the play? Or players that fit the United way that Ole hasn’t even produce since the honeymoon period, which was mostly down to the productivity of the players willingness to make Mourinho look bad.And Ole doesn’t?
Martial is fine in a higher tempo, his technique is good- his work ethic needs to be worked upon.I was referring to fitness not tempo, which is different.
However lets indulge ourselves in terms of tempo. Most of our players have been brought by managers who believed in a lower tempo. Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Martial, Lindelof and co feel comfortable in such style of football. The rest can't be expected to play SAF's tempo anymore. Smalling's and DDG's distribution of the ball is already horrible as it is. Imagine if you pressure them to be quicker, Jones will break, Young is too old to run for 90 minutes and Lingard, well, he's shite.
Which leads us back to square 1 ie we need a total clear out.
Sacking a manager less than a month after giving him a contract has to be one of the stupidest things ive ever heard. Not even Jose levels of toxicity would warrant that type of knee jerk decision.I don't necessarily advocate getting rid of Ole, but I'd much rather the board stuck their neck out and looked ridiculous by sacking him and admitting they made a mistake (if they felt like that was the best course of action) instead of sticking with him out of some misguided sense of being principled. Real Madrid have looked ridiculous when sacking some previous managers but they ultimately tend to still win stuff.
You keep saying should but you've got nothing to back it up. Facts show that Martial's best games came under LVG and Pogba's best games came at Juventus both playing a low tempo football. Don't take me wrong I am a big Pogba fan. However we can't deny reality.Martial is fine in a higher tempo, his technique is good- his work ethic needs to be worked upon.
Pogba is fine as well- he should be more involved in chance creation than being the receiver of the final pass, as in his pass should be the one that switches the tempo to a higher gear
Matic and Sanchesz- shouldn't be in the side- Sanchez is finished and Matic lacks agility to play at higher tempo
Lindelof is fine as well- Considering we increase our tempo in the final third only
Smalling shouldnt be the starting CB and Dave's distribution can definitely be worked upon. It was pretty decent in LVGs second season
yes but united still need to let a few players go and bring in new. it's a genuine shock when cty lose or even draw... nevermind losing 4:0Just want to leave this here
http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchest...er-after-manchester-citys-4-0-loss-at-everton