Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?

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Both need to be sold to fund the rebuild, in terms of cash flow to fund purchases as well as making room under FFP. With respect to Bruno, given his age and wage we’re running out of time to ever be able to recoup good money for him and we won’t ever win big while he’s a fixture in the side.
 

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So many of our squad in general should be moved on but if someone like PSG came in big for Rashford then he should be sold and if a Saudi club came in for Fernandes then he should also be moved on as we have more control in midfield when he isn’t there.

How bad are things at Chelsea in regards to FFP/PSR ? If we could hypothetically move Rashford on for big money then throwing that money at Cole Palmer is a no brainer if Chelsea’s FFP/PSR situation is genuinely bad, he’s a Manchester lad and he along with his whole family are massive United fans.
 

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So many of our squad in general should be moved on but if someone like PSG came in big for Rashford then he should be sold and if a Saudi club came in for Fernandes then he should also be moved on as we have more control in midfield when he isn’t there.

How bad are things at Chelsea in regards to FFP/PSR ? If we could hypothetically move Rashford on for big money then throwing that money at Cole Palmer is a no brainer if Chelsea’s FFP/PSR situation is genuinely bad, he’s a Manchester lad and he along with his whole family are massive United fans.
We don’t need a right winger. We need 2 or 3 centre mids, a striker, a centre back and a left back.
 

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We don’t need a right winger. We need 2 or 3 centre mids, a striker, a centre back and a left back.
Antony nowhere near good enough, Greenwood virtually guaranteed to leave, Sancho almost certainly leaving, Diallo unhappy with his playing time and apparently Olise is one of our main targets this summer so I’d say we will need a right winger although we need a whole lot more on top of that too.
 

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Antony nowhere near good enough, Greenwood virtually guaranteed to leave, Sancho almost certainly leaving, Diallo unhappy with his playing time and apparently Olise is one of our main targets this summer so I’d say we will need a right winger although we need a whole lot more on top of that too.
Amad as first choice, Garnacho as second choice, Antony or Mount as third choice. I don't think anyone will be after buying Antony this summer, he might be loaned out, if so then an academy player like Mantato can fill in.
 

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Bruno being made captain is the biggest mistake by Ten Hag. All those Brentford shots came because we play with just 2 midfielders. Bruno messed up eachadn every defensive action that our defenders did manage. They clear, pass to Bruno and then he simply gives the ball again to some Brentford guy. You can brag all you want how Bruno is such a great chance creater but there too he messes up plenty. But the biggest problem is in defense. Aside from not knowing what to do with the ball he also doesn't give any leadership to our team. I expect a captain to lift everyone up and kick everyone that doesn't do his job. he just stands there and watches.

Our season is more or less done. We had to win to have any hope but I see Villa and Spurs ending with 69 points so we somehow have to make 22 points out of 8 games. No way. But Bruno..my mouth just falls over every time we get pressed.

Then there is Rashford. Why not give him the shirt of any opposition. I have not seen him do 1 (one) meaningful action yesterday. He gets the bal and the opposition defenders are already starting to smile because they know it has no sting. You can hir de Zerbi, Ancelotti, Klopp, Jose and Pep together but Rashford is a liability, period. Nice guy, and fabulous McLaren sportscar and I also think he has excellent fashion sense but as a United player he is rubbish.
 

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Simple explanation the difference between elite and idiot.

Bernardo Silva just started running at his man. Looked in control of the ball but when it becomes apparent he isn’t progressing…he shifts his body, puts it on to his other foot and recycles the ball. City keep possession.

meanwhile, over at Utd…Rashford (in the main) just keeps on running. And in most cases, loses possession.

the difference between Bruno and Odegaard is staggering . One looks after the ball and is constantly tidy whilst still offering a threat. The other is a petulant, emotionally driven waste of a pair of underpants
Exactly. It's so plain to see, yet our club and fanbase will keep on insisting we need to build around Bruno and Rashford.

They are utterly detrimental to achieving anything resembling control and dictating tempo. Recycling possession is the last thing on their mind, as they simply don't seem to understand why it's crucial.

It's kinda baffling how anyone can have watched Pep's City for the last 6+ years, and still don't understand how or why they are so tactically dominant. Keep the ball in the team at all costs, until your opposition is caught off balance/off guard, then go for the kill!

Whenever Bruno and Rashford receive the ball, it's straight into panic mode. And when we inevitably lose possession because of them, Bruno runs around like a headless chicken, whilst Rashford just goes for a calming walk.

Awful players to have in a team, and especially to build our whole team around. Genuinely awful.
 
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Amad as first choice, Garnacho as second choice, Antony or Mount as third choice. I don't think anyone will be after buying Antony this summer, he might be loaned out, if so then an academy player like Mantato can fill in.
I really like both Garnacho and Diallo but neither will be first choice on the right next season, Garnacho will more likely be pushing/replacing Rashford on the left whilst Diallo just doesn’t seem to be trusted starting.

I completely agree that we need a couple of centre backs, a left back, a couple of midfielders and a striker as well but we do also need a right sided attacker too.
 

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I really like both Garnacho and Diallo but neither will be first choice on the right next season, Garnacho will more likely be pushing/replacing Rashford on the left whilst Diallo just doesn’t seem to be trusted starting.

I completely agree that we need a couple of centre backs, a left back, a couple of midfielders and a striker as well but we do also need a right sided attacker too.
So essentially a whole new team.
 

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We looked decent for 10 mins yday. When Rashford the shit feck was off the pitch. No coincidence at all.
 

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I really like both Garnacho and Diallo but neither will be first choice on the right next season, Garnacho will more likely be pushing/replacing Rashford on the left whilst Diallo just doesn’t seem to be trusted starting.

I completely agree that we need a couple of centre backs, a left back, a couple of midfielders and a striker as well but we do also need a right sided attacker too.
By who? Ten Hag? Do you fully trust his judgement and do you think he will be here next season? Amad is one of our most talented players, he just needs a run of games.
 

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We can’t have 3 players in front 4 that keep our pressing disorganised and inconsistent.

Rashford is the first one who should get the boot. Garnacho and Bruno atleast put an effort.

I feel Bruno can do better if there are better players around. Just look at him in Portugal.

Garnacho atleast should be given a chance to work on his overall game having someone consistently compete with him for a position.
 

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You can't argue with Bruno supporters, all they ever throw at you is "Most chances created in the league, most chances created in the league".

You can tell who actually knows football, has watched it for years and judges players based on what they actually see with there eyes, and who just looks at stats and bases opinions exclusively on that.
The latter think Bruno is a world class playmaker.
 

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You can't argue with Bruno supporters, all they ever throw at you is "Most chances created in the league, most chances created in the league".

You can tell who actually knows football, has watched it for years and judges players based on what they actually see with there eyes, and who just looks at stats and bases opinions exclusively on that.
The latter think Bruno is a world class playmaker.
But that ''chances created'' must have taken a bite after this Brentford game? For a lot of the time I wondered: where is our forward line? How come they don't get into action? Why is our 70 million CF not getting the service?

We cannot rely on Garnacho every game. We have no replacement on either wing so Rashford and his not being there cannot be changed, we can't move Garnacho left and Antony right because the latter doesn't function either. Then the number 10 has to step up.

But he doesn't and he didn't.

I remain: it was a nice idea to make Bruno captain and someone had to be chosen but this coming summer that experiment needs to stop. Our attack is the main problem and it starts with having no backbone, no reliable play maker next to the erratic wingers.
 
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If you read Bruno's interview last week, he pretty much said Man Utd never was and never will be a control dominant team, and the strength and style of Man Utd has been high-intensity and fast transitioning. He played himself in accordance with the team's skillset and strength.
That means , if the core players stay , we basically would not see much improvement . Rashford is 26 would not improve any further if not regress; Bruno needs to play Rashford's strength so we stuck with fast transitioning football. Besides Bruno is 29 as well and he would not change much. We have seen the best results of this football which was the 2nd year in Ole's tenure, and we were 2nd place , far behind the title winner Many City.
We may become worse if we ship out Bruno and Rashford; but we will also not win back the title with both of them here. If we are not fooling ourselves and really serious about winning the title back, then the decision is quite clear: ship both of them out and recruit someone who can play the style of football that could bring us back to the top.
 

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Amad as first choice, Garnacho as second choice, Antony or Mount as third choice. I don't think anyone will be after buying Antony this summer, he might be loaned out, if so then an academy player like Mantato can fill in.
Amad is a baby at this level. Having him as first choice already is silly. Garnacho is first choice unless we bring someone in / Amad proves himself.
 

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We don’t need a right winger. We need 2 or 3 centre mids, a striker, a centre back and a left back.
Palmer can play as a 10. But it is highly unlikely Chelsea will sell him, no matter how bad their financial situation gets. Unless he creates an absolute fuss, I don't see him being sold. That being said, I would love him here.
 

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The argument that losing these two makes us weaker is nonsense.

There was so many questions raised when Pep walked in to city…had a look at Hart (England No1) and after seeing enough, shipped him out

There was so many questions raised when Arteta walked in to arsenal …and quickly realised that Ozil and Auba (arguably their two biggest names) were detrimental to his style and decided to move them on.

Other clubs have lost their big name players and arguably improved…

Everton were fighting relegation with Rooney and selling him was considered the nail in their coffin. Once we signed him, they started climbing the table.

The whole world was going to implode for spurs fans when Kane left….only to see them performing well this season.

at utd, we too have lost some big names…Ruud being the perfect example. An absolute goal machine at the peak of his powers. But we started playing better football and our relative baron spell whilst he was here was soon to be over.

Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results…which is what is happening with these two in the team.

get rid of them both. Move on. Invest better than we have done over the last decade and I can almost guarantee we would see an upturn in results and performance
 
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Bruno being made captain is the biggest mistake by Ten Hag. All those Brentford shots came because we play with just 2 midfielders. Bruno messed up eachadn every defensive action that our defenders did manage. They clear, pass to Bruno and then he simply gives the ball again to some Brentford guy. You can brag all you want how Bruno is such a great chance creater but there too he messes up plenty. But the biggest problem is in defense. Aside from not knowing what to do with the ball he also doesn't give any leadership to our team. I expect a captain to lift everyone up and kick everyone that doesn't do his job. he just stands there and watches.

Our season is more or less done. We had to win to have any hope but I see Villa and Spurs ending with 69 points so we somehow have to make 22 points out of 8 games. No way. But Bruno..my mouth just falls over every time we get pressed.

Then there is Rashford. Why not give him the shirt of any opposition. I have not seen him do 1 (one) meaningful action yesterday. He gets the bal and the opposition defenders are already starting to smile because they know it has no sting. You can hir de Zerbi, Ancelotti, Klopp, Jose and Pep together but Rashford is a liability, period. Nice guy, and fabulous McLaren sportscar and I also think he has excellent fashion sense but as a United player he is rubbish.
It isn't 1 player who will make a difference in or out, the whole team culture is flawed. This sunk to a new low which means it is prevalent and it is out of ETH's hands. It would seem for some reason this has become worse than better. There are maybe a couple who have not developed this cancer, but otherwise the entire team is expendable.
 
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The argument that losing these two makes us weaker is nonsense.

There was so many questions raised when Pep walked in to city…had a look at Hart (England No1) and after seeing enough, shipped him out

There was so many questions raised when Arteta walked in to arsenal …and quickly realised that Ozil and Auba (arguably their two biggest names) were detrimental to his style and decided to move them on.

Other clubs have lost their big name players and arguably improved…

Everton were fighting relegation with Rooney and selling him was considered the nail in their coffin. Once we signed him, they started climbing the table.

The whole world was going to implode for spurs fans when Kane left….only to see them performing well this season.

at utd, we too have lost some big names…Ruud being the perfect example. An absolute goal machine at the peak of his powers. But we started playing better football and our relative baron spell whilst he was here was soon to be over.

Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results…which is what is happening with these two in the team.

get rid of them both. Move on. Invest better than we have done over the last decade and I can almost guarantee we would see an upturn in results and performance
When you cite the players who left or were sold under SAF, understand he had the great wheel going. Meaning he expected players to leave and already had players coming in as replacements. This is how you run a team, you think 5 yrs down the road as well as to next game, next month and next season. Today MU do not have quality players. I will give hats off to Garnacho and Martinez, I have confidence in them and they do play hard. Hojlund may be something but that is it. Dalot wants to go, good bye, Bruno wants to go, don't let the door hit you on the way out! Rashford wants to go, see ya. There is no player bigger than the team and this team is Manchester United. The expectation from ETH on every player needs to increase. He needs to stop accepting failure game after game by player after player. Either that or develop some structured system, cause right now they don't have a clue what they are doing in certain areas of the pitch. Even worse, who replaces ETH if you move him on? There is nothing, forget Potter, forget Southgate, every name mentioned is not of the quality needed to move us back to the top of the table. Heck Roy Keane would be better suited than any of the names I hear.
 

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You can't argue with Bruno supporters, all they ever throw at you is "Most chances created in the league, most chances created in the league".

You can tell who actually knows football, has watched it for years and judges players based on what they actually see with there eyes, and who just looks at stats and bases opinions exclusively on that.
The latter think Bruno is a world class playmaker.
Well beyond that we need 3 midfielders, and Bruno might be labelled as one, but I would argue he's not at all.
 

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Maybe I'm a bit biased - but I feel like I could point out the problem players if our team was actually playing well rather than actually playing bad.

This kind of happened with Sancho & Antony last season - the team played relatively well and they stood out as players who were struggling in a relatively good team.

This season no one has really played well in our team maybe except Dalot so the whole team look like a problem and it's hard to pinpoint the actual problematic players. I feel like Bruno & Rashford are regarded as our main players so maybe made out to be more of the main problem.

Because our whole team is playing bad - I'm more on the side of blaming the manager more so than blaming the players themselves.
 

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Yes. We will never win anything with them in the starting 11. Next question?
 

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Not sure you’ll find many who don’t think this now. Even with our readjusted expectations for next season, which will inevitably be being in Europa League and making sure we finish in the CL places..neither of them is what we need and, to be honest with Rashford, I don’t think we’re what he needs either. Better he go somewhere they can set everything up around him and accommodate him because he’s not good enough to do that in the PL a la Pool/Salah or City/Haaland and he seems so disinterested in anything that looks like hard graft off the ball these days.
 

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Bruno is such a “moody” player. He takes far too much risks with his passes too. We need to have more control and composure in games. We could do with a better player than him. However, I think he’s not too bad as people made of him. The players around him is the bigger problem, including Rashy, who is even worse of a moody player and loses possession twice as much.
 

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Amad is a baby at this level. Having him as first choice already is silly. Garnacho is first choice unless we bring someone in / Amad proves himself.
He’s 22 in July, he’s good enough for first choice as he’s a better player than Rashford. What would be silly is buying a right winger when there are far more urgent holes in a bunch of other positions.
 

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He’s 22 in July, he’s good enough for first choice as he’s a better player than Rashford. What would be silly is buying a right winger when there are far more urgent holes in a bunch of other positions.
Good enough based on what? A cameo in the FA cup. He’s 22 but 19 in teams of first team expeience. I’m not saying we have to sign a RW - ideally we would - but if we can’t then obviously Garnacho who has been our best RW this season would, as things stand, be first choice. Amad has to first prove himself at the club and as better than Garnacho on the right before we can make any plans assuming him as first choice.
 

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Neither are a problem themselves necessarily, what is a problem is that we don't have better, more consistent players in the squad and that they are still key figures as a result.
 

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Good enough based on what? A cameo in the FA cup. He’s 22 but 19 in teams of first team expeience. I’m not saying we have to sign a RW - ideally we would - but if we can’t then obviously Garnacho who has been our best RW this season would, as things stand, be first choice. Amad has to first prove himself at the club and as better than Garnacho on the right before we can make any plans assuming him as first choice.
Based on all of the gameplay I’ve seen with my eyeballs and the stats to back it up. In the short amount of gameplay he’s been given here he’s shown that his ability translates to this level as well as it does in the Championship or the U23s. He’ll go on to prove himself worthy for the spot as the season comes to an end, as long as Ten Hag gives him the opportunity.
 

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Based on all of the gameplay I’ve seen with my eyeballs and the stats to back it up. In the short amount of gameplay he’s been given here he’s shown that his ability translates to this level as well as it does in the Championship or the U23s. He’ll go on to prove himself worthy for the spot as the season comes to an end, as long as Ten Hag gives him the opportunity.
I sincerely hope he does. But I can’t put my eggs in that basket just yet. Fletcher or someone from the club said he’s had to improve in the tactical side so I’d rather envisage him as working his way into the team rather than an instant starter.

Ideally we’d just sell Rashford to raise funds for a new winger but the club won’t do that.
 

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In our current setup with our current manager and his ideas, no I dont believe they are.
Now if we want to change and actually start dominating games and have more possesion and fixed positions and patterns of play, then yes I think they might struggle.
 

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It isn't 1 player who will make a difference in or out, the whole team culture is flawed. This sunk to a new low which means it is prevalent and it is out of ETH's hands. It would seem for some reason this has become worse than better. There are maybe a couple who have not developed this cancer, but otherwise the entire team is expendable.
I remain it is Bruno who is the problem. We have a midfield problem. Look at how Casemiro lifted our fortunes when he was in form and had some legs. But also Casemiro did a lot of work Bruno didn't and doesn't do.

Playing Bruno is like playing 4 defenders 2 midfielders 4 attackers with only one of them (Garnacho) seemingly willing to actually track back and give a damn.

And maybe it would be different if Bruno actually starts to produce number 10 or attackers goals. As it is, he has half of McTominays (!!!) number.

No. I say no more. Bruno is a liability and Ten Hag needs to go if he keeps persisting with what is very clear to anyone. Our midfield is the biggest problem, the biggest factor why we have so many changing displays.

We need to give him a nice cake, thank him for being so injury free and he does give anything within his zone but it just is not enough.
 

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Those two players are bottom-half wingers. Bags of potential? Sure. Top 4 starters? Absolutely not

Must get serious
Garnacho and Amad? Bottom half wingers :lol: A front 3 of Garnacho, Hojlund and Amad has potential to be the best in the league. Once we have a new midfield with a proper structure to support them, we’re in great shape.