The Arsenal board really need to sanction a 100 mil bid for Havertz to keep Arteta happy.
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No chance of this happening.
This is probably the best bunch of players that we have managed to cobble together since the noughties through a combination of luck and design. We'll be at this level for three years, the first of which has just gone. If in the next two years nothing happens, I see all of Saka, Saliba, Odegaard and Arteta leave for greener pastures.
If you read the article, it says its from French site RMC who said he was approached a couple of weeks ago and turned them down.
So even if it was true he was sounded out, he's not going to PSG when he's managing near the top of the Premier League.
Only needed to see "Talk Sport" to judge the accuracy!
It's be hilarious but very unlikely of course.
But just because he's taken you from 5/6th to 2nd, doesn't mean you can't quickly reverse that, especially on your last 2 month form.
Man City do not appoint lousy managers.
Everyone appoints lousy managers from time to time. Everyone.
Likewise. And just because ETH took you from 6th to 3rd, doesn't mean that can be quickly reversed either. Works for most managers in fact that are not named Pep. Even Klopp.
So far, since the takeover, they have only appointed proven winners. If Arteta doesn’t win the prem in the next two years he is not going to City. We can hope they take a gamble on Kompany if he does well with Burnley in the prem. That has the potential to get nasty.
So a sample size of 3 managers then?
Arteta, Odegaard and Saliba all of interest to PSG.
Two have one year left on their contracts; the other has two but is refusing to talk about an extension until the transfer window closes. Wonder why?
Saliba contract renewal at Arsenal is unsigned.
Ask who the obvious Man City punt is on the right wing if Mahrez leaves as well.
Two have one year left on their contracts; the other has two but is refusing to talk about an extension until the transfer window closes. Wonder why?
Saliba contract renewal at Arsenal is unsigned.
Ask who the obvious Man City punt is on the right wing if Mahrez leaves as well.
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Painfully possible, isn't it?
Why would this time be any different to the past when Man Utd, Man C and Barcelona just used to take who they wanted?
Much less painful than your tolling attempts.
Both will sign, we'll take your captain & Moyes will blow the windfall on Fellaini clones.
Painfully accurate.It’s the only data we’ve got. The fact that they’ve only had 3 managers in 15 years is a testament to how well they’ve recruited. Only Mancini sacked. Had they gone the Chelsea route the sample size would be a lot bigger ofcourse.
We shall see.
Saliba contract to 2027 with a club option to 2028 is done. The same thing happened with Saka and Martinelli contracts - it was an open secret before the official signing. Chooseing to believe 'its not been signed' is pure copium.
If were bidding 101m for Declan Rice who has 2 years left on his contract. My god, what would it take to prise Saliba from us who has 5 years to run?
As for Saka. His contract runs an extra 3 years after 2025 by which Pep will have left City. It wouldn't be Pep trying to sign Saka, it would be Vinnie K. Something tells me this slaphead wont have the same pull.
Surprised about their interest in Havertz. What is it about him that makes so many top clubs still want him.
You can ask that to Morata and Lukaku.
Becoming pretty obvious what we're trying to do now:
Ramsdale
White - Saliba - Gabriel - Zinchenko
Rice
Saka - Odegaard - Havertz - Martinelli
Jesus
Turner
Timber - Tomiyasu - Kiwior - Tierney
Jorginho
Nelson - Vieira - Lavia - ESR
Trossard
Hein
Holding
Elneny*
Nketiah
Not sure I fully like the balance, i'd rather keep Partey and loan out Vieira for a season to bed in the new players.
White - Saliba - Gabriel - Zinchenko
Rice
Saka - Odegaard - Havertz - Martinelli
Jesus
Turner
Timber - Tomiyasu - Kiwior - Tierney
Jorginho
Nelson - Vieira - Lavia - ESR
Trossard
Hein
Holding
Elneny*
Nketiah
Not sure I fully like the balance, i'd rather keep Partey and loan out Vieira for a season to bed in the new players.
Yes, I think we need to keep Partey as well, as it allows us to play with him as our right back, in the more physical, counter attack focused games (think Everton away, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Brentford, Villa, Brighton, Fulham, possibly Spurs as well). Pretty much what City did for their unbeaten run to end last season.
Something like this...
---------------Ramsdale
Partey---Saliba---Gabriel---Kiwior
-------------------Rice
------Odegaard----Havertz
Saka-----------Jesus------------Martinelli
In attack we move to a 343 with Partey inverting, but importantly maintain a 5-5 balance of proper attackers and defenders.
I think we will look to cash in on Tierney, Balogun, Lokonga and Pepe as our key outgoings, hopefully around 100m. With another 30m coming from the rest (Xhaka, Marquinhos, Holding, Trusty, Mari, Guendouzi, Mavrapanos, etc). That should allow us to go up to the needed 250m to bring in Rice, Havertz, Lavia, Timber.
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If City win the Premier League for the next two years running then that doesn't leave many options.
Claudio Ranieri and Jose Mourinho have won the Premier League but you presumably wouldn't want either of them?
They really need to win something this season to justify dropping 500m+ in 3 seasons. He will get sacked if they don't win a trophy.
Not checked but how much will have City, Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool have spent in 3 seasons?
Chelsea have been sacking managers left, right and centre. The other 3 clubs have won stuff and if they don't continue, the managers will also be under pressure.
That doesnt matter as much to Arsenal, as you have seen with Arteta remaining at the club during his lowest points.
Arsenal are about stability, and have backed that with spending now as well. Looking at the age and technical profiles, its clear Mikel will be around for some time to come.
If you had to bet on Arteta getting the sack, it would be if Arsenal drop out of CL contention for an extended time, as Wenger had.
They have won trophies or the manager has been sacked.
It hasn’t mattered because you’ve been rebuilding. That rebuild is nearing its end and after the title challenge you’ve made this year, if you don’t win a trophy/challenge again after dropping probably another 200m+ this summer he will be gone, if not under extreme pressure.
Nah I dont think so.
Arsenal are built different, they understand the importance of continuity as its what has brought our success over the years. Arteta will be under pressure to deliver trophies of course. But like we have seen at Liverpool with Klopp, decisions are taken with a broader outlook in mind. And Arsenal have an even more patient approach than Liverpool.
For Arteta to be sacked, it has to be because Arsenal do not make the CL anymore. Because to manage the spending, you need consistent access to the biggest money the game offers.
we will see. It’s been so long without a trophy of relevance for Arsenal that you can only hold onto good vibes for so long.
If you look at the history and record of the owner how they run their teams in NBA and NHL, I doubt it. Of course Arteta needs to keep the CL place next season.
If all those moves are made i think we could consider the rebuild completed for the first 11 and a bit of depth.
Top 3 in the PL and a respectable CL campaign (QF ?) and he would be safe. 24/25 will be the year when a big one would be needed but even then, the incoming Pep exit could buy him another season.
Got to say that this boring bastard Arteta is very clear how he wants to play. Signing Timber and playing him along with Zinchenko as inverted fullbacks would make them play to a very high quality level. With Saka and Martinelli on the wings, Rice in the middle, Odegaard in the hole, Timber and Zinchenko supporting them in midfield. I could see them dominating almost everyone in the premier league.
We won the FA Cup 3 years ago, it's not that long, Arteta was manager for it as well.
indeed, hence why I said a trophy of relevance to you. Winning the FA Cup is nice for you but I’d argue a title or European trophy is of more importance and relevance now.
Also winning nothing in 3 years is quite a long time in modern football for a big club spending 500m+ and not changing their manager.
Arsenal are quite good for a small club
And you guys aren't considering yous are a massive club!
Not even the last 3 seasons. They spent close to 200m over the last two windows and will probably hit 250m this summer for the 4 players they’re rumoured to be getting.
Do the people who criticize arsenal for not winning even after spending a lot also complain about city's cheating? Because both kinda go hand in hand, without city's cheating to create super teams we would be celebrating a title right now.
I'm not having a Chelsea fan count up and lecture us on spending!