yeah FA cup is stale now. it's the league or europe. But much harder to achieve in the grand scheme of things. City, despite all their financial doping have just won it for the first time ever (CL).
I’m not lecturing you. Just keeping tabs, considering the shit I get from Arsenal fans in particular about Chelsea’s spendingI'm not having a Chelsea fan count up and lecture us on spending!
No, no one on this forum is critical of City
Don't be a smartass, you got my point. "Ahah arsenal sucks, they spend loads and win nothing, they even lost to these incredible cheats who have almost infinite funds ahah" it's just silly really.
Well, without sounding too offensive, Ill simply say that you havent been paying attention to the way Arsenal is run. You dont even have to go back to the Wenger years, you just have to look at how the club has worked with Arteta. The fact that he was hired without any experience should be your biggest clue.
Is this a problem?
Seriously?Really? Klopp has won the PL, CL, FA Cup and League Cup amongst other one off trophy games. He's also reached multiple European finals and took City to the final game in multiple seasons. If he was just getting CL football every year he would also be under pressure.
Obviously not but I’m allowed to keep tabs on the rising figures considering that is literally all the Arsenal fans around me do with Chelsea. Almost 500m across 3 windows is getting dangerously close to 600m across 2 windows which was said to be unprecedented levels of crazy
Yes, really.
If you're using a Klopp to Arteta example then you should be winning the PL next season and have won a CL by this point then? Klopp also rebuilt the Liverpool side.
He will be judged on trophies at some point, i agree. He himself has said many times he wants to win top trophies, so that's what we should be aiming for. It's difficult with Pep and that team to overcome them, perhaps that's part of the strategy of building a young team, to have them as competitive as they can not just now but also when Pep leaves hoping to take advantage of any regression.
It's not a stick to beat him with, just saying that if you as a club are spending that much money on a team and with the same manager, you expect some return. If you're not getting the return on investment it will at some point be an issue.
Modern football fans are delusional and usually stupid.
I think Arsenal fans are more patient and would be ok as long as they see some progress. I don't understand the fascination with trophy any trophy in particular. Had we won the FA Cup we would still feel shit about losing PL. Most consider PL/CL or bust. Expect for feeling good for few days i don't think most care about any other thing except PL/CL.
You’d also have won the title despite their cheating had you not crumbled last season during the run in.
You just finished 2nd after leading the table for most of the season. What would you consider as progress next season if not a trophy? Finishing one point behind City?
Feels like arrogance from fans of a club that's had its first title challenge in almost two decades and has never won the CL.
I don't disagree, I just feel like that's how football is nowadays.
I think we covered our major arguments here and we are now repeating ourselves.
Fair point. But the worrying prospect for you (and for us) is that if Klopp gets his act together we're in big trouble. You could get 85 points and end up third next season.
You could get 96pts and still not win the title. That doesn't make the campaign a failure. Cant control what other teams can/would do.
Logic dictates that Pool are likely to be back next year, but it is far from an automatic thing. The loss of Mane affected their attack more than I expected....Salah's form coincidentally or not has dropped a little, and then VVD and TAA are far from their best. They did well getting McAllister but they still have areas to address.
I doubt Edu will let him leave before he secured the replacement.
We should sell him to Chelsea and include a sell-on, we'd probably get more than 17 fecking millions
I find this interesting, and not only because Im an Arsenal fan and it goes against my desires for next season.
Surely they'll drop off a bit, but I don't think they'll mind. Their strategy seems to be to build a team that's going to peak around the time Pep and Klopp leave. Could be a masterstroke. Hopefully we match their progress and it's us vs them for the title in a couple of years.
He's a very very good player, and for the first 2/3 of the season he was as good as anyone in his position (and at stages in previous seasons too). But he dropped off at the end of the season a fair bit. I'd still try and keep him tbh.
Can you take any clubs fans seriously? I have seen people on here claim Casemiro is the best in the world, when in reality everybody knows he is not even the best in Manchester. I recently saw a guy on here saying (with seriousness) that Saka is not in Jadon Sancho's league and never will be.
Yes he was the best six in the league for large parts of last season, particularly the first half of the season. His contribution centrally and ability to cover space, was a huge reason why we were 50 points in December and head and shoulders above the rest, as the best team in the league.
Casemiro has been, by all accounts, the best #6 in world football for the last few years. I’d have him ahead of Rodri as well.
The Arteta factor is true. I still don't see him as a great coach but last season surprised me quite a bit.
Rodri every day of the week for me just now.
