Arsenal - Dirty team

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Pogue Mahone said:
You seem unable to appreciate the quality of a disciplined, hard-working defensive team performance. Not unlike your manager.
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Eh

:houllier: where do I seem unable to appreciate a hard working defensive team performance ?

how have you picked that vibe up?

I'm a gooner from way before Wenger's time so I appreciate "hard working defensive team performance" s better than any fan on this site

Ferguson's genius as a manager is not confined to all out gungho 'never say die' attacking football. He's better than that and has a fantastic grasp of what tactics generally fit what game / opposition team and against us as he's done against Barca before, CL semi , he's set up to be tight and narrow down spaces with Park Carrick Fletcher etc and hopefully get a break in a game, which this tactic often achieves

It does'nt always work but it does more often than not and it's not actually being negative either it's just wrapping tentacles around a team like us and challenging us to come up with something to beat it, which in the last 6 years or so Wenger has never got to grips with

It's Ferguson's adaptability that puts him on a level above all other managers imo - he'd like to smash every side 6-0 with wonder football but is intelligent enough to realise that if you cant do that then are other ways
 

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Obviously we're not going to go all out and attack you like we did Blackburn, but there was only one side playing positively last night and trying to play football, and it was United. Of course our fluency was disrupted by Arsenal's calculated fouling and anti-football, but on the whole we were the only team looking like winning the game.
 

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Jopub said:
Eh

:houllier: where do I seem unable to appreciate a hard working defensive team performance ?

how have you picked that vibe up?

I'm a gooner from way before Wenger's time so I appreciate "hard working defensive team performance" s better than any fan on this site

Ferguson's genius as a manager is not confined to all out gungho 'never say die' attacking football. He's better than that and has a fantastic grasp of what tactics generally fit what game / opposition team and against us as he's done against Barca before, CL semi , he's set up to be tight and narrow down spaces with Park Carrick Fletcher etc and hopefully get a break in a game, which this tactic often achieves

It does'nt always work but it does more often than not and it's not actually being negative either it's just wrapping tentacles around a team like us and challenging us to come up with something to beat it, which in the last 6 years or so Wenger has never got to grips with

It's Ferguson's adaptability that puts him on a level above all other managers imo - he'd like to smash every side 6-0 with wonder football but is intelligent enough to realise that if you cant do that then are other ways
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Fair enough. Just seemed as though you were being very negative about a decent performance. You kept saying it was two teams playing badly. I saw it as two good sided cancelling each other out, with United showing a little bit more cutting edge up front and a bit more discipline at the back.
 

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Scholesy said:
Are they not allowed to tackle?
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Of course your allowed to tackle, but there is a difference between trying to win the ball and taking someones ankle out when you're behind them to break up an attack.

wr8_utd said:
Talking of that, how many fouls did it take before Song finally got a card?!
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Song was just as dirty as Fletcher was last year yet no mention of it what so ever.

Phil said:
They weren't that dirty, just outplayed and committed fouls as a result. Not that cynical.
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Completely disagree, everytime we we're going to break, up cropped another little trip. No crunching tackles, just little ankle taps to stop our flow. Very cynical.

Arsenal have learnt from us, and i actually give them a huge piece of respect for that. You can't go into these games letting teams play there football. They were very cynical, we did what we've done over the years, sit deep, soak up the pressure and then hit them on the break. We must of had about 7/8 oppurtunities to break and fair play to them they made some tactical fouls. Stopped us before we got going. And from those 7/8 great oppurtunities we only got about 3 good counter attacks going. Really frustrating, Song should have been booked a lot sooner than he did, and i'd have been seething if they had got a point out of the game. Cynical bastards absolutely, but we do the same and rightly so.
 

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They're a bunch of snide cnuts. I think it was something like 8 fouls before Webb found his yellow card in his pocket. I'm not sure if would have been the same if it was Blackburn committing the fouls.

Regarding the game it wasn't bad. Yeah there was mistakes and misplaced passes but that opened the match up. Better than two teams playing safe and passing around the midfield with no chance of breaking eath other down. It kept an edge to the match.
 

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Very dirty from Arsenal last night. Cynical fouls all over the shop - Chamakh and Song in particular.
 

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peterstorey said:
The first bookable foul was by Vidic on Chamakh (zilch), we then got 2 yellows for lesser ones. Webb's a wonder.
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Peter, are you being a thick cnut on purpose, or are you actually this blinkered when it comes to Arsenal and United?

However, knowing how United-obsessed you are, defeats against us must be hard to take for you. Even though you should be used to it.
 

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peterstorey said:
Clear yellow when Vidic cleaned out Chamakh (someone took out Wilshere on the edge of the box too and Webb gave a poxy advantage instead of a free kick).
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As far as I can remember, Vidic's challenge on Ronaldo-wanna-be did warrant a booking.

Was it really the first challenge in the game warranting a booking though?

Beside the point of this thread though. Anyone watching the game last night would have seen that it was mostly Arsenal who did most of the fouling.

Overall though, I thought Webb had a good game. Missed a few things both ways, including a first half pen to United, but let the game flow as much as it could.
 

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peterstorey said:
We conceded 16 free kicks (-1 for the ludicrous non-pen) compared to your 30 in last year's fixture (+ 1 for the blatent pen not given).
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I have no complaints about your little boys kicking our legs.

There was no ludicrous non-pen. Handball is not allowed in football. Unless you are a goalie.
 

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Fletch should've had a free kick. Can't believe Webb missed it. Add an extra one onto the Arse total.
 

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peterstorey said:
We conceded 16 free kicks (-1 for the ludicrous non-pen) compared to your 30 in last year's fixture (+ 1 for the blatent pen not given).
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You make yourself look like such a retard when you make up stats.

Get over it Pete.

You can't keep trying to divert attention to pointless stats and referees.

Time to admit you're just our bitch.
 

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Jopub said:
Eh

:houllier: where do I seem unable to appreciate a hard working defensive team performance ?

how have you picked that vibe up?

I'm a gooner from way before Wenger's time so I appreciate "hard working defensive team performance" s better than any fan on this site

Ferguson's genius as a manager is not confined to all out gungho 'never say die' attacking football. He's better than that and has a fantastic grasp of what tactics generally fit what game / opposition team and against us as he's done against Barca before, CL semi , he's set up to be tight and narrow down spaces with Park Carrick Fletcher etc and hopefully get a break in a game, which this tactic often achieves

It does'nt always work but it does more often than not and it's not actually being negative either it's just wrapping tentacles around a team like us and challenging us to come up with something to beat it, which in the last 6 years or so Wenger has never got to grips with

It's Ferguson's adaptability that puts him on a level above all other managers imo - he'd like to smash every side 6-0 with wonder football but is intelligent enough to realise that if you cant do that then are other ways
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I'd agree with that, we can be very boring when we want to be, Fergie has that ability, he can also change it to turn us into a demented attacking, best of all he can manage both in the same game
 

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What hasnt been discussed here is why Wenger and Arsenal went down the 'kick em off the park' route in the first place, is it a testament to recent results between the two clubs and maybe an acceptance on his part that Arsenal cant out football this United side? trying to out football United has simply not worked be in league/champions league/fa cup whatever, maybe yesterday was Wengers plan b in this fixture.
 

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Kraftwerker said:
Arsenal committed 7 fouls in the first 14 minutes, averaging a foul every other minute.

It's clearly what they set out to do. Shame they're even shit at that.
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Yeah, I clocked that but when you take into account Webb waving play on for two fouls on us and giving a foul for Anderson's dive. It's actually 4-6 foul count ie pretty even.
 

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I honestly don't think Wenger and his team (and clearly some of their fans judging by this thread) understand the difference between hard tackling and just fouling.
So they whinge like bitches if another team dares to tackle hard, always describing anything that comes their way as a foul. But they themselves perform proper vicious fouls - two-footers, scything haymakers, the lot - and try to sell it as them 'matching the physicality of the league'.

Or, to put it more simply, stop being such a hypocritical tit Peter.
 
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