Even spurs didn't resort to dirty tactics when we played them, they actually came and played football and to be fair put up a stiffer test than Arsenal did last night.
Arsenal - Dirty team
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Tbh they were just responding to claims that they weren't up to the physical challenges of the PL. They were out of order, and more cards should of been shown. But they were just trying to make the point that they can be physical if they need to be.
They didn't really do a very good job of making their point mind.
They didn't really do a very good job of making their point mind.
30 fouls in one game. Explain that away?
feck off - Spurs just lay down and died as they always do at OT and Anfield.
i knew youd bite.Once upon a time in pretendy storey land...
... And they all lived happily ever after. The End.
Pete's right. Our foul count was increased last night due to poor officiating, and it still wasn't that bad. You committed far more fouls last year at home, yet you're calling us a dirty team? It makes no sense.
The officiating last night was not poor.
I think you fail to see the reason why some United fans have picked up on how Arsenal set out last night. Not surprisingly.
I beg to differ. None of the fouls called on Arsenal were called incorrectly.
The only thing poor about the officiating was the fact you were let off about a dozen fouls before any of your players were reprimanded.
To be fair, that penalty decision was a complete joke. I actually laughed when he blew his whistle.
Ferdinand shouldnt have been sent off either, I dont know why this is even up for debate. He used his leg for leverage, and he absolutely had to win the ball at all costs as he was the last man (I think he was trying to call Evra back for support?), so I think in a sense he was almost trying too hard to win it.
Ferdinand shouldnt have been sent off either, I dont know why this is even up for debate. He used his leg for leverage, and he absolutely had to win the ball at all costs as he was the last man (I think he was trying to call Evra back for support?), so I think in a sense he was almost trying too hard to win it.
Yup, 30 fouls wasn't it last year, 46 of them by Fletcher (if you count times he looked at your players as fouls which is obviously fair).
You really need to get over it.
I'll decide when I get over things. It won't be for a while yet I can assure you.
Careful al, you'll get a reputation as a bitter tosser, like storey.
Are you lot serious?
You make it sound that you were hacked off the field.
You lot take defeats against United hard.
I'm bitter about the last two refereeing performances at OT, yes. I mean, the thing is, with Mike Dean, that performance was a joke. We committed fifteen fouls and got 6 yellows. So 2.5 fouls/yellow. You committed 21, and received 3 yellows. So 7 fouls/yellow.
Last night you got a joke penalty, I know Rooney didn't score, but all the same. Now, I know it sounds bitter, but we have had cause to be. Not at the Emirates mind, we were well beaten, but at OT in the last two seasons.
That doesn't say anything about the nature of the fouls.
You lot should know all about getting "joke" penalties, you get your fair share. You were lucky not to concede a penalty in the first half.
Why is the penalty causing so much hoo har? it was a harsh call yes but there's been far worse ones given than that and in Arsenals favour and i didn't hear you complaining then, you take the rough with the smooth you've had your fair share of soft pens already this season and the fact is Rooney missed and it had no significance on the result whatsoever.
You came to our ground and tried to kick us off the pitch from minute 1, it failed.
You came to our ground and tried to kick us off the pitch from minute 1, it failed.
We committed 15 fouls last night? It's hardly that bad. You committed more against us last season, why is that not kicking us off the pitch? You can't have it both ways.
If you're admitting it was a harsh call, you know it was an awful decision. Even United fans are calling it a joke. That was on another level to anything we've had this season.
You committed 18 according to Sky whilst we committed 8, 7 of yours were committed in the first quarter of the game (1 less than we managed in the entire 90 minutes) and some of them were extremely blatant attempts at dirty play, (Clichy from behind on Nani studding his Achilles, chamkah kicking Nani knee high with no attempt to play the ball) you made a visible effort to get physical with us from ball 1 dont dress it up as anything other than a blatant attempt at foul play.
As for the penalty technically it was a handball in the box which results in a penalty, it was harsh as it appeared Clichy didnt know much about it but it was certainly not as soft as some of the ones Chamakh has won for your lot, via blatant dives and in some cases no contact whatsoever.
Like i said, you arnt really in any position to cry foul over soft penalties being an Arsenal fan, you get A LOT more given for you than against.
But the reason the top sides tend to get more penalties is because we have more of the ball. We've had a few dodgyish ones, but the one last night was simply not a pen.
And OK, 18 fouls. Still fewer than 21. Care to at some point explain what United did last year? You're avoiding the point.
Was the one not given a pen?
Point being, after last season's game, you lot - including your manager - moaned about United's rough tactics. This season you apply the very same tactics.
What has last year got to do with last nights game? i haven't once mentioned last years game because it was discussed at length....last year, if in some way your trying to disguise the fact you tried to kick us off the pitch last night by harping on about games of years previous then that's pretty poor Alistair.
Well I just don't feel 18 fouls constitutes kicking off the pitch. I mean, none of the fouls we committed could genuinely have hurt any of your players. Maybe a bruise here and there, but there weren't any really late ones. Niggly maybe, cynical maybe, dangerous, no. I think it's a bit of a non-issue - it didn't ruin the game, and it didn't influence it massively either.
Look at how you set out - you lot tried to rough it up to start with. Little boys kicking grown men. Obviously didn't work, so you lot failed with that as well, and didn't manage to keep it up.
Certainly didn't ruin the game. We were too good for that to happen.
It depends how you define dangerous really, were there any 2 footed lunges? no, but id say a few like the Clichy and Chamakh challenges could have caused serious injury, if you play or have ever played football you'll know when someone rakes their studs down your achilies it can be very serious, as can being kicked in the knee cap quite nastily.
As i said earlier in this thread it wasnt so much dangerous as cynical, it was a clear attempt to disrupt our play and get about us to steal a more common phrase, it looked as though your team had been sent out to rough us up.
Man Utd conceded 30 freekicks last year not 21 according to the Guardian chalkboard.
Oh fair enough, I made the mistake of doing a quick BBC search - notoriously inaccurate.
That's bollocks the first two bad fouls were on Wilshere on the edge of the box and on Chamakh by Vidic - no cards. We foul - 2 cards.
Boofeckinghoo
Pete your team committed half a dozen cynical fouls before any card was shown to your team, wake up.
I'm not for the whining about fouls, but ye did commit them man, and I can think of a fair few advantages played because ye managed to be pretty inept at the fouling too.
Clearly, but it's no crime, I expect nothing less from a team that was so bereft of inspiration. As a fan I almost demand it in a performance like that; think what they would have offered without the fouls?
Not all free kicks are for fouls.
True but I don't remember you being offside much in a game when you didn't have the ball.
Lads stop whining. How can we sneer at Arsene when he cries if we just ape him?
Boofecking hoo was a more elegant response. Vidic was clearly the first bookable offence - no card.
Clichy was the first bookable offence of the game when he slid from behind down the back of Nanis Achilles inside 5 minutes, howard Webb as he was all night was lenient with you and didnt book him.
Go and re watch the game Pete, your clearly in a state of denial and imagining things.
Saps, pete is loving this, talking about foul stats on the day after the gooners basically proved their lack of bottle in big games.