Arsenal's title credentials...

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Giroud's finishing has cost us 5-6 points already.
Thing is that everyone can see he's not actually the type that will get you a lot of goals. You have the type of player that bring the extra goals from situations the first striker is not suited for. He's like Naill Quinn, Carsten Jancker and those sort of guys who end a season on 10-13 goals, and I think Bentner is pretty much the same sort of player. Now he's your main man and will probably get 15-16 goals in the PL this season. But that is not exactly Thierry Henry right?
 

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What happened to those Pato rumours?
Probably just paper rumours. Was reading recently his attitude in Brazil has been quite poor and too distracted off the pitch, performances on the pitch not been all that great either.

Giroud's build up play and all round game has probably won us around 10 points, in fairness to him.
Any top class striker would of offered similar but put away many of the chances he missed as well. To be fair to him I think part of the problem is we have played him so much recently he looks quite tired, so his injury against Newcastle will give him a much needed rest. After the last international break he had like 10 days off and when he came back he looked noticeably sharper. I think Giroud + another top class striker would of been perfect for this season.

His early season performances were a revelation, he gave us a bite that Arteta never has, and certainly Song never did. Also in regards to my original post, I'm wondering if we'd had his best years what would've been the effect. I think in the years we were defensively shaky our midfield got let off easy, with our various CBs taking the brunt of the fans ire.
For me the main thing about Flamini is when Arteta is out injured we have a good option, he wouldn't get into our first team but in the past couple of years without Arteta our midfield has looked very flaky so he has helped in that respect.

I agree that our midfield let us down in the past but I think our system was far too risky and left us far too exposed.
 

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Here's an interesting fact... despite the Arsenal fans crying that Arsene needed to spend money. They've still spent more money in the last 3 years that ourselves! Yet Arsenals Net Spend is around -20m, while ours is a cool -120m. Just thought it was interesting!
 

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Here's an interesting fact... despite the Arsenal fans crying that Arsene needed to spend money. They've still spent more money in the last 3 years that ourselves! Yet Arsenals Net Spend is around -20m, while ours is a cool -120m. Just thought it was interesting!
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html

I don't know how reliable the figures are (I can see some of the Arsenal ones are incorrect, e.g Cazorla did not cost us £20mill, Giroud was not £11mill) there but I can't be bothered to dig up each figure. According to that your figures are way off. If we go from when C.Ronaldo left you've spent +£67.8mill whereas our spent is -£0.6mill. I think our squad has probably changed more in that time as well. Well we had a weaker team & squad so needed more investment.

I think the problem Arsenal fans have had is we've built a big cash deposit and not dipped into it enough, breaking even was something I could live with but the summers we made a profit I found hard to deal with. From Wenger's point of view until our income was at higher level he didn't feel comfortable spending too much, after the new Emirates, kit & TV deal we'll be something like £80mill up on revenue so won't be under as much pressure to sell in order to buy.
 

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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html

I don't know how reliable the figures are (I can see some of the Arsenal ones are incorrect, e.g Cazorla did not cost us £20mill, Giroud was not £11mill) there but I can't be bothered to dig up each figure. According to that your figures are way off. If we go from when C.Ronaldo left you've spent +£67.8mill whereas our spent is -£0.6mill. I think our squad has probably changed more in that time as well. Well we had a weaker team & squad so needed more investment.

I think the problem Arsenal fans have had is we've built a big cash deposit and not dipped into it enough, breaking even was something I could live with but the summers we made a profit I found hard to deal with. From Wenger's point of view until our income was at higher level he didn't feel comfortable spending too much, after the new Emirates, kit & TV deal we'll be something like £80mill up on revenue so won't be under as much pressure to sell in order to buy.

Well going by the TransferMarket figures (which I find fairly accurate).

In the last 3 seasons:

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Club                  Arrival          Depart           Net Spend
Arsenal               £149,138,000     £130,055,200    -£19,082,800 
Manchester United     £147,752,000     £27,038,000     -£120,714,000
United are actually 6th in the table when you look at Arrival Figures. Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and City are all above us. We also have the worst Depart Figure out of the current Top 8 teams at 27m.
 

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Well going by the TransferMarket figures (which I find fairly accurate).

In the last 3 seasons:

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Club                  Arrival          Depart          Net Spend
Arsenal              £149,138,000    £130,055,200    -£19,082,800
Manchester United    £147,752,000    £27,038,000    -£120,714,000
United are actually 6th in the table when you look at Arrival Figures. Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and City are all above us. We also have the worst Depart Figure out of the current Top 8 teams at 27m.
These figures are confusing me, when you have a negative net spend I thought that means you've recouped money on transfers. Going by above you've spent £120mill in last 3 seasons while we've spent £19mill. I wouldn't be surprised by our figure but your one looks a bit high.

You got a link to this page?
 

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These figures are confusing me, when you have a negative net spend I thought that means you've recouped money on transfers. Going by above you've spent £120mill in last 3 seasons while we've spent £19mill. I wouldn't be surprised by our figure but your one looks a bit high.

You got a link to this page?

Not a page exactly, I had to go through transfermanager and copy each clubs transfers for each season, click here for example. I've copied the excel data into a google spreadsheet though:

Transfers - Top 8 - 11/12 to Present

Should be pretty self explanatory. Just click through the tabs at the bottom. I've applied a simple filter so you can filter out a specific club to make it a bit easier.
 

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These figures are confusing me, when you have a negative net spend I thought that means you've recouped money on transfers. Going by above you've spent £120mill in last 3 seasons while we've spent £19mill. I wouldn't be surprised by our figure but your one looks a bit high.

You got a link to this page?
Transfermarkt seems a very sound site in regards to stats and transfer fees. www.transfermarkt.com
 

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Gnabry was great today.

I'm still in shock that Spurs thought that coming to our ground playing a 4-4-2 with that young kid Bentaleb was a good idea though. When I saw the team sheets, I thought that as long as we played with any level of intensity, we'd cut through them easily. So it proved.
 

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Bentaleb was probably Spurs' best player, surrounded by a shoal of dross. Rose and Walker must be the worst pair of fullbacks I've seen in the top division.

Kept the ball well but I thought he gradually became more and more flustered and started hitting five yard passes just to get rid of it.

There are no words for Rose and Walker.
 

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Walker for that first goal... Jesus. Totally asleep, had absolutely no awareness. Just ended up being drawn to wherever the play was and Cazorla had acres of space. When Carragher said that full backs are either failed centre backs or failed wingers, Walker comes to mind.
 

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Walker for that first goal... Jesus. Totally asleep, had absolutely no awareness. Just ended up being drawn to wherever the play was and Cazorla had acres of space. When Carragher said that full backs are either failed centre backs or failed wingers, Walker comes to mind.

They could just be ripped apart at will. Chiriches looks like a good player but it's irrelevant when the rest of his defence are completely out of sync. I get why AVB tried to shift Dawson. He's just the antithesis of a top defender.
 

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Dawson is so slow and prone to balls played behind him, he's a real weakness on the ball as he keeps making those hopeless long pass. Walker is like playing Lennon at RB, a player full of pace but who is ultimately clueless. Playing 4-4-2 at the Emirates was a bold move by Sherwood. He should have tried to win the midfield battle.
 

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Bentaleb was probably Spurs' best player, surrounded by a shoal of dross. Rose and Walker must be the worst pair of fullbacks I've seen in the top division.

I like Rose, but he's returning from a long term injury so was a big ask for him. He was playing some good football under AvB and looked much better than Walker. Agreed on Walker though, he's ordinary.
 

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I'll be shocked if you guys don't win the league.

City and Chelsea are too inconsistent, and LFC/Spurs/Utd are not even remote contenders at this stage.
 

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To be honest I don't mind if Arsenal win it if we can't. Much rather them than city, liverpool or chelsea. At least the board have alwasy stuck with Arsene even though they haven't won anything for all these years. Plus he's a one man club...so probably deserves one more before he retires!!
 

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For me the main thing about Flamini is when Arteta is out injured we have a good option, he wouldn't get into our first team but in the past couple of years without Arteta our midfield has looked very flaky so he has helped in that respect.

I agree that our midfield let us down in the past but I think our system was far too risky and left us far too exposed.
Arsenal fans will continue to go back and forth on Arteta and Flamini until they realize your whole defensive ethos improving has more to do with your improvements in defensive schemes throughout the team than the players themselves. Both players have played their respective parts in that, certainly Arteta.

Arteta doesn offer the same bite and tenacity that Flamini can. Flamini doesnt look to dictate play in the same way Arteta can. You have to use these abilities throughout a season well if you're going to win anything.

From my view, it has not been because of one player in MF as an explanation for Arsenal's improvement in there defensively. Your improvements has allowed both of these players to showcase what they are capable of in those positions.

I've read tactical analyses on Flamini and Arteta with cases for both being quite valid. It's a matter of preference for who you prefer but despite some of Flamini's poor performances, I like how he's a vocal leader out there in terms of shaping/organizing the defense. It's funny sometimes because he'll do it even when he's having a poor performance and it doesnt really help proceedings
 

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If they can somehow find a top class striker during the summer they'll have a bloody good side. Giroud's good without being quite good enough.
 

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Arsenal fans will continue to go back and forth on Arteta and Flamini until they realize your whole defensive ethos improving has more to do with your improvements in defensive schemes throughout the team than the players themselves. Both players have played their respective parts in that, certainly Arteta.
More important has been a settled back four and a goalkeeper who has rediscovered his form after a poorish season. I prefer Flamini to Areteta, despite Mikel's technical superiority, since I find that the latter often slows the tempo of our play - Matthieu does the simple thing quicker and adds a bit of bite.
 

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Given we have zero chance of winning the league at what point do we start rooting for Arsenal to win games? Because I don't know about you lot but I'd rather they won it instead of Chelsea or City...