Arthur Melo - Juventus's old number five

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Isn't he shit?
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He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
 

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I see what @Yagami is saying and agree in principle - we completely lack a central midfielder than can just straight up pass the ball in the middle of the field, rotate play by keeping it moving, and be good under the press. A central midfielder who’s going to end a game with 70+ accurate passes.

Arthur isn’t the one for us, but a player with that skillset would be greatly appreciated.
Boo. Still unsolved this summer. Frenkie there’s still time…?!
 

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He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
Apart from that he’s great.
 

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He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
Makes the incoming meltdown in here logical then
 

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He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
also seems like he’s had persistent ankle injuries throughout his career? He’ll fit right in.
 

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If he's a starter for them, it'll be a complete change of style through midfield with him next to Thiago. They have the flanks for it, but you'd think that anti-Klopp as it's a high possession base type of football and considerably weaker in winning back the ball.

Who will be the 3rd man in their midfield?
 

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This should be fun.

A player well known for partying, breaking club rules and being an all round dickhead who's been bombed out of Barcelona and Juventus ends up at the Pool.

Late-night parties with Neymar two days before El Clasico, a charge for drink driving and going AWOL at Barcelona
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...versial-past-difficult-Mikel-Arteta-line.html
Juventus' Dybala, McKennie and Arthur Melo fined after attending lockdown party
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/H...-fined-after-attending-lockdown-party/2584808
Arthur Melo, a headache for the Juventus that looks for his exit
https://www.fcbarcelonanoticias.com...entus-that-looks-for-his-exit_275953_102.html
 

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This is a pretty desperate signing for Liverpool. It goes to show how depleted they are for midfield options.
 

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If he's a starter for them, it'll be a complete change of style through midfield with him next to Thiago. They have the flanks for it, but you'd think that anti-Klopp as it's a high possession base type of football and considerably weaker in winning back the ball.

Who will be the 3rd man in their midfield?
I'm sure he'll be a backup for Thiago considering how his injury has affected them. Will either be Thiago or him, can't be both. It'll be Thiago, Fabinho and Keita/Elliot first choice
 

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I'm sure he'll be a backup for Thiago considering how his injury has affected them. Will either be Thiago or him, can't be both. It'll be Thiago, Fabinho and Keita/Elliot first choice
You sure? An all-Brazilian midfield seems to be ideal. Not for goals, but ball retention and enabling the forwards and full-backs to do their thing with impunity, which is a very Brazilian method.

Not sure you want him as cover for Thiago as their skilsets are so different in terms of ball usage.
 

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Sounds like a panic signing. The kid that went to Wolves was a better fit. They're losing their touch.
 

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He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
Sounds a bit like Pogba without the good bits.
 

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You sure? An all-Brazilian midfield seems to be ideal. Not for goals, but ball retention and enabling the forwards and full-backs to do their thing with impunity, which is a very Brazilian method.

Not sure you want him as cover for Thiago as their skilsets are so different in terms of ball usage.
I won't think so, they will need one of their mids to do the legwork as well as join the attack in getting shots away. Fabinho and Thiago should be enough to keep the ball circulating and Elliot to take up the above role. Carvalho can also be one, though he is slightly more attacking then Elliot, basically a #10.

Thiago, Fabinho and Arthur would be an overkill imo.
 

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Too expensive for a backup, IMO. It would be better to take a chance on a rough diamond, instead of hiring a bourgeois midfielder.
 

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Meh, panicking because Henderson has a hamstring injury and we need bodies. I think we’re being horribly mismanaged in terms of our lack of transfer activity when compared to the age of the squad/how long this group have been together.
 

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I won't think so, they will need one of their mids to do the legwork as well as join the attack in getting shots away. Fabinho and Thiago should be enough to keep the ball circulating and Elliot to take up the above role. Carvalho can also be one, though he is slightly more attacking then Elliot, basically a #10.

Thiago, Fabinho and Arthur would be an overkill imo.
The whole point of a Brazilian midfield is that overkill that sucks the opposition in and opens up space all across the attacking line and provides ample opportunities for the 3rd wave of attack (fb's) to go about their business untroubled and often times, unnoticed. If it's Firminho at point, he becomes the player they funnel to if not the wings in order for him to hold up the ball and play the others in around him, or to triangulate play, which is another Brazilian forte that can drive teams to reckless actions trying to break up the play and prevent the carousel. It's not the Klopp style - at all - so it makes me wonder if he is indeed looking for something different in bringing someone like Arthur in who is a very linear, specialist player. Like I said, he's complementary to a Thiago, but a terrible like-for-like because he has nowhere near the passing range or unpredictability to keep opposition honest. Arthur's the guy that alleviates pressure and provides space for Thiago to do something more with the ball after a few combination passes; if you put him into that Liverpool midfield by himself, with nobody to play off of, he's going to struggle and be half the player he can be.

I agree about the legwork, but the whole point of that kind of midfield is that they have the ball and you don't, and you're supposed to be chasing it over and over until you tire and can't pressure anymore, plus, men are committed wide to contain duel threats on both flanks so it's not as easy as getting stuck in or overwhelming them (should they click). Arthur's not your guy for 100mph football, though, nor for grafting, high intensity pressures, so it's a weird signing unless a real shift in philosophy is intended.
 

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From a Juve fan

He doesn’t contribute any forward passes, no goals, no assists, no chance creation. This would all be fine if he was press resistant and controlled the tempo of the game, but he can’t dribble anybody to relieve pressure and only passes side to side and backwards. Along with all this, he will lose the ball in the defensive third with a bad pass or trying to dribble a forward at least 1-2 times a game leading to an immediate chance for the other team.
Yeah he's gone off the boil (attitude, discipline off-field, injuries?) from what i recall, was a very good debut season at Barca where he definitely looked very press resistant and a midfield controller (in the Verratti mould). Also, not sure how he'll adapt to the pace and physicality of the EPL and Klopp's style. He seems a very passive type.
 

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I thought he had retired. Haven't hear about him for years
 

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Meh, panicking because Henderson has a hamstring injury and we need bodies. I think we’re being horribly mismanaged in terms of our lack of transfer activity when compared to the age of the squad/how long this group have been together.
No more Michael Edwards to steer you back to the right direction :drool:
 

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How is this guy still 26? I swear he was playing for Juve 15 years ago.
 

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76m cost transfer to Juv in 20/21 and loan to Liverpool after 2 season!?
What was he done in Juv?
 

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76m cost transfer to Juv in 20/21 and loan to Liverpool after 2 season!?
What was he done in Juv?
His cost wasn’t really 76, they sent Pjanic the other way for like 50. It was FFP shenanigans
 

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Probably hoping he can be their Thiago, while the real Thiago is out injured for half the season as per usual.
 

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That is Felipe Melo
Ah yes. This is the guy who was highly rated and supposedly impossible to get the ball. Everyone was surprised when Barca sold him and then he flopped at Juve.
 

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How is this guy still 26? I swear he was playing for Juve 15 years ago.
I think you might be thinking of 39 year old Felipe Melo who had a spell at Juve. He's still playing in Brazil.

This Melo is known more as Artur. Had big hype when he joined Barca but failed to live upto the expectation.

I really hope Liverpool sign him on a permanent deal as he'll be a player who takes up a slot in the squad and create a headache for them later.
 

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I'd expect him to be a backup. He hasnt been in demand has he, Juventus have wanted rid and there were no takers.
 

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The whole point of a Brazilian midfield is that overkill that sucks the opposition in and opens up space all across the attacking line and provides ample opportunities for the 3rd wave of attack (fb's) to go about their business untroubled and often times, unnoticed. If it's Firminho at point, he becomes the player they funnel to if not the wings in order for him to hold up the ball and play the others in around him, or to triangulate play, which is another Brazilian forte that can drive teams to reckless actions trying to break up the play and prevent the carousel. It's not the Klopp style - at all - so it makes me wonder if he is indeed looking for something different in bringing someone like Arthur in who is a very linear, specialist player. Like I said, he's complementary to a Thiago, but a terrible like-for-like because he has nowhere near the passing range or unpredictability to keep opposition honest. Arthur's the guy that alleviates pressure and provides space for Thiago to do something more with the ball after a few combination passes; if you put him into that Liverpool midfield by himself, with nobody to play off of, he's going to struggle and be half the player he can be.

I agree about the legwork, but the whole point of that kind of midfield is that they have the ball and you don't, and you're supposed to be chasing it over and over until you tire and can't pressure anymore, plus, men are committed wide to contain duel threats on both flanks so it's not as easy as getting stuck in or overwhelming them (should they click). Arthur's not your guy for 100mph football, though, nor for grafting, high intensity pressures, so it's a weird signing unless a real shift in philosophy is intended.
Elliott already does that and he playsat a higher intensity than Arthur, he will be backup.
 

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If there’s a player not suited for the EPL, then it’s him.
 

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You sure? An all-Brazilian midfield seems to be ideal. Not for goals, but ball retention and enabling the forwards and full-backs to do their thing with impunity, which is a very Brazilian method.

Not sure you want him as cover for Thiago as their skilsets are so different in terms of ball usage.
That is all good, but Thiago is Spanish.

Also, by the sounds of it, Artur isn't even very good at retaining the ball.