With some of the crap that's been posted online the last couple of weeks, I think it doesn't matter what is done, whether it is taking a knee or anything else. It won't get through to the small percentage of the idiots who actually go out of their way to be racist.
As Rugby refuses to take the knee, is it time the Premier League stopped too?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Up to the players to decide. Not clubs, but fans, not authorities.
I’ll support whatever the players want to do/ not do.
I’ll support whatever the players want to do/ not do.
Aaha.
Problem solved.
I think murders, assaults and all crimes in the society can be solved like this. All you need to say is "That wasn't my intent".
That and the fact he/she believes racism is a thing of the past, are truly worrying to me. I mean, I meet people like this semi-regularly, but it's always a bit of a shock.
It raises awareness, but that’s about all they can do. In order to convince the actual powers that be to take action against racism whenever it shows up, you need enough people to demand it.
Growing up I frequently saw players having bananas thrown at them on the pitch and a large section of the crowds making monkey noises at black players, there has been one hell of a lot of progression. Yes racism still exists in the UK, but time and very much education has helped eradicate a lot of behaviours that went on in the 70’s, 80’s & 90’s.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, you don’t have to support BLM movement to think racism is wrong.
Taking the knee is a visual reminder that racism is not acceptable, ever.
Are you really comparing those two things?
Huh?
What has this post got to do anything with what you posted below?
Sheeple.
If that were true we'd be in much better place with Covid than we actually are.
'I don't kill other people, I have plenty of friends who are people and I cheer on humans who are playing for my football team. I just killed HIM to unsettle a rival club so it isn't really murder, it's just a tool I used.'
Are you one of those "All lives matter" folk? This whole post smells of it.
Also, sorry but you saying 'racism isn't what it used to be', what's that even mean? Do you reckon folk back in the day were like 'Hey we aren't chaining them up and selling them anymore, so what's the problem with designating seating and not allowing them in my bar?' Just because something isn't as bad as it used to be, does not mean it's all good now. That's an awful argument. We should constantly be trying to push equality and kick racism out of our society. There are many many ways to do it, taking a knee (though it might not be the golden ticket) to keep the awareness raised, is not silly.
Racism isn't something that will just stop, it can very easily creep back into peoples views if no one actively does anything.
I don't think Solius is saying there isn't any racism now. Far from it actually. Zexstream said racism is a thing of the past, Solius is saying it isn't.
Zexstream didn't say racism isn't as bad as it used to be (irrelevant for the sufferer of racism by the way). He said it's a thing of the past, which is inherently false!
To throw out stats like this you would need to show the comparable stats for White deaths in custody with the levels of crime for each group.
In the US for instance the figures that highlight more black deaths also highlight more black crime, they also show more black on black murder. Thus statistics don't show the whole picture.
It's not as overt as it used to be no, but there are still a lot more people out there than you'd think that still harbor these thoughts. Personally I feel it's impossible to ever fully eradicate racism but it would be foolish and cowardly not to try.
My point is as long as people are racist, we should raise awareness and try to tackle racism.
What people need to realise is that when you complain about society's "wokeness" to really important issues, you come across as being a bigot.
I'm sure during the Civil Rights Movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I'm sure during the Suffragette Movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I'm sure during the Internal Resistance Against Apartheid movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I could go on and on, but the crux of the point is by starting dialogue like this, you are openly opposing a social movement that will undoubtedly make the world a better place.
So, in conclusion, I personally believe the only thing that is cringey is this thread and your inability to digest important social issues.
I'm sure during the Civil Rights Movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I'm sure during the Suffragette Movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I'm sure during the Internal Resistance Against Apartheid movement you had people complaining about bringing attention to important issues.
I could go on and on, but the crux of the point is by starting dialogue like this, you are openly opposing a social movement that will undoubtedly make the world a better place.
So, in conclusion, I personally believe the only thing that is cringey is this thread and your inability to digest important social issues.
And my point is that when this action stops raising awareness is the time to stop.
Kick out Racism has been associated with the Premier League for as long as I can remember, even in Online Games etc. Has it actually helped?
If someone is racist I don't think a player taking the knee is going to change their worldview.
Taking a knee does nothing, the whole thing is pointless to me, we need heavy punishments for those we are racist or condone it, not players kneeling down as a sign to oppose it. Everyone should oppose racism and taking a knee has nothing to do with actual getting rid of racism. I find it all strange
There's a general tone to your posts which really really isn't coming across very well. Each post it gets a bit worse.
How do you measure that? When it does, do we just start up something else?
The point was, Racism can be used as a tool.
Someone may not be racist at all but use racism to unsettle a player because it works.
The only way to eliminate online trolls is to have our identities highlighted to social media companies when we sign up for accounts, that way if someone decided to use racially derogatory language or act racist in any way they can be identified and arrested. I guarantee you online abuse would almost end overnight.
Invisible. Educate those other people, in private please, not ME!
This is basically the same as people who reflexively react with 'this isn't the time and place for this' to each and every method of protest against something they personally don't have a problem with.
This paragraph shows a distinct lack of awareness as to what institutional racism is.
As an aside, the knee is for Kick It Out / Anti-Racism... Not BLM (if you really care about that sort of distinction)
Anyway, this idea that "Taking the Knee" does nothing is, in itself, false... the fact that before every game, something happens that makes you think - either consciously or sub-consciously - about race issues, is something. Is it a lot? No, but then this is literally a 2 second gesture... it isn't meant to change the world, just make you think, even for a second... On top of that it impacts nobody negatively, doesn't take up any time at all, and by and its only downside is that it literally stops you watching the game for a whole 2 seconds (shock horror!) , so why anyone would be "against" it or feels it has to end is beyond me. What is the harm?
Anyway, this idea that "Taking the Knee" does nothing is, in itself, false... the fact that before every game, something happens that makes you think - either consciously or sub-consciously - about race issues, is something. Is it a lot? No, but then this is literally a 2 second gesture... it isn't meant to change the world, just make you think, even for a second... On top of that it impacts nobody negatively, doesn't take up any time at all, and by and its only downside is that it literally stops you watching the game for a whole 2 seconds (shock horror!) , so why anyone would be "against" it or feels it has to end is beyond me. What is the harm?
I think players making such a pronounced statement such as taking the knee makes it far more likely clubs, leagues etc will start handing out larger fines and heavier punishments.
I'm sure Rashford had the same kind of sceptism aimed at him when he first ventured into his quest to help end child poverty. But it all depends how you measure it. Does marketing directly help sales?
But most of all I think the question you need to ask yourself is - why does this campaign bother me?
Interesting. How do you identify a racist then? Mind reading?
It’s the players’ choice. No one else should have a say in this.
I don't really understand how it helps but I don't care that they do it. I'd actually like to see all media questions deflected by the players and managers and have them talk about rascism.
How does someone using racism as a tool to unsettle a player not make them a racist? Bizarre logic here.
https://fullfact.org/law/bame-deaths-police-uk/
https://assets.publishing.service.g...dy_A_review_of_the_international_evidence.pdf
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/race-report-statistics
Employment
- unemployment rates were significantly higher for ethnic minorities at 12.9 per cent compared with 6.3 per cent for White people
- Black workers with degrees earn 23.1 per cent less on average than White workers
- in Britain, significantly lower percentages of ethnic minorities (8.8 per cent) worked as managers, directors and senior officials, compared with White people (10.7 per cent) and this was particularly true for African or Caribbean or Black people (5.7 per cent) and those of mixed ethnicity (7.2 per cent)
- Black people who leave school with A-levels typically get paid 14.3 per cent less than their White peers
Education
- just 6 per cent of Black school leavers attended a Russell Group university, compared with 12 per cent of mixed and Asian school leavers and 11 per cent of White school leavers
- Black Caribbean and Mixed White/Black Caribbean children have rates of permanent exclusion about three times that of the pupil population as a whole
Crime
- Rates of prosecution and sentencing for Black people were three times higher than for White people,18 per thousand population compared with six per thousand population for White people
- for sentencing it was 13 per thousand population for Black people and five per thousand population for White people
- in England and Wales ethnic minority children and adults are more likely to be a victim of homicide
- the homicide rate for Black people was 30.5 per million population, 14.1 for Asian people and 8.9 for White people
- White women are more at risk of domestic abuse than ethnic minority women, with 7.4 per cent reported being victims of abuse compared with 4.4 per cent of ethnic minority women
- race hate crimes on Britain’s railway networks have risen by 37 per cent
- In England, 37.4 per cent of Black people and 44.8 per cent of Asian people felt unsafe being at home or around their local area, compared with 29.2 per cent of White people
- Pakistani or Bangladeshi and Black adults are more likely to live in substandard accommodation than White people
- 30.9 per cent of Pakistani or Bangladeshi people live in overcrowded accommodation, while for Black people the figure is 26.8 per cent and for White people it is 8.3 per cent
- if you are an ethnic minority person, you are still more likely to live in poverty. Our evidence shows that 35.7 per cent of ethnic minorities were more likely to live in poverty compared with 17.2 per cent of White people
- in Scotland, ethnic minority households are more likely to experience overcrowding, with 11.8 per cent for ethnic minority households compared with 2.9 per cent for White households
Health and care
- There is a significant disproportionate number of ethnic minorities detained under mental health legislation in hospitals in England and Wales
- Black African women were seven times more likely to be detained than White British women
- Gypsies, Travellers and Roma were found to suffer poorer mental health than the rest of the population in Britain and they were also more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression
What is this marketing telling people, Racism is bad. How many people are going to say, well I never knew that!
How many Racists watch players taking the knee and say to themselves, well I guess I had better stop being racist.
Bending the knee raises awareness to who? Those who didn't know racism was bad?
Sadly, there is a lot of ignorance in this post. I almost don’t know where to start....At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
They could stop doing it tomorrow or keep doing it forever for all I care.
Though I will say that every time I see someone argue against it in the braindead manner of the OP, I suddenly feel a resurgence of active support rising up within my heart.
Though I will say that every time I see someone argue against it in the braindead manner of the OP, I suddenly feel a resurgence of active support rising up within my heart.
Am I right in saying the premier leagues ‘taking the knee’ isn’t ‘black lives matter’ anymore but it’s ‘no room for racism’ (or a different campaign that I can’t remember)?
I hate to break it to you, but this means that person is racist.
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Have you been living under a rock?
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