Eriksen
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Oh wow, what an outrage!
I'd forgotten about that, clever poem.Rape Joke: A Poem by Patricia Lockwood ~
http://www.theawl.com/2013/07/rape-joke-patricia-lockwood
What about the term "Facebook rape"
Frape is friendlier a term
I don't like it, either, but I do think it's slightly different. Adding the letter just makes it less evocative.So is using the word " frape" acceptable just because there's an f at the beginning? I'm interested.
As crude as it is, its an apt description of what it is. Despite the origins of it, frape is a word in itself now.I don't like it, either, but I do think it's slightly different. Adding the letter just makes it less evocative.
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/11/12/rapists-who-dont-think-theyre-rapists/Rapists are sick human beings. Psychopaths, narcissists. Certainly not someone I'd call a "normal chap".
Yeah, I know, you're saying "but how can you know who is one?". Some are hard to spot for sure, but it's not like you can't train yourself to recognize these kind of people.
Unless you can provide a reason why making a rape joke on twitter directly affects solving or preventing rape crimes then no it isn't more than enough reason, it's not even close to enough reason.It probably wouldn't ever be the case with people (kids) who have been properly raised and educated. Not everyone is properly raised and educated, though. And there's a side to this which is usually downplayed in these debates. It's a fact (a perfectly objective fact) that many rape victims still - in this day and age, even in so-called progressive socities - hesitate to report what has happened to them because they're worried about not being taken seriously. And the number of cases which are never properly investigated seem to justify their worries.
Using the rape metaphor senselessly in all sorts of contexts where it isn't even remotely apt doesn't help. There may not be be any direct correlation between the (ab)use of the word and criminal stats (I'm sure it isn't) - but the widespread and thoughtless use of the analogy may directly contribute to worsening the plight of the victims. And that's more than enough reason to stop using it, surely.
Why on earth does it matter whether or not the harm caused is direct?Unless you can provide a reason why making a rape joke on twitter directly affects solving or preventing rape crimes then no it isn't more than enough reason, it's not even close to enough reason.
What you are saying is that saying something may affect someone else in a negative way but we don't know for sure so let's just stop doing it anyway. I wonder how many words/scenarios we can apply this train of thought to until we aren't left with much to say at all.
Where do you get that facts from? Did the 73% admitted they have raped? False accusations of rape happen a lot nowadays, many ppl have been convicted without evidence, just because judges tend to believe the women.73% of rapes are committed by a non-stranger. 40% take place IN THE VICTIM'S HOME. Another 20% take place in the home of a relative, neighbor or friend.
The United States Department of Justice. And now you are going on ignore because I can't be bothered with this again.Where do you get that facts from? Did the 73% admitted they have raped? False accusations of rape happen a lot nowadays, many ppl have been convicted without evidence, just because judges tend to believe the women.
Despite the origins of it, 'rape' now also means to be humiliated by your opponent, in a sporting event.As crude as it is, its an apt description of what it is. Despite the origins of it, frape is a word in itself now.
I choose to live my bloody life and wear what I want, drink what I want, walk in whichever alley I want and not have to live in fear that some coward who can't get laid will attack me. Why do women in general have to change their lifestyle to pacify criminals ? Is it a crime to consume alcohol or have a fun night with your friends..no. The crime is sticking your dick into someone without their consent. It's an act of cowards who look for every little excuse to justify their dirty deed. Nobody is to be blamed for their actions but the rapist for being a weak cowardly asshole.Please, just because you avoid dark alleys doesn't mean you won't get mugged. In the right area you are at risk wherever you go. The same applies for rape. You can choose not to get so drunk you can't resist assault, you can choose to not get drugged by showing some awareness, you can choose not to go home with like 5 men you just met "to party". Of course you can still be assaulted in the street or betrayed by some psycho you thought you knew, but obviously you can do something to lower the risk significantly.
You don't have to. You can take any risk you want.I choose to live my bloody life and wear what I want, drink what I want, walk in whichever alley I want and not have to live in fear that some coward who can't get laid will attack me. Why do women in general have to change their lifestyle to pacify criminals ? Is it a crime to consume alcohol or have a fun night with your friends..no. The crime is sticking your dick into someone without their consent. It's an act of cowards who look for every little excuse to justify their dirty deed. Nobody is to be blamed for their actions but the rapist for being a weak cowardly asshole.
So if a woman gets very drunk and doesn't watch her drinks, therefore gets drugged and raped, is it her fault?Please, just because you avoid dark alleys doesn't mean you won't get mugged. In the right area you are at risk wherever you go. The same applies for rape. You can choose not to get so drunk you can't resist assault, you can choose to not get drugged by showing some awareness, you can choose not to go home with like 5 men you just met "to party". Of course you can still be assaulted in the street or betrayed by some psycho you thought you knew, but obviously you can do something to lower the risk significantly.
Of course not. The same way if I walk down a dodgy street on my own at night and get mugged it's not my fault.So if a woman gets very drunk and doesn't watch her drinks, therefore gets drugged and raped, is it her fault?
Some of you people have an insane imagination. No. Obviously not.So if a woman gets very drunk and doesn't watch her drinks, therefore gets drugged and raped, is it her fault?
But what you're saying is that she could have done something differently? Because, to me, that sounds like you're saying it's partly her fault. "Well, why did you get so drunk that you opened yourself up to being raped?"Some of you people have an insane imagination. No. Obviously not.
Yes, men being convicted without evidence because of all those feminist judges is a real problem in western justice systems.Where do you get that facts from? Did the 73% admitted they have raped? False accusations of rape happen a lot nowadays, many ppl have been convicted without evidence, just because judges tend to believe the women.
Suggesting people take precautions against danger is not victim blaming. What are you suggesting? We tell people they should take no action in life to lower the risk of something happening to them?But what you're saying is that she could have done something differently? Because, to me, that sounds like you're saying it's partly her fault. "Well, why did you get so drunk that you opened yourself up to being raped?"
You're apportioning some blame -- if not all of it -- onto the victim. You're saying, "if you'd acted like you should have done, this wouldn't have happened".
Yes. That's what I'm saying. I'm - imagine the horror of it - suggesting that peuerile, thoughtless fecking nitwits on the Internet stop using rape as an analogy for beating someone in a game of football. That is exactly what I'm saying.Unless you can provide a reason why making a rape joke on twitter directly affects solving or preventing rape crimes then no it isn't more than enough reason, it's not even close to enough reason.
What you are saying is that saying something may affect someone else in a negative way but we don't know for sure so let's just stop doing it anyway. I wonder how many words/scenarios we can apply this train of thought to until we aren't left with much to say at all.
Stats please.Where do you get that facts from? Did the 73% admitted they have raped? False accusations of rape happen a lot nowadays, many ppl have been convicted without evidence, just because judges tend to believe the women.
Same here. Basically a small group of males trying to intellectualize why it should be used.I've yet to read, in this thread, a single reasonable & non-self-excusing defence of the rape metaphor; even the - pathetic - Brazil/Germany thing is flawed (unless you're suggesting that Brazil allowed the 'rape' to happen...'cos that's what you claim their appalling defending permitted, isn't it?).
So, bring it, you shining lights of social liberty and free speech; Voltaire misquotes n' all.
Trouble is, you can't intellectualise it. There is just something inherently creepy and distasteful about using the word "rape" as a metaphor for thrashing an opposing team. There are far better words that can be used.Same here. Basically a small group of males trying to intellectualize why it should be used.
Except that rape does not have to mean forced sex. Go to Dictionary.com and look up the meaning of raped. There are legitimate ways to use the word when describing a sporting event.Maybe people have been using crude metaphors for thousands of years but for thousands of years, raping people was hardly frowned upon in a lot of cultures. The standard of decency isn't really any different its just the age of people using these words because of overexposure on the internet, case in point - this exact situation - the world cup. 9 year old have phones now, and when a 9 year old boy goes on twitter and sees "man Germany totally raped the shit out of Brazil today" they think its awesome and they will continue to use rape in common practice. Thats not right.
The problem, and others in a similar vein, has more to do with the legacy of previous generations' misuse; in fact, the historic & traditional treatment of women as second-class people and mere playthings for men.you either get used to it or become a grumpy old man/woman who constantly complains about the young generation's language.
Yes, if you're a clown with the vocabulary of 12-year old. Dictionary definitions of varying quality can't disguise the sentiment behind the misuse of the word.There are legitimate ways to use the word when describing a sporting event.
Same thing is true for historic & traditional treatment of the black people and the n-word, yet it's in a very common use nowadays.The problem, and others in a similar vein, has more to do with the legacy of previous generations' misuse; in fact, the historic & traditional treatment of women as second-class people and mere playthings for men.
Yeah...generally by people who haven't thought things through. And I include black people amongst those.Same thing is true for historic & traditional treatment of the black people and the n-word, yet it's in a very common use nowadays.
It certainly isn't common among whites, unless it's behind closed doors. If anything it may be common as a term of endearment among those who seek to reclaim its meaning for the pain of the past.Same thing is true for historic & traditional treatment of the black people and the n-word, yet it's in a very common use nowadays.
By black people, that's the distinction.Same thing is true for historic & traditional treatment of the black people and the n-word, yet it's in a very common use nowadays.
I'm not an expert in the young generation's slang, but there is a McDonald's close to where I live and there are usually a bunch of kids hanging around, most of them are white I guess - I hear them calling each other the n-word all the time.It certainly isn't common among whites, unless it's behind closed doors. If anything it may be common as a term of endearment among those who seek to reclaim its meaning for the pain of the past.
You just described 99% of the young generation.You're using some of the worst possible examples of dysfunctional cultures, FT: the gaming community (famously enlightened when it comes to gender); Facebook (not at all populated by trolls); and...well, let's just call them white kids who occasionally want to be black (except for the bad bits like slavery, racism etc etc).
I guess you have read my post about the rape sexual fantasies and how common they are among women. It's very counter intuitive and it looks like psychologists have been studying it for decades. English is not my first language and I thought that "fun fact" describes well something that is hard to believe, but true.Fun fact: Don't use crappy, glib, smart-arse phrases like 'fun fact' or 'pro tip' and expect your arguments to be taken seriously in a discussion of this nature.