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So we’re getting Barca’s champions leagues as well as city’s domestic titles then? Sweet
He made some interesting statements today:
Laporta even hinted that Tebas might be leaking this information to the press. And it wouldn't surprise me, after he got forced by the court to register Gavi, because they didn't accept the pathetic attempt to change the ffp rules in the last second to deny Gavi's registration. Tebas's agenda against barca is more than obvious and the press conference on this matter will be interesting.
One question is, if Barça were demoted, would they survive financially? What will happen to the financing agreements buying their CL rights? Sponsorships?
Is bankruptcy an option? Really start from scratch?
Blrlrlrlrlrlr. Well said.I'd applaud Niemans and his in depth list of incidents, pictures and video links and all, but it occurs to me that Barcelona fans think any 50/50 decision that doesn't go their way is equivalent to mass murder so I wouldn't be surprised if he just has a dossier of these lined up.
But, really, Barcelona fans complaining about not getting decisions is like a serial killer complaining that the police won't let them spark up during the interrogation.
It's the sheer incredulity of it all though. Barcelona fans think they have a God given right to success. Not winning 11 years on the bounce is clearly a sign of outside corruption etc. You see it every game with their players surrounding the ref. How dare he give one of us a yellow card for hacking down an opponent at the ankles?! Mes qué un cnuts indeed.
At least United fans can admit when they've had lucky decisions. But Barcelona? Nah, it's always excused and justified with venomous defence like we're seeing in this thread.
The ones who have to proclaim themselves morally superior are always the ones who aren't, and they know it deep down. That's why they feel the need to paint themselves better than the rest.
Such a sly dig. But quite amusing.Could this be applied to all the folks who are against the Qatar bid?
NoCould this be applied to all the folks who are against the Qatar bid?
Such a sly dig. But quite amusing.
I actually haven’t got a club but I was always under the impression that Barcelona B are considered a separate club not a reserve team. Maybe someone could explain how these b teams actually function.Wouldnt the entire club get demoted? Barca B and all?
There’s no agenda against your club. You fecked yourselves financially. Tebas has been doing his best to have Spanish clubs operating within their financial means. There’s 19 other clubs in the league that also adhere to his rules. You have also fecked yourself by being exposed to acting unethically. There’s no excuses. You’ll get more respect for admitting to this shit show than by digging a trench and standing firm that your innocent in any wrong doing.He made some interesting statements today:
Laporta even hinted that Tebas might be leaking this information to the press. And it wouldn't surprise me, after he got forced by the court to register Gavi, because they didn't accept the pathetic attempt to change the ffp rules in the last second to deny Gavi's registration. Tebas's agenda against barca is more than obvious and the press conference on this matter will be interesting.
I actually haven’t got a club
they are reserve teams, in Spain they compete in the same pyramid instead of having a separate leagueI actually haven’t got a club but I was always under the impression that Barcelona B are considered a separate club not a reserve team. Maybe someone could explain how these b teams actually function.
Wouldnt the entire club get demoted? Barca B and all?
There’s no agenda against your club. You fecked yourselves financially. Tebas has been doing his best to have Spanish clubs operating within their financial means. There’s 19 other clubs in the league that also adhere to his rules. You have also fecked yourself by being exposed to acting unethically. There’s no excuses.
Is this a prank?You are completely misinformed. Those statements can not be further away from the truth.
First of all, having an agenda against the club and making bad financial decisions are not mutually excluded. Everyone who follows Tebas's statements towards barca, his whole behaviour throughout the years towards our club and the league's attempts to change the rules unprecedentedly mid-season, which only! affected barca at that perticular moment are more than enough hints to call it an obvious agenda, driven by selfish reasons, which even harms the league he is president of.
You are right, that there are 19 other clubs in LaLiga. And that's, where your knowledge ends unfortunately. Half of those teams had trouble to register players last summer. You'd know this if you'd follow the spanish league. Atletico had to blackmail barca and put their best player on the bench until barca lowered his already agreed fee, so they avoid punishment. Sevilla had to sell Kounde and Diego Carlos. Their 2 best defenders. Betis Sevilla had problems to register players like Luiz Felipe and they had to defer his salary into the future. Betis's directors did a cash injection to help with this. Valencia sold Guedes and Soler. All because of Tebas's ffp. And there are more examples if you want them, more than 10 clubs had difficulties to register players in the summer.
According to Tebas, all clubs who'll sign his CVC deal lose all financial problems and have a bright future. Well, those clubs signed Tebas's CVC deal and Sevilla's bright future is fighting for relegation after being forced to sell their 2 top defenders. So much for adhering Tebas's rules.
Now back to Tebas and his agenda. After Barca and Madrid declined his CVC deal (because it was horrible), the CVC deal still went through, but without Barca and Real participating, you can imagine how much smaller the deal was in the end and that means, how much smaller the commission money also became for him. It was his personal deal and nobody intelligent has any doubts he collected that money into his own pocket. Then Barca and Madrid pushed for the Superleague, which endangers even more tv money under Tebas's rule.
Now imagine this. You are a far right minded guy in general, because you were in right-wing parties in your youth, you support even now right-wing parties like VOX. How do you feel about a club like Barcelona, which always supports the catalan and their fight for independence. Well pardon me for that dumb question, because you don't have to imagine it, you can just reread it on his twitter account. When catalans started to vote for their independence in 2017 and when Madrid sent their Guardia Civil to beat up old grannys infront of the voting booths, he threatened every catalan based club to expel them from LaLiga. A president, who is a nationalist and a Real Madrid fan is not affected by his believes? Redicilous.
But to make it a bit shorter, I'll just give some examples of the near past. He constantly rambles about Barca's financial situation on his twitter account and talk shows, whenever he is invited somewhere. This season, he talked countless times about whom barca can't sign or can't register. Half of LaLiga's teams couldn't register players last summer, but this guy mostly talks about Barcelona day in, day out. The club had to bring out an official statement of his based behaviour to slow him down. Does he forget his duty of neutrality as LaLiga's president?
Then LaLiga under his command changes the ffp rules mid season, unprecedentedly without any warning or consultation to hinder Barca to register Gavi. Barca announced Gavi's renewal in september in according to the ffp rules, but LaLiga changed it's rules coincidently 2 weeks later in november and the only player of the whole league affected by it was Gavi. How naive you have to be not to see an agenda here. The club was forced to go to court and the court ruled in our favor. Tebas was furious about it and instantly appealed. After that humiliating lose before court for Tebas, Laporta and Alemany gave a press conference on LaLiga's one-sided biased behaviour towards our club in changing randomly their ffp rules which only affect barca at that moment, like forbid levers that were allowed before, or Gavi's registration example.
And by the way, our fecked up financial situation was allowed and approved by Tebas under Bartomeu's rule and you know why? Because Bartomeu promised him to sign his CVC deal. Tebas even said back in the days, that we could keep Messi if we sign his deal. Is that a behaviour of a neutral, unbiased president or of someone, who is driven by own greed and emotions?
And last, but not least. COINCIDENTELY information about those shady payments to Negreira leak after barca wins in court and Laporta and Alemany attack Tebas for his unjustly behaviour towards our club. And which outlet had this information first hand? El Mundo, a Madrid newspaper. Where do they get their information from you might ask yourself. Well for one, Tebas is quoting their news very often on his twitter account.
They were also the ones leaking Messi's whole contract back in the days. Access to this contract have only a limited amount of people. Messi himself, Barca and LaLiga. Since the leak damaged Messi's and Barca's reputation, you can guess who was most likely to leak the full contract to them. To make it simple, there is only one option left. LaLiga.
As I said several days before, the spanish league is a swamp of corruption, self-interest and favoritism. Especially for right-wing nationalists like Tebas. I understand, that it's all hard to believe for someone who isn't following this shit show day in, day out. But most scandals, leaks and other things in LaLiga have an agenda behind it, especially as long as Tebas still rules there.
That would give me diabetes tbhSo we’re getting Barca’s champions leagues as well as city’s domestic titles then? Sweet
Tbh this looks like it came straight from google translate. Anyway forgive my ignorance but that RFEF means Madrid also did the same?Caso Negreira? Caso Soule!
Breaking news from today (22/2/23):
"The Soule cause investigates the alleged irregularities in the management of Ángel María Villar at the head of the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF).
LaLiga, with Javier Tebas at the head, requested the judge who instructs the cause the imputation of Victoriano Sánchez Arminio, former president of the Technical Committee of Referees (CTA) and direct boss of Enríquez Negreira, for the alleged diversion of 8 million euros to the arbitration establishment."
Note: "alleged diversion of 8 million euros to the arbitration establishment"!
"The Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office has supported the request of La Liga in the framework of the Soule case and has requested the imputation of the former president of the Technical Committee of Referees (CTA) until 2018 Victoriano Sánchez Arminio. The entity led by Javier Tebas asked the National Court to investigate him for the alleged diversion of 8 million euros that the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) allocated to the referees."
Note: "allocated to the referees"!
"The deceased former director of Fútbol Barcelona, Josep Contreras Arjona, linked to the Negreira case as an alleged commission agent, was apparently also implicated in an alleged hole of 22.2 million that was generated within the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF)."
Note: "22.2 million... within ... RFEF"!
There's one big struggle, broken alliances all over the place, a domino of shady businesses, and omertà at stakes. Eviva España!
The highlights of Laporta's conference is that he did not deny the information of these payments at any point nor did he speak about the fact neither of both Tata Martino and Valverde had ever seen the reports. Also, note that Laporta did not accept questions from the media.
Because this wasn't a conference, but a short statement about what is happening. The real press conference with all evidence will be held shortly, after the outsourced investigation is finished. You don't hold a press conference on half baked facts. Then we will see, what kind of evidence he will bring forward and we can judge the situation based on this. Until then, everybody needs to relax a bit.
I also wouldn't think you'd mention Valverde as an argument, if you'd read his whole statement and not his taken out of context statement Madrid press is showing everywhere.
Because Valverde also said, it's completely normal to have referee's reports in spain. His team gets it even now in bilbao.
Just wait until Ovrebo decides to whistle blowBarca fans are something else. No accountability whatsoever. They were caught with their hand in a cookie jar, but all we hear is some half-ass rambling about conspiracy against them.
Some background info here:Caso Negreira? Caso Soule!
Breaking news from today (22/2/23):
"The Soule cause investigates the alleged irregularities in the management of Ángel María Villar at the head of the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF).
LaLiga, with Javier Tebas at the head, requested the judge who instructs the cause the imputation of Victoriano Sánchez Arminio, former president of the Technical Committee of Referees (CTA) and direct boss of Enríquez Negreira, for the alleged diversion of 8 million euros to the arbitration establishment."
Note: "alleged diversion of 8 million euros to the arbitration establishment"!
"The Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office has supported the request of La Liga in the framework of the Soule case and has requested the imputation of the former president of the Technical Committee of Referees (CTA) until 2018 Victoriano Sánchez Arminio. The entity led by Javier Tebas asked the National Court to investigate him for the alleged diversion of 8 million euros that the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) allocated to the referees."
Note: "allocated to the referees"!
"The deceased former director of Fútbol Barcelona, Josep Contreras Arjona, linked to the Negreira case as an alleged commission agent, was apparently also implicated in an alleged hole of 22.2 million that was generated within the Royal Spanish Football Federation (RFEF)."
Note: "22.2 million... within ... RFEF"!
There's one big struggle, broken alliances all over the place, a domino of shady businesses, and omertà at stakes. Eviva España!
Yeah, I would give it a like if I could.@Messier1994 : thanks for the detailed report. Very good read indeed.
Forgive my ignorance, I don't know if that will turn out to incriminate Real Madrid, or any other LaLiga club, but I seriously doubt it.Tbh this looks like it came straight from google translate. Anyway forgive my ignorance but that RFEF means Madrid also did the same?
Oh it's me who was ignorant not you mate.Forgive my ignorance, I don't know if that will turn out to incriminate Real Madrid, or any other LaLiga club, but I seriously doubt it.
RFEF president is Luis Rubiales, sporting director is José Francisco Molina; neither has an attachment to Real Madrid. And neither did long-time president Ángel María Villar, the man at the center of the scandal that's rocked Spain for a while and is still looming in the air (Caso Soule f.e.).
We're witnessing discoveries made by Spanish authorities, and so far nothing points towards any wrongdoings by others than Barca.
And yes, guilty of not having copyedited. Forgive my lazyness, I have by now.
At first I thought Valverde's statement had been taken out of context, but then I heard the audio itself (@FreckBarca told me to do so) and he clearly said he didn't see those reports in Barcelona and that he didn't even know they existed.
And Tata Martino also said the same thing.
Valverde said:Es algo común lo de los informes de los árbitros", explica, antes de enumerar aspectos clásicos de este tipo de seguimientos a los colegiados como pueden ser "estadística que tiene, alguna apreciación que nos hacen" y otras cuestiones como "tarjetas"
El técnico explicó que en Bilbao también realizan informes de los árbitros, "llegan a Jon Aspiazu (segundo entrenador), yo veces lo miro, Sendoa (delegado) me comenta algo…"..
And yes, refereeing reports are normal everywhere. Every club, in most top leagues, has them. So the issue here is the provenance of those reports, not that they had them - or indeed as Valverde and Martino said, that those reports never made it to them either
Yes, he said that. But he also said reports from referees are completely normal in spain. His coaching team also gets them in Bilbao and his assistant looks through them.
That's the part of his statement, Madrid's press leaves conveniently out most of the time they're quoting him.
(Personally I wouldn't read posts from users with such usernames as Freckbarca, because their intention is pretty clear. But that's only me.)
Some background info here:
-Negreira lost his position when Villar (the president of the FA) lost his position. They really seem linked.
-Villar is the figure on which the whole 'Villarato' theory revolves. Barca helped him openly win the election to become the president.
-Sanchez Arminio, president of the Referee Committee and superior of Negreira, is the guy who, according to newspaper ABC, said "Real Madrid is not well considered within this institution" (refering to the refs)
-Josep Contreras Arjona is a former high executive of Barcelona of the same time. It is a polemic guy who was accused of corruption within the Catalonian Football Federation. He died some months ago. Frankly, my wild guess is that Barca are gonna put the blame on him.
https://www.marca.com/radio/2023/02/22/63f66a1446163f28568b456c.htmlOptimista para resolver la situacion: "El implicado no es solo el Barça, es el CTA y es la Federacion, que también es responsable, aunque no al mismo nivel. Yo ha visto a Negreira en el palco del Barça y su papel era que hacía los informes no para el Barçaa, sino para el Comite de Árbitros sobre la actuación del árbitro. Tenia un cargo importante, mas allá de si era una estafa".
Optimistic about resolving the situation: "It's not just Barça who are involved, it's the CTA and the Federation, which is also responsible, although not at the same level. I have seen Negreira in the Barça box and his role was to make reports not for Barça, but for the Referees Committee about the referee's performance. He had an important position, regardless of whether it was a scam.