DM wasn't much at fault tonight. The game was lost in Manchester were we played too defensively. What worries me is our attitude. We get a 1-1 draw against Bayern at home and many of us are celebrating and saying how proud they areA fit Rooney gets two goals tonight...
We lost and the hindsight brigade will have all the answers as to what we should of done but I think DM got most things right tonight....
After second bayern goal that was another shitty deflected shot, uniteds legs were gone!!!
Rooney is a big problem right now. Moyes doesnt have the balls to drop him when he should.Jeeze, I've just read some slagging Rooney. He clearly wasn't fit and probably should have started on the bench - everybody blames Moyes for everything all season and maybe one of the things he does get wrong everybody blames Rooney.
It is what it is, we tried our best but ultimately outclassed by the best team in the world -be proud of the lads given the amount of stick they've had this season.
I am not criticising Rooney as a player, but Moyes has to stand up for himself and should have as you said left Rooney on the bench.Jeeze, I've just read some slagging Rooney. He clearly wasn't fit and probably should have started on the bench - everybody blames Moyes for everything all season and maybe one of the things he does get wrong everybody blames Rooney.
It is what it is, we tried our best but ultimately outclassed by the best team in the world -be proud of the lads given the amount of stick they've had this season.
tbf SAF has played an unfit Rooney too and it has back fired on him, but Moyes inability to motivate a team which is trailing or make the right substitutions is more the issue.That might be the problem in the long run. He should have just said, get yourself fit.
If Rooney isnt fit then DM shouldnt have played him. An injured player is useless against these sort of clubs.Jeeze, I've just read some slagging Rooney. He clearly wasn't fit and probably should have started on the bench - everybody blames Moyes for everything all season and maybe one of the things he does get wrong everybody blames Rooney.
It is what it is, we tried our best but ultimately outclassed by the best team in the world -be proud of the lads given the amount of stick they've had this season.
We did have chances to win it, but the gulf in class was always likely to make the difference. Our players can't cling onto leads or come back after going a goal down. Players in key positions are over the hill, and we don't have real leaders in this team.hardly impossible. we had the chances to bury it. valencia 1/4 of a yard offside. welbz clear through on goal. rooney with an easy chance in this one. plenty of opportunities to get ahead. just don't seem to have the personnel to cling onto a lead though
Souness is actually making some fair points about Bayern never allowing the crowd to "be nervous".Sourness is annoying me.
Its Moyes' fault? Catch a feckin grip wee man!eins zwei drei, goodbye Moyes goodbye
Watching one with American commentators, on a stream that won't maximise!
Stupid phrases like "shoot the pass" and similar nonsense.
Worth the pain if we can somehow magic a goal. But we're not getting any possession to even get a corner or free kick.
I agree, but Fergie did the same against Bayern (and a few other teams) back in 2010. He went for it, the tactics - as with the first leg - were good and when it was drawn if you'd given me a score of 1-1 in Bayern, 2-2 on aggreagate after an hour of the second leg I'd have said "fantastic" so I won't fault anything.If Rooney isnt fit then DM shouldnt have played him. An injured player is useless against these sort of clubs.
However I wonder, does DM has the balls to keep Rooney on the bench?
Welbeck's cutback was the best chance in the game. Rooney should be loaned out to FC United.Rooney bottled that: he should've slipped Kagawa in and scored from Welbeck's cutback in 2nd.
agreed! On a side note, today is a cup final, why would Januzaj not be given more minutes to play! His coming on for the last few mins really couldn't create magic could he? If tonight is not the time to let him shine (i believe he would have if given more time on the pitch) don't know when he shouldKagawa had a great game today. Worked his ass off defensively too, especially during the first half.
sorry, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I'm just miffed, that's all. While he's to blame other days, I don't blame him today.Its Moyes' fault? Catch a feckin grip wee man!
FFS - we couldnt have had a tougher tie... They would have rode us even if we had Fergie. Get to grips that we dont have technically gifted players like Bayern have - that actually show up on the night. Kagawa would waltz into the Bayern team on that alone - no-one else...
What are you on about? He's been scoring goals regularly in recent weeks..he's probably been our best player for the past 2 month. I fact along with DDG he's arguably been one of our best players all season.Rooney is a big problem right now. Moyes doesnt have the balls to drop him when he should.
You may be right. However if he left Rooney on the bench then people would have said that hes got balls. SAF was accused of getting his tactics wrong once in a while but he never shyed away from making controversial decisions. He got respect for that.I agree, but Fergie did the same against Bayern (and a few other teams) back in 2010. He went for it, the tactics - as with the first leg - were good and when it was drawn if you'd given me a score of 1-1 in Bayern, 2-2 on aggreagate after an hour of the second leg I'd have said "fantastic" so I won't fault anything.
I think Moyes is in a lose-lose situation from what you are saying, he would probably have been right to keep Rooney benched - if he did and it ended the same way he gets slaughtered. Given how it ended he did play Wayne and maybe he wasn't fit but he played him because it was our biggest game of the season and he's our biggest player and I understand that - I don't think it's anything to do with "having the balls to bench Rooney". Proud of the lads overall.
It is down to the players to concentrate and Evra is getting renown for not doing that. Tonight showed why that back four needs some new recruits. It is hard to know if Buttner would have been better, could he have been worse. We will never know.Its Moyes' fault? Catch a feckin grip wee man!
FFS - we couldnt have had a tougher tie... They would have rode us even if we had Fergie. Get to grips that we dont have technically gifted players like Bayern have - that actually show up on the night. Kagawa would waltz into the Bayern team on that alone - no-one else...
I don't think he means about his form, it more the point if his injury was impairing his play.What are you on about? He's been scoring goals regularly in recent weeks..he's probably been our best player for the past 2 month. I fact along with DDG he's arguably been one of our best players all season.
In other seasons you would be right but after being thumped recently by a city and Liverpool team that aren't as good as bayern it was a good result.DM wasn't much at fault tonight. The game was lost in Manchester were we played too defensively. What worries me is our attitude. We get a 1-1 draw against Bayern at home and many of us are celebrating and saying how proud they are
In other seasons you would be right but after being thumped recently by a city and Liverpool team that aren't as good as bayern it was a good result.
After their equaliser, if we had made some changes, and got a goal, then who knows. Seriously using subs correctly is key. Moyes still needs to learn.Jeeze, I've just read some slagging Rooney. He clearly wasn't fit and probably should have started on the bench - everybody blames Moyes for everything all season and maybe one of the things he does get wrong everybody blames Rooney.
It is what it is, we tried our best but ultimately outclassed by the best team in the world -be proud of the lads given the amount of stick they've had this season.
Sorry man . Fair play to ya for posting that..sorry, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I'm just miffed, that's all. While he's to blame other days, I don't blame him today.
@DomesticTadpole @Loublaze - See my response to Devlish, wasn't meaning to ignore you're replies to my last post.You may be right. However if he left Rooney on the bench then people would have said that hes got balls and some idea of what tactics are. It seem that Rooney is irreplaceable under Moyes which kind of put doubts whose the real manager is.
FFS, he's playing only because he had an injection. Any manager should take that into account and deploy players accordingly!!!!What are you on about? He's been scoring goals regularly in recent weeks..he's probably been our best player for the past 2 month. I fact along with DDG he's arguably been one of our best players all season.
overall agree with this post.Probably a good idea to leg it outta here. Cant handle braindead posting slaggin off the team, when we were odds on for a hiding to nothing when the draw was made. The lads acquitted themselves as best they could, but they're not good enough. Its not Moyes' fault we didnt win ffs... We dont have quality players in CM to even pass the feckin ball. Major changes are needed. Defence was superb though. Moments of lapses cost teams & we dont have a MF to get us back into the game against good sides!
Some lads I was watching it with said the same, even myself said "get Hernandez on and stretch them!" but I bet seeing Rooney starting most were happy with Moyes - it was a mistake in hindsight maybe, but a mistake with the best intentions.After their equaliser, if we had made some changes, and got a goal, then who knows. Seriously using subs correctly is key. Moyes still needs to learn.
I don't think it's any harm that expectations have been lowered. The only problem will be if things don't improve.that's what worries me. Moyes has lowered our expectations so much. Instead of him stepping at United level we seem moving towards Everton. I know I may sound unfair but thats the standards that we need to set. If Moyes cant handle it, then he should resign.
I think that we played badly in the home game. Bayern dominated us, our 27m signing looked so out of depth and Bayern got a great result against us (1-1 at home is a killer in the CL). Today we did much better. I cant fault DM for the loss apart from maybe playing an injured player.@DomesticTadpole @Loublaze - See my response to Devlish, wasn't meaning to ignore you're replies to my last post.
I think you're assuming too much saying the bolded above - you may have personally but think some will pick up on Moyes for anything and not give him credit for the way we played for 2 and a half hours of this tie sadly pal.
To put a different spin on things, not to cause an all our war in here but I think Moyes has Rooney playing as well this season, as he has in 5 years. Yes he is clearly Moyes' talisman and will likely be captain next season but I don't think Moyes thinks of him as undroppable from where I'm looking at it - different people take different views of it I suppose.
He's a problem when the manager can't drop him for the good of the team. Do you think he was fit enough to play? I doubt you do.What are you on about? He's been scoring goals regularly in recent weeks..he's probably been our best player for the past 2 month. I fact along with DDG he's arguably been one of our best players all season.