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Henry & Gnash ought to be disqualified on the basis of being cheating cnuts - beyond the pail.
If Barca had bought henry 2-3 years earlier Henry-Eto-Messi would be comfortable winners.I remember Henry, Eto'o and Messi scored 100 goals between them in a season which is pretty astonishing.
With Ronaldinho in his prime feeding them tooIf Barca had bought henry 2-3 years earlier Henry-Eto-Messi would be comfortable winners.
Well then Messi wouldn't have been in his prime.If Barca had bought henry 2-3 years earlier Henry-Eto-Messi would be comfortable winners.
91 vs. 88 doesn't tell the whole story. Cristiano, Benzema, Bale have played 10,930 minutes of football this season. Messi, Suarez, Neymar have played 9,720 minutes. The difference comes from Suarez' ban, Ancelotti not rotating his players while Luis Enrique takes off Neymar and Suarez from time to time and from Madrid playing some extra games (Supercopa, Club World Cup ...). So per 90 minutes it is:To be fair Ronaldo, Benzema & Bale have 88 goals between them so bizarrely enough the 91 isn't stupidly impressive.
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To be honest, as good as they've been, I still dont think that they've quite clicked yet. Which isn't to criticise them, more to say that there remains the prospect that they could improve.Don't know about "best in history" but it's stupidly good. Besides the pure numbers they also complement each other so well. Messi the playmaker who can do everything. Neymar with the pace, movement and trickery. Suarez with the physicality and relentless workrate.
While true, up until around the early 60s the majority of teams played with a front 5 with two wingers, so the three central players could certainly be described as a front three. In which case you have to talk about the Hungary trio of Hidegkuti, Kocsis and Puskás from the early 50s with 19 goals in 5 games in the '54 WC, or 198 goals in 222 games throughout their combined national careers!Strange to talk about "best front three in history" when until fairly recently most teams played with a front two.
Formations have never been that rigid so I see no reason to apply strict rules here. Last year Madrid played a lopsided 433/442 in much the same way we played a 433/4231 in 06/07 in much the same way Brazil played a 424/433 back in 1958. It all depends on your interpretation. I personally would say they're all closer to a 433 variant than a 442/424/4231 variant. Di María/Giggs/Zagallo as the left-sided centre mid providing width on the left when needed but primarily leaving that Marcelo/Evra/N. Santos while they tucked in and created from a slightly deeper central position, with Bale/Ronaldo/Garrincha much more advanced on the right hand side.Why are so many just mashing any old 3 attacking players in successful sides together and calling them front 3's?
Shouldn't the default criteria for this question be reliant on those who actually played in a 4-3-3 formation?
Generally, any 2-man front line with an AM behind them is seen as a partnership, not a trio... so this thread is rather confusing.
You're effectively selecting the three best attacking players then.Formations have never been that rigid so I see no reason to apply strict rules here.
I personally would never associate Pele in a trio, nor a large percentage of those named as such in here. Zagallo and Didi were key components in what made them a 5, if anything - I've never heard of an associative trio of Pele/Vava/Garrincha, personally.Last year Madrid played a lopsided 433/442 in much the same way we played a 433/4231 in 06/07 in much the same way Brazil played a 424/433 back in 1958. It all depends on your interpretation. I personally would say they're all closer to a 433 variant than a 442/424/4231 variant. Di María/Giggs/Zagallo as the left-sided centre mid providing width on the left when needed but primarily leaving that Marcelo/Evra/N. Santos while they tucked in and created from a slightly deeper central position, with Bale/Ronaldo/Garrincha much more advanced on the right hand side.
It's entirely appropriate to describe Pelé/Vavá/Garrincha and Pelé/Tostão/Jairzinho as trios, in my opinion. On topic it's entirely relevant to mention them in this list too!
I don't think it's a case of just selecting the three best attacking players, personally. Zagallo was the legs in midfield, Didi was the brains from deeper and Pelé, Vava, Garrincha were the explosive force up top. I'm fairly certain Brazil scored a classic counter-attacking goal in that final with Pelé picking up the ball in his own half, knocking it out wide to Garrincha who then crossed it for Vavá to tap in in a way that was entirely indicative of their relationship. Zagallo for me was not part of that and Didi just roamed where he pleased, whereas the other three where regularly playing off of each other.You're effectively selecting the three best attacking players then.
I personally would never associate Pele in a trio, nor a large percentage of those named as such in here. Zagallo and Didi were key components in what made them a 5, if anything - I've never heard of an associative trio of Pele/Vava/Garrincha, personally.
With Pele and 'partnerships' it's more likely you'll hear: Pele-Garrincha or Pele-Coutinho than anything else; 3's, 4's 5's.
But I dunno *shrug* just reducing it to stated 4-3-3's and 3-4-3's would reduce the trios and options considerably, so probably best to leave it as is.
...Has no one really said BEST-LAW-CHARLTON? and there I was thinking I'm on a united forum!
Charlton played behind the front 3, otherwise it would be a clear winner. Example: in the 1968 European Cup final, the front 3 was Best, Kidd, Aston (Law was injured).
I did, but as part of a front 5, not 3.Surprised nobody has mentioned
Hidegkuti
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Kocsis
I mentioned those when listing fours (add Zagallo and Rivelino). They were front fours, not trios, so I'm inclined to agree with @Fortitude in that this has turned into "list any three big names that happened to play together".It's entirely appropriate to describe Pelé/Vavá/Garrincha and Pelé/Tostão/Jairzinho as trios, in my opinion. On topic it's entirely relevant to mention them in this list too!
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could argue Raúl-Morientes and Zidane, more so than Del Piero-Inzaghi and Zidane
Some awesome front fours (Zagallo-Pelé-Vavá-Garrincha, or Rivelino-Tostao-Pelé-Jairzinho, or Boniek-Rossi-Bettega with Platini behind them) and fives before that.
It is largely correct to say the great teams moved from front 5s to front 4s, then suddenly dropped to 2/or 1-2, and 3 has been more common since the 00s.
Zagallo has mentioned in the past that he didn't like Saldanha's 424 and changed it to something more akin to a 433, so I completely disagree on the 1970 side. The 1958 and (to a lesser extent) 1962 sides were generally seen as front fours but I think that has a lot to do with them being seen in the context of tactical conventions in their time.I mentioned those when listing fours (add Zagallo and Rivelino). They were front fours, not trios, so I'm inclined to agree with @Fortitude in that this has turned into "list any three big names that happened to play together".
If that's the case, the BBC, last season wasn't a front three(Di Maria). Then it could be argued that barca always played with a front four(iniesta). It could be argued that Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo weren't a trio(giggs)I mentioned those when listing fours (add Zagallo and Rivelino). They were front fours, not trios, so I'm inclined to agree with @Fortitude in that this has turned into "list any three big names that happened to play together".
It's exactly the same as the '58 side with a more incisive/attacking right winger (Garrincha/Jairzinho) and a slightly withdrawn/midfieldery outside left (Zagallo/Rivelino).Zagallo has mentioned in the past that he didn't like Saldanha's 424 and changed it to something more akin to a 433, so I completely disagree on the 1970 side. The 1958 and (to a lesser extent) 1962 sides were generally seen as front fours but I think that has a lot to do with them being seen in the context of tactical conventions in their time.
Fair point. But then, I suppose it is on that basis that you mention Zico-Eder-Serginho and ignore Socrates. And what about Falcao? Wasn't he a vertical player? You basically end up with a messy definition based on individual takes on what players were supposed to do. On the other hand, I do agree in that it has always grated me how profoundly ignorant people can be of how that 4-2-2-2 worked and how it wasn't "narrow".If that's the case, the BBC, last season wasn't a front three(Di Maria). Then it could be argued that barca always played with a front four(iniesta). It could be argued that Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo weren't a trio(giggs)
Essentially its about understanding players' roles in a team and what each player contributes to an outfit. Watch the old games over and its obvious those sides have a front three just on the face of it, it doesn't look like it. Rivelino was the vertical side midfielder(ditto giggs, iniesta, di maria) while the others were strictly attackers. He'd join in later than them as the 4th attacker, but in essence he's the 3rd midfielder. The one that's able to breach the opposition midfield lines with vertical dribbling or intelligent playmaking.
Our 07/08 side was using pretty much the same formation as the 1970 brazil side. Tosta(Rooney), Pele(Tevez), Ronaldo(Jairzinho), Giggs(Rivelino), scholes(Gerson), Carrick(Clodoaldo).
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned more often. They were legendary.Gre-No-Li
Not really…Was Charlton Law and Best considered a front three ?
CheersNot really…
In the mid 1960's we played 433 with Crerand, Charlton and Best in midfield and Herd, Law and Connelly/Aston up front.
In the late 1960's the 433 was Crerand, Charlton and Best in midfield with Kidd, Law and Aston up front. In 1967/68 when Best scored 28 goals Denis Law was injured much of the time. So Best was pushed into the front three and John Fitzpatrick came into the team and/or David Sadler pushed further forward.
Charlton played up front in the late 1950's and then on the left wing from 1960-1964.
Charlton, Law and Best never really played as a front three.
As individual talent goes? 100%, but the reason people say Villa-Messi-Pedro was a better frontline was because they played consistently for Barca as that side reached its absolute peak. I mean, throw Neymar and Suarez in for Villa and Pedro (in that team) and it would probably be a far better side -- although, tbf, Villa was at one stage one of the best strikers in world football.Messi 45
Neymar 28
Suarez 18
= 91
With at least 9 more games to go and Suarez missing the beginning of the season and taking another few months to adapt and get going. Which already makes it more impressive in my opinion, especially without prime Xavi and Iniesta creating in midfield. Problem with Henry-Eto'o-Messi is that Messi was nowhere near as decisive in 2008 as he is now. Eto'o was still Barca's top scorer for example.
Neymar-Suarez-Messi is comfortably better than Villa-Messi-Pedro. That entire Barca side as a unit was better (better pressing, tactical edge, Puyol, Abidal, Alves in their primes, Xavi and Iniesta in their primes) but certainly not Villa and Pedro better than Neymar and Suarez. Both had bad dips in form in the 2nd half of the season in 10/11. Pedro scored 1 league goal between February and May and Villa scored 4. Again nostalgia if you ask me. That Barca side was all about the midfield. A player like Pedro shouldn't even be part of an "all time" discussion. Obviously got to deliver the trophies first but I think it's fair to conclude already that Suarez isn't inferior to Villa and Pedro isn't even compareable to Neymar.
Aye, scary proposition if they all click. The beauty of it is that non of them are truly "individualistic"/greedy. They rake up assist for one another like it is going out of fashion.The goal Neymar just scored now after a dummy from Suarez will go into the highlight reel for these 3. The narrator mentioned that's now 97 goals between the 3 of them this season.