Taking the cultural element aside which i don't believe anyone here's argument that they've never come across blacking up before. Even worse if this wasnt a player they liked i doubt they'd be defending him.
You're saying Suarez' use of "black" wasn't racist because racism doesn't exist in Uruguay?
We literally have the same history when it comes to shows and use of blackface. So stop talking shit.
Indeed and yet I can't help but be surprised at the lengths some people go to flaunt their ignorance, like being a socially stunted dullard in a time of massive cultural change is a huge achievement or something. Well done guys, you're going to be someone's annoying bigoted uncle or aunt some day – I hope all those awkward silences and eye-rolls you're going to suffer at the dinner table bring you some semblance of peace in your otherwise pitiful lives.
Username checks out.
“feck you guys, I’m going home”I mean, all we're asking for is some logic. This is arguably the worst post in the whole thread (and there have been many)...
Uncle or Aunt? That is incredibly insensitive.
I was in the process of posting a response to someone else making that equivalence, so I'll just tag you in.
As others pointed out, it's not like Downey Jr. came up with that, the scriptwriter(s) did. Besides, his character is parodying method actors who go to extreme lengths to get in character. He's stuck up his own arse, and you're supposed to find him ridiculous and laughable for turning himself into a black man for a role. Both because it's pretty extreme, and also because it's pretty offensive. Throughout the film, Chino (the actually black guy) keeps calling him out and telling him things he says or does are offensive.
So this role that Jr (I know Jr didn't come up with it and it would be the writer of course) plays is ok, but a person dressing in a fancy dress costume and not stereotyping (Robert Downey Jr role stereotypes an awful lot) is not ok?
I think context is really important, Downey Jr had over an hour of screen time to establish that the gag was at his expense for how he was behaving.
And how was Griezemann behaving?
I've no idea, from the picture I saw he seemed to be having a good laugh. I don't get invited to many Christmas parties full of multi millionaire professional footballers, I know I think it is a travesty too.
It's thick, especially in the modern day world.
These shows weren't limited to America.
I must be thick then.
Are you talking about Griezmann for posting it on twitter, or for people not knowing about the Minstrel shows?
Think about what? Do I need to personally be outraged? I don't get offended by what other people do. I know why this is a controversy but that doesn't mean most people on this thread should be offended by it.
Yeah, I wonder what's so offensive about it. Nothing to do with the portrayal of black people in minstrel shows, nope. Sit down and think about it.
Errm...
Madrid ends blacking up of characters in post-Christmas tradition
Spain promises to find black person to play Balthazar in three kings cavalcade and the Netherlands drops ‘Black Pete’ from Christmas parties
The Dutch version of Santa Claus and his sidekicks known as Black Pete in Hoorn, north-western Netherlands in 2013.
Anti-racism campaigners in Spain and the Netherlands were celebrating on Thursday after two long-criticised traditions involving white faces being painted black were abolished.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/17/madrid-ends-blacking-up-post-christmas-tradition
They shouldn't because there isn't a history of white people being discriminated against, by black people using white face. Would they give a shit? In this era of petty whataboutery, most likely.
People are not interested in discussing what black face is. They are too preoccupied in being outraged with a white guy painting his face.
He got a lot of flack for that.
Yes. Chino constantly calls him out for his offensive stereotypes. Kirk Lazarus, in his pursuit to become the most methodest of actors, has crossed a line and is just being ignorant and offensive. You're not supposed to look at him and go "hah, perfect portrayal of a black person", you're supposed to go "holy shit what a monumental moron". The whole point is that what he's doing is not OK, and he's the only one who doesn't get it.
It's pretty jarring, and I think they could have done without it. I don't think Aykroyd is racist, but that's not exactly one of his highlights. It was also 30 years ago, and a lot has happened since then.
The whataboutism is what gets to me. You'd think (what I assume are) grown ups would be able to come up with better arguments than "but they did it!", sometimes referring to things that are not even remotely comparable (like, in this case, Tropic Thunder and White Chicks).
Ask Michael Jackson.
Movies from the 80's shouldn't serve as a barometer for what's acceptable (goes for movies in general, really). Or is rape, sexism, racism and rampant homophobia still something we think is hilarious?
