You do notice that we were 1-0 down after less then a minute because the English Baresi made a mistake? And you do notice that the English Maldini kept committing brainfarts until we were 2,3,4-0 down? You also notice that our first preference was Pep but he opted for Shitty probably because it was a much easier job?I agree we have come problems in the players, the main one being they simply don't care (welcome to modern football). But Jose dropped a giant, smelly bollock yesterday, we fully deserved to get thrashed because his inevitable negative tactics were foresaw and outdone before we even got on the pitch.
Never said the players were faultless, but we were so deep in our own half most of the time we were literally asking them to attack us. And has Jose not fecked about with shaw he probably would have started, then blind might well have been in the middle and not at lb and we could have seen a few less ridiculous goals.You do notice that we were 1-0 down after less then a minute because the English Baresi made a mistake? And you do notice that the English Maldini kept committing brainfarts until we were 2,3,4-0 down? You also notice that our first preference was Pep but he opted for Shitty probably because it was a much easier job?
Sure Mou shouldn't have played Fellaini and I also doubt the wisdom of playing Ibra in every game but you can't really blame the result on Mou.
Absolutely. Why would a manager take any responsibility for a team's performance?You do notice that we were 1-0 down after less then a minute because the English Baresi made a mistake? And you do notice that the English Maldini kept committing brainfarts until we were 2,3,4-0 down? You also notice that our first preference was Pep but he opted for Shitty probably because it was a much easier job?
Sure Mou shouldn't have played Fellaini and I also doubt the wisdom of playing Ibra in every game but you can't really blame the result on Mou.
Oh comeon. You're blaming him because Smalling was an idiot?Absolutely. Why would a manager take any responsibility for a team's performance?
Of course not. As I said no one should ever blame a manager for a team's performance. It's like how David Moyes shouldn't be held responsible for Sunderland not winning a match this season. Not his fault at all.Oh comeon. You're blaming him because Smalling was an idiot?
They were far from faultless, they were the ones to blame. Sure Mou could have done better. However not even SAF could win if his CB keeps committing silly mistakes like that. He literally gifted them the game and made sure that we wont be able to get a result. It was simply embarrassing.Never said the players were faultless, but we were so deep in our own half most of the time we were literally asking them to attack us. And has Jose not fecked about with shaw he probably would have started, then blind might well have been in the middle and not at lb and we could have seen a few less ridiculous goals.
My preference wouldn't have been pep either tbh, but doesn't really matter who we did/didn't want first. One way or another we chose Jose.
I can't comprehend how them 2 are on the pitch at all right now. Ibra has been useless in front of goal recently, but he was so far back in the first half, when we were trying to get back in the game he was level with herrera on several occasions leaving fellini up front somehow. I can only assume Jose has told them to do this because I didn't see him losing his shit over it. I think we were wanting to do a van gaal and boot the ball to fellaini, but we couldn't even manage that.
Do you think that SAF could win the game if Smalling kept gifting goals to Chelsea?Of course not. As I said no one should ever blame a manager for a team's performance. It's like how David Moyes shouldn't be held responsible for Sunderland not winning a match this season. Not his fault at all.
Of course not. SAF never won a match that Smalling played in.Do you think that SAF could win the game if Smalling kept gifting goals to Chelsea?
SAF did lost games because of brainfarts made by defenders. I can list a number of games including a CL defeat were Rafael costed us the game or Andy Cole's misses who costed us a CL final. Prior to that we had the likes of OShea, Phil Nev (who can forget his Isisesque tackles inside the box, what a player) and Silvestre who were quite renowned for their mistakes.Of course not. SAF never won a match that Smalling played in.
It seems like we're arguing when I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with you. I don't think we should expect Mourinho to win another game this season given what he has to work with. I for one wouldn't blame him in any way if we don't.SAF did lost games because of brainfarts made by defenders. I can list a number of games including a CL defeat were Rafael costed us the game or Andy Cole's misses who costed us a CL final. Prior to that we had the likes of OShea, Phil Nev (who can forget his Isisesque tackles inside the box, what a player) and Silvestre who were quite renowned for their mistakes.
Also he also got tactics wrong a couple of times too. Our last 2 encounters against Barcelona in the CL final we were only present on the pitch for the combined time of 20 minutes. The rest it was humiliating.
If you want to discuss Mou tactical mistakes during the game, Im all for it. However you need to acknowledge that this squad is simply not good enough and that Smalling costed us the game and no one else.
When will it be good enough though? How much more do we need to spend to get there? Is an extra £500m enough?SAF did lost games because of brainfarts made by defenders. I can list a number of games including a CL defeat were Rafael costed us the game or Andy Cole's misses who costed us a CL final. Prior to that we had the likes of OShea, Phil Nev (who can forget his Isisesque tackles inside the box, what a player) and Silvestre who were quite renowned for their mistakes.
Also he also got tactics wrong a couple of times too. Our last 2 encounters against Barcelona in the CL final we were only present on the pitch for the combined time of 20 minutes. The rest it was humiliating.
If you want to discuss Mou tactical mistakes during the game, Im all for it. However you need to acknowledge that this squad is simply not good enough and that Smalling costed us the game and no one else.
I'm sorry. But I disagree. Sure the club is responsible for hiring a manager who failed miserably just a few months back and agreeing to said manager's requests to sign players for their reputation over their value or capacity to help the club.To all exclusively blaming the manager (who I'm not a big fan of), are you all absolutely crazy? We have had three managers of different schools of thought and styles of play and the players have risen to the challenge of none of them. You are letting the players away with murder, even BBC pointing out the team casually strolling around after and swapping shirts.
I remember losing 3-0 or 4-3 away at Newcastle about 2000 or so and it felt like the entire world was falling in. Keane was going absolutely mental, got sent off and the entire country was rejoicing in the "turmoil". Why do you allow the wool to be pulled over your eyes, of course these guys are incredibly talented, of course they're "good enough" on some level. But the majority do not have what it takes to face the situation the club is in right now.
The squad is failing the manager and the fans and receiving no consequence other than us throwing yet another manager under the bus despite all evidence pointing to the players.
Look this sarcasm is weary me down. So here is what I think. Smalling costed us the game fullstop. You cant blame the manager if the plan goes tits up after 30 seconds and Smalling keeps committing mistakes again and again. No manager can anticipate that either. Smalling is not Rio but he's better then this.It seems like we're arguing when I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with you. I don't think we should expect Mourinho to win another game this season given what he has to work with. I for one wouldn't blame him in any way if we don't.
Strictly speaking very few squads are ever perfect and that's why you have managers to help eliminate those weaknesses. Liverpool have a glaring hole at LB, CB and their midfield is a collection of average Joes but they are blazing through the league because of their manager's input and how they have bought into it as a squad. Same way with City and Chelsea, they have their issues too but their manager's impact is visible. Our manager's game plan was thrown out of the window through a brainfart but that's no excuse for what ensued after or the absence of a plan B. We conceded four goals but how many clear cut chances did we create? Very few because we were set up for a 0-0 hoping for a moment of brilliance or set piece. The lack of a clear attacking plan is clear.SAF did lost games because of brainfarts made by defenders. I can list a number of games including a CL defeat were Rafael costed us the game or Andy Cole's misses who costed us a CL final. Prior to that we had the likes of OShea, Phil Nev (who can forget his Isisesque tackles inside the box, what a player) and Silvestre who were quite renowned for their mistakes.
Also he also got tactics wrong a couple of times too. Our last 2 encounters against Barcelona in the CL final we were only present on the pitch for the combined time of 20 minutes. The rest it was humiliating.
If you want to discuss Mou tactical mistakes during the game, Im all for it. However you need to acknowledge that this squad is simply not good enough and that Smalling costed us the game and no one else.
I honestly can't answer to that. Shit had now hit fan. The team needs major rebuilding and god knows if players can gel with one another and do well. Its one thing being a good player whose settling in, a stable system, with good quality players who'll help you settle down. Its another being part of chaotic system were most players are shite and you have to stand up and be counted upon from day 1. Ince had Robson to help him settle down, Keane had Ince, Scholes had Keane and Carrick had Scholes. Pogba has erm Fellaini and a 35 year old Carrick whose legs are long gone.When will it be good enough though? How much more do we need to spend to get there? Is an extra £500m enough?
Its one thing having weaknesses and its another having entire departments which are simply not good enough. The defense is lead by Smalling FFS. We've got a failed winger and a failed CM as full backs, a no 10 as DM and we have to play strikers on the flanks because our wingers can't dribble. We're playing those players not because the manager is crazy but because we have no choice. Schneiderlin, Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Depay, Lingard, Young, Rooney...are simply not good enough. Mkhitaryan is still struggling to find his formStrictly speaking very few squads are ever perfect and that's why you have managers to help eliminate those weaknesses. Liverpool have a glaring hole at LB, CB and their midfield is a collection of average Joes but they are blazing through the league because of their manager's input and how they have bought into it as a squad. Same way with City and Chelsea, they have their issues too but their manager's impact is visible. Our manager's game plan was thrown out of the window through a brainfart but that's no excuse for what ensued after or the absence of a plan B. We conceded four goals but how many clear cut chances did we create? Very few because we were set up for a 0-0 hoping for a moment of brilliance or set piece. The lack of a clear attacking plan is clear.
We won the league with Cleverley in midfield and Evans in defense, both playing more league games in Fergie's last season than Scholes and Vidic. The problem seems to be that, apart from Klopp, there's no managers now who're better than the players they have to their disposal, so unless you have world class players on most positions, you can't do much apparently.I honestly can't answer to that. Shit had now hit fan. The team needs major rebuilding and god knows if players can gel with one another and do well. Its one thing being a good player whose settling in, a stable system, with good quality players who'll help you settle down. Its another being part of chaotic system were most players are shite and you have to stand up and be counted upon from day 1. Ince had Robson to help him settle down, Keane had Ince, Scholes had Keane and Carrick had Scholes. Pogba has erm Fellaini and a 35 year old Carrick whose legs are long gone.
Rebuilding should have been done years ago. We should have assessed possible weaknesses, we should have brought in the players we needed and we should have allowed them time to settle down. Instead we left sentimentality rule over, by keeping players WAAAAAAAYYY past their expiry date and letting top quality players go because we simply didn't had the courage to tell players that their time was up. We just spent 80m+ on a midfielder whom we gave away for free. However we couldn't break Scholes, Giggs and Fletcher heart could we? + it was only a matter of time before it was Ando/Cleverley's year
But we have Carrick, Schweinsteiger and Mkhitaryan who have been frozen out and our best player from last season dropped whilst Mourinho chose to play Blind over Shaw on his own. Valencia is one of the best right backs in the PL atm so its a null point to call him a failed winger and Herrera has played holding mid before in his career. Let me reiterate, its the manager that chose to play Ibrahimovic over Rashford/Martial, its him that chose to play Fellaini over Carrick, him again that chose Lingard over Martial - selections which reduce the team's overall creativity and it's no wonder we have scored one goal in our last three league games.Its one thing having weaknesses and its another having entire departments which are simply not good enough. The defense is lead by Smalling FFS. We've got a failed winger and a failed CM as full backs, a no 10 as DM and we have to play strikers on the flanks because our wingers can't dribble. We're playing those players not because the manager is crazy but because we have no choice. Schneiderlin, Darmian, Rojo, Jones, Depay, Lingard, Young, Rooney...they are simply not good enough.
Don't take me wrong. Its crazy that Mou insists on Ibra when its evident that we need pace upfront. Id say give Ibra some rest and play Martial or Rashford there. However blaming the manager because of this is stupid
Yeah at a time when we could also rely on the likes of Carrick, Scholes, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Giggs, Rooney (who was still useful) and RVP. SAF tactics were simple. He squeezed the last drop of talent out of his oldies by keeping average players around to do the leg work. Guess what happened once the oldies retired/weren't good enough anymore?We won the league with Cleverley in midfield and Evans in defense, both playing more league games in Fergie's last season than Scholes and Vidic. The problem seems to be that, apart from Klopp, there's no managers now who're better than the players they have to their disposal, so unless you have world class players on most positions, you can't do much apparently.
Carrick is not frozen out. He's 35 ffs. He needs to be carefully managed because his legs are gone. Mkhitaryan is still struggling to gain form. I also have ?? about Shaw talent. I guess he had become a great player the Da Silva/Jones way ie by sitting pretty in the treatment room. I fully agree on the Ibra caseBut we have Carrick, Schweinsteiger and Mkhitaryan who have been frozen out and our best player from last season dropped whilst Mourinho chose to play Blind over Shaw on his own. Valencia is one of the best right backs in the PL atm so its a null point to call him a failed winger and Herrera has played holding mid before in his career. Let me reiterate, its the manager that chose to play Ibrahimovic over Rashford/Martial, its him that chose to play Fellaini over Carrick, him again that chose Lingard over Martial - selections which reduce the team's overall creativity and it's no wonder we have scored one goal in our last three league games.
Then we've spend £300m on new players to become worse, and that includes Mourinho's signings apart from Bailly. It's incredible isn't it? Talk about lack of value.Yeah at a time when we could also rely on the likes of Carrick, Scholes, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Giggs, Rooney (who was still useful) and RVP. SAF tactics were simple. He squeezed the last drop of talent out of his oldies by keeping average players around to do the leg work. Guess what happened once the oldies retired/weren't good enough anymore?
We didn't become worse. Bailly is rock solid, Pogba has more talent then all our CM put together and we've yet to see Mkhitaryan in action. Its just that we've got a loss of dross and it will need time to sort years of mistakes.Then we've spend £300m on new players to become worse, and that includes Mourinho's signings apart from Bailly. It's incredible isn't it? Talk about lack of value.
We certainly isn't better either and for all the talent Pogba has, he's shown very little so far.We didn't become worse. Bailly is rock solid, Pogba has more talent then all our CM put together and we've yet to see Mkhitaryan in action. Its just that we've got a loss of dross and it will need time to sort years of mistakes.
We certainly isn't better either and for all the talent Pogba has, he's shown very little so far.
Its going to get worse before it gets better. It happened already when SAF started with usWe certainly isn't better either and for all the talent Pogba has, he's shown very little so far.
All of Mourinho's signings get a pass because they're still settling in. What's really screwing us is that we have players who have been here years and still look half-cooked as well as obvious deficiencies in our squad from top class players that left and were never adequately replaced.Then we've spend £300m on new players to become worse, and that includes Mourinho's signings apart from Bailly. It's incredible isn't it? Talk about lack of value.
This is just not the 80's, a manager needs to work things out quicker now.Its going to get worse before it gets better. It happened already when SAF started with us
Its still football though. You can surely win with kids but you cant win with a team of donkeysThis is just not the 80's, a manager needs to work things out quicker now.
No, and Mourinho is not manager of Sunderland.Its still football though. You can surely win with kids but you cant win with a team of donkeys
name alone won't make us win the league. We should have learnt that during the era between Busby and SAFNo, and Mourinho is not manager of Sunderland.
So you think our team is one big donkey show?name alone won't make us win the league. We should have learnt that during the era between Busby and SAF
If we keep buying players with the personalities of Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Darmian and Memphis, another £800m won't be enough.When will it be good enough though? How much more do we need to spend to get there? Is an extra £500m enough?
