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Bolivian President Evo Morales resigns after massive protests over election
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What do you reckon happens when that comes true? A full military coup, or will the results be respected?
Probably a military coup. There is an interesting article in The Guardian about what happened in Bolivia. Even some US congressman were questioning OAS in their role in the election and they couldn't answer. So Morales actually won according to the article.
That's why I think it would be a coup.
Ya what happened was a coup against a duly elected govt.
Anez has decided not to run to prevent vote splitting which could mean the right wing will win (based on that poll above).
I guess because her voters would go this Carles Mesa instead? (Sorry, don't know the names at all, just the general dynamics of what's been happening in the recent past.)
same i don't know the names either, but i know she was polling very badly and another right-winger was polling ok (not just in the poll posted here).
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confirms what's been said here i think
https://twitter.com/_adasgupta/ status/ 1308381132543594496
Election day. Reports of intimidation, detainment and threats to election observers. Military deployed while the interior minister has praised the military response after the last election. Hope it doesn't get ugly.
Mate, you are plowing in the sea, they wont listen, they don’t care. They labelled Morales as a leftie, so he must be good. Even when Evo said that homosexuals are deviants, and the cause of that is eating transgenic chickenTechnically He shouldn´t be candidate already from 2014, when used a trick saying that the country had a different name after the constitution (which would be his third term, with two being allowed).
In 2019 he proposed a referendum, to decide if he could participate, lost it but suddenly the electoral court, which has more controversial episodes, decides that he can participate again for human rights
The judiciary at the service of power.
Besides he still has to respond on an audio calling to block the cities and leave them without food, which according to him is another setup.
they wont care.The old left hypocricy at it’s best.
I know Marcos, but it is good from time to time to talk about the characters, otherwise these threads (Venezuela too) end up derailing to blame American foreign policy.Mate, you are plowing in the sea, they wont listen, they don’t care. They labelled Morales as a leftie, so he must be good. Even when Evo said that homosexuals are deviants, and the cause of that is eating transgenic chicken
The old left hypocricy at it’s best.
And that's without talking about their links with the Mexican cartels...
The irony of this post coming immediately after a post detailing examples of authoritarian tools to steal an election is... well, not very surprising, given you seem have come back to the Caf in the form of a bipolar Glenn Beck. But at least you got to use the phrase "old left hypocrisy", so all in all a smashing success for you.Mate, you are plowing in the sea, they wont listen, they don’t care. They labelled Morales as a leftie, so he must be good. Even when Evo said that homosexuals are deviants, and the cause of that is eating transgenic chicken
The old left hypocricy at it’s best.
The lefties defending a guy that fraudulently changed the constitution in order to stay in goverment is part of the old left hypocrisy.
Maybe Trump should do it, just to see you melt in your own shite.
BTW, i don't give two fecks what you think about me, so spare it.
As long as "the lefties" are owned, who cares about democracy in Bolivia?
What is your opinion on what is happening is THIS elections?
thanks for sharing
MAS is going to win. That’s about it.
Interpol had refused the Bolivian governments request for an International Arrest Warrant for Morales.
Not about this. I am talking what do you think about what the current government is doing oganizing this elections (police, military, transparency)
Typical Interpol, a classic leftist organization.
I think is shady that the TSA will give the final results directly, but there are several international organizations controlling the whole process and said that is a reasonable meassure given the current state of affairs.
In argentina we have around 200 thousand bolivians voting and everything seems to be working fine
Because one of then crimes that he is being accused by the attorney -sedition- has political connotatioms
The article that comes up on top doesn't even quote him. So if you were referencing this, it's not a reliable one to make that accusation. I can't find any quotes by him where he says homosexuals are deviants.Mate, you are plowing in the sea, they wont listen, they don’t care. They labelled Morales as a leftie, so he must be good. Even when Evo said that homosexuals are deviants, and the cause of that is eating transgenic chicken
The old left hypocricy at it’s best.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/2010/apr/22/chicken-causes-homosexuality-evo-morales
Upon further digging, this seems like an out of context quote that's been twisted. I don't know the science behind hormones in chicken, but it's seemingly not preferable considering the amount of meat coming out that's advertised as hormone free.
At worst, they're tone deaf, and Morales has also apologized for these comments regardless.
https://en.mercopress.com/2010/04/2...izes-to-spanish-gay-and-lesbian-organizations
Despite out of context quotes, let's focus on material reality. This happened under his government.
https://www.panoramas.pitt.edu/politics/transgender-bolivians-gain-right-change-name-id-cards
Also: "Further seeking to provide legal recognition and support to LGBT rights, it declared June 28 to be Sexual Minority Rights Day in the country, and encouraged the establishment of a gay-themed television show on the state channel."
https://populartimelines.com/timeline/Evo-Morales
He literally says that “when men eat hormoned chickens they have deviations in their being as men”
And he also tried to perpetuate himself as president of Bolivia by spuriously changing the constitution.
that’s all what I said about him
Well... yes, I linked a video. Sure, it was a dumb take and also taken out of context. But nowhere was there mention of homosexual. You and others are reaching. So with that, it wouldn't surprise me if you're misrepresenting the other part as well. I wonder if you took issue with a the coup by right wingers and replaced by a lady who holds up a giant bible.
I doubt she cares much for the rights of LGBTQ+ folks and I'm doubting that you are genuinely interested in their rights too.
Should also add that the coup has ties to the US government and possibly even Elon Musk (We will coup whoever we want). As someone who seems to care about legitimacy of government, I'd like to know how you feel about this?
Same international organizations that said that in the last election there was fraud but in the end it was not?
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN20O2BT
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rales-poll-victory-say-us-researchers-bolivia
Definitely don't send the NYT article where they admit wrongful reporting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/04/evo-morales-vs-gayness-inducing-chicken/341009/Well... yes, I linked a video. Sure, it was a dumb take and also taken out of context. But nowhere was there mention of homosexual. You and others are reaching. So with that, it wouldn't surprise me if you're misrepresenting the other part as well. I wonder if you took issue with a the coup by right wingers and replaced by a lady who holds up a giant bible.
I doubt she cares much for the rights of LGBTQ+ folks and I'm doubting that you are genuinely interested in their rights too.
i see ... so you believe the MIT and i don't
i remember that during that election, when 83 percent of the votes had been counted, the electoral court decided to stop the counting
at that point the difference between Evo and his oponen Mesa was niggling
when the counting started again evo had the 10 percent difference that make it unnecesary a second vote
i don't trust MIT for two reasons: they werent there, and they never explained how the reached that conclusion
And BTW, he was running for his fourth period as president, when the constitution says that a person can only be president for two periods
he reached it by asking the Supreme Court to let him do it, a Supreme Court that was appointed by him
Would you like Trump to do the same? I'd love to see your reaction
Yes, that's indeed an article supporting what @Florida Man said.
Then Florida Man agrees with me that Evo said “"The chicken we eat is loaded with female hormones. So, when men eat it, they tend to deviate from their manhood."
So? Does that e plains Evo fourth tenure? Does it explain how he managed the SC to let him run again?
even if there wasn’t electoral fraud, he is still a leftie that tried to perpetuate in power and non of you care
i'm from a country with a right-wing PM who has 80% approval and no term limits, imo he can rule easily for 20 years more. the SC does not rule against him, some judges have openly praised him. some of the people arrested by him, i know indirectly, and i'm slightly scared for some people in my family.
if a US or chinese organisation decided to interfere in my country's politics i would support him over whatever they are saying and whoever they put forward.
i'm sorry to hear that, i don't know from what country you are, but i think that having that kind of goverment is a disgrace.
i'm not right wing, i mostly adhere to the rights that the socialists pushes for.
But economically i think the left has proven over and over again that they are mistaken.
Also i dislike the leftist hypocrisy, the "we care for the poor" when in reality they just hate the rich.
and when the left turns into comunism is even worse
Citizen protests against Morales began before the report of that organism, based on various episodes during the election day.
People already counted when they arrive at the table, ballots that disappear or are added or people who have died ten years ago who have just voted, votes counted privately in foreign consulates or people who receive money after photocopying documentation.
If those sporadic episodes are common and relevant in any election ... I do not know.
Surely he would have won, because MAS ensures a constant injection of money to certain communities and unions, assured with the levels of corruption in the country
People already counted when they arrive at the table, ballots that disappear or are added or people who have died ten years ago who have just voted, votes counted privately in foreign consulates or people who receive money after photocopying documentation.
If those sporadic episodes are common and relevant in any election ... I do not know.
Surely he would have won, because MAS ensures a constant injection of money to certain communities and unions, assured with the levels of corruption in the country
probably if something did happen to my family my views would change. but so far, while im scared, i still think outside interference is worse.
in bolivia the govt after the coup killed a lot of people, which was not happening at that level before. they have openly talked about their racial superiority. in terms of economic results, bolivia =/= venezuela. (evo = 2006).
nor has the govt been reliant on one thing (oil) like the govt in venezuela, and clearly it does not even have the support of the military unlike the venezuelan govt.
So in your argumentation:
- Is not ok to abruptly stop the count and then show the final results in last elections (and I agree with that) but is ok to not show the real time count now because there is international observants
- Is ok to have international observants (among them OAS) that other reputable institutions (more reputable than them) dismissed based on the data that OAS itself released (why they would need to be there if the conclusions where based on data misinterpreted). You claim falsely that MIT didn't explain. Here is the link:
https://jackrw.mit.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Bolivia_report-short.pdf
- You accuse Evo Morales on LGBT comments (which are disgusting) while they approved some of the most advanced laws during his mandate but say nothing about the ultracatholic current president that she participated in "family" congresses where they oppose completely to any rights for these community
- You find completely normal that the police and military that help putting a government that they vote estimation vote in these elections put Jeanine at fourth position (and had to step down to avoid humiliation) got into the government, to go to the polls and "control" the situation
And you end with an analogy with Trump that is irrelevant in my initial question that is what is your opinion on the current bolvian elections preparations
So far what the current government is doing the same or worse of what you accuse MAS. And the reality is that Bolivians wants MAS with or without Evo.
You can discuss and I will agree with you that Evo shouldn't be allowed on the last elections, but what they did after that was accepted, was a coup and no one else than MAS was supposed to be the ones that held the mandate
certain communities that are the least favourable, the poor rich people like Jeanine they are never corrupt ...sure