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Many in abroad? or you mean just QatarYou know many of these folks will return to iran when the wc is over, right?
Many in abroad? or you mean just QatarYou know many of these folks will return to iran when the wc is over, right?
Jesus, the fecking gymnastics not to answer a question...Many in abroad? or you mean just Qatar
Well many in abroad will surely not be going to Iran after the world cup.Jesus, the fecking gymnastics not to answer a question...
Right, so back to square one, what do you think will happen to those going back to iran if they are in a list of people criticizing the regime abroad?Well many in abroad will surely not be going to Iran after the world cup.
I think you need to read the news my friend. Armed police aren't sitting outside the London office of an Iranian newspaper 24/7 for nothing. Their government is after them wherever they are.They are inhumanely killing people in Iran last few weeks not Iranians protesting outside of Iran. They have no power outside their country.
Are you telling me Iranians protesting in USA are at risk of being killed by the Iranian government?
Man you are funny with your twisting and diversions.Well many in abroad will surely not be going to Iran after the world cup.
Probably bad things.Right, so back to square one, what do you think will happen to those going back to iran if they are in a list of people criticizing the regime abroad?
The tweet was about qatar providing this info. You made fun of someone's reaction asking what they thought would happen, and now you say probably bad things. I mean...Probably bad things.
You said abroad and I am telling you Iranians living in the USA for example will protest without the fear of being killed. Reason why I asked you earlier did you mean abroad or just Qatar.
nice try but not everyone has engaged in chattel slavey colonialism and genocide!All online discours about this world cup just reminds me of this
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But I called the tweet out because it didn't make sense that Qatar will provide the list when Iran probably already do. Also you are making it seem every single person that protested in Iran was killed, many people have protested and are still protesting now in Iran and still alive. So someone can protest and go back without being harmed, you can't say for a fact anyone who returns to Iran after the world cup will be killed either like you are making it seem.The tweet was about qatar providing this info. You made fun of someone's reaction asking what they thought would happen, and now you say probably bad things. I mean...
Isn't the 15k figure only foreign workers (doesn't include Qataris), whereas the figure from the lancet for the uk is all reported deaths in that trade (regardless of nationality)? If so, doesn't that skew the figures? Quite apart from the fact that one dataset (the uk one) was collected a full decade before the other.If we say that all the deaths (15021) in Qatar are construction workers (which is not) but even, no elderly immigrants did not die, no women did die, the number is would be 100 workers death per 100K. Which is still at the same level of young male adults in the age group (20-50) in the UK of all professions.
And is far far better than the construction workers mortality rate in the UK of all ages ~420 deaths /year per 100k
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(17)30193-7/fulltext
Check the first table.
I think I presented enough statistical evidens and I dont think I can put more info into the subject.
No doubt about it. I would have actually boycotted the world cup if it was held in Iran.TBF pretty much every response to that here is questioning it's validity
Still the situation in Iran is terrible - much worse than anything in Qatar on a human rights level
fecking hell mate, what a train wreck of a post.But I called the tweet out because it didn't make sense that Qatar will provide the list when Iran probably already do. Also you are making it seem every single person that protested in Iran was killed, many people have protested and are still protesting now in Iran and still alive. So someone can protest and go back without being harmed, you can't say for a fact anyone who returns to Iran after the world cup will be killed either like you are making it seem.
With Qataris making less than ten percent of locale it would hardly make a differenceIsn't the 15k figure only foreign workers (doesn't include Qataris), whereas the figure from the lancet for the uk is all reported deaths in that trade (regardless of nationality)? If so, doesn't that skew the figures? Quite apart from the fact that one dataset (the uk one) was collected a full decade before the other.
Am I misunderstanding or does this mean that less than 10% of workers in Qatar are Qatari?With Qataris making less than ten percent of locale it would hardly make a difference
This meme would be more apt if you enjoy your bigmac and then when it's my turn to eat you suddenly boycott me for eating meat but then you still enjoy yours.All online discours about this world cup just reminds me of this
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I just googled and it's 11.6 % the rest are foreigners. Qataris are a minority in their own nation just like emiratisAm I misunderstanding or does this mean that less than 10% of workers in Qatar are Qatari?
I simply wrote, ‘FFS hopefully not true’… if that’s ‘freaking out’ I’d hate to think what your subsequent gibbering qualifies as mate.I am calling you out for freaking out over a tweet from a random.
Of course the situation in Iran is terribly awful. Point me to were I defended Iran or Qatar?
They are inhumanely killing people in Iran last few weeks not Iranians protesting outside of Iran. They have no power outside their country.
Are you telling me Iranians protesting in USA are at risk of being killed by the Iranian government?
Mad...did not know that! Still, the two datasets the poster is trying to compare are different in so many ways that the comparison is next to worthless.I just googled and it's 11.6 % the rest are foreigners. Qataris are a minority in their own nation just like emiratis
Right. It's a shame isn't it that people's lives are cheap for capitalist gain and exploitation.reading these posts was awkwardly painful. Regardless of where, people should not die doing their jobs. It’s not about who scores less.
i’m not aiming at the posters, but just upset by the fact that people’s lives have become so cheap.
No chance of that - even FIFA have a line drawn somewhereNo doubt about it. I would have actually boycotted the world cup if it was held in Iran.
*Infantino* - ‘Hold my pint’No chance of that - even FIFA have a line drawn somewhere
What are you on about. The tweet didn't even say Iran nationals protesting in Qatar but the list of Iran nationals who travelled. So I was confused why they will fear going home when they just went to watch the games. The tweet didn't even claim Iranian protestorsI simply wrote, ‘FFS hopefully not true’… if that’s ‘freaking out’ I’d hate to think what your subsequent gibbering qualifies as mate.
And regarding the rest of what you wrote - the concern would be for Iranian citizens returning home (World Cups are over in a matter of weeks, they don’t continue endlessly, unlike your mental gymnastic postings in here).
You’re having a mare here mate, and imo the situation in Iran is a bridge too far for the daft whataboutism game, people are being fecking murdered and it’s out of hand.
What a daft thing to say. Why would I disrespect the dead? stupid post and you talk about putting words in your mouth.fecking hell mate, what a train wreck of a post.
You moved the goal posts on what you originally said, you put words in my mouth that I never said, and in the middle you even managed to disrespect the many dead in recent weeks in iran.
…ooookayDisrespect even to spell Iran with a lower case "i"
Imagine someone in the ukraine thread "not all ukranian civilians bombed die". If you don't even see how disrespectful that is then I don't know what to say.What are you on about. The tweet didn't even say Iran nationals protesting in Qatar but the list of Iran nationals who travelled. So I was confused why they will fear going home when they just went to watch the games. The tweet didn't even claim Iranian protestors
What a daft thing to say. Why would I disrespect the dead? stupid post and you talk about putting words in your mouth.
Disrespect even to spell Iran with a lower case "i"
it’s from the leaked files of Fars News Agency (IRGC media) which was hacked by Black Reward group on Friday and every day new bits is coming out. I wasn’t on computer to post the full story, but just got home. Will do with sources and all later tonightthat's just a random dude on twitter!!
where are the reliable sources? or confirmation bias is enough these days??
…ooookay
Cluthching at straws? I was thought growing up always to never spell someone’s name and country with lower case out of respect. You know, different cultures and all, something you guys don’t know about.Imagine someone in the ukraine thread "not all ukranian civilians bombed die". If you don't even see how disrespectful that is then I don't know what to say.
I always write with lower case (unless my phone corrects it), even portugal, so it means nothing, it's just you clutching at straws.
And you are the one reaching with these examples, not even the same situations but ok. Don’t twist my words to suit your agenda
What the heck? That’s what you literally suggested will happen. I’m done myself this isn’t going anywhere.Mate, you literally said that I suggested iranians going back to iran would be killed. I give up, this is going nowhere, you keep making stuff up as you go along.
And the lower case thing is just ridiculous, literally no one gives a feck about that.
Please quote where I said iran would kill fans who protested in qatar when they return to iran.What the heck? That’s what you literally suggested will happen. I’m done myself this isn’t going anywhere.
Like I said different cultures and all. You see how you don’t give a feck about that but someone will with a different cultural background.
“Nothing at all, I mean, it's not like the iranian regime has been killing people daily for the last few weeks. What could go wrong for people criticizing them abroad.”Please quote where I said iran would kill fans who protested in qatar when they return to iran.
"Especially the secret service VEVAK is focusing on surveillance and disruption of Iranian oppositional groups." (...) "Main focus of the Iranian intelligence apparatus is the intensive surveillance and combatting of oppositional groups inside and outside of the country. The MOIS [Ministry of Information and Security] has a legal residency in the embassy in Berlin, commissioned with the observation of opposition members living in Germany. Furthermore it provides logistic support for intelligence operations of the MOIS headquarter in Tehran." (2008 report of Hamburg's Verfassungsschutz [regional section of the German domestic intelligence agency])
"We know that the Iranian secret service has its people joining demonstrations," the deputy chief of [Hamburg's Verfassungsschutz] agency, Manfred Murk, said to the ARD magazine 'Panorama'. At protests against the government of Iranian president Mahmud Ahmadinejad, the secret service is trying to identify individual demonstrators. "We have proof that videos are taken, that they try to track down people."
Organizers of protests in Germany against the allegedly fraudulent reelection of Ahmadinejad told 'Panorama' of threatening phone calls and repressive actions against participants of demonstrations and their families in Iran. Murck confirmed that the Iranian secret service is using these methods against regime critics residing in Germany. On trips back home to Iran, the secret service has the opportunity to take massive action against them.
https://www.handelsblatt.com/politi...eheimdienst-in-deutschland-aktiv/3281192.html
Boycotting is meaningless anyway. My wife has been boycotting football games forever and had zero impact whatsoever!People aren’t boycotting… Broadcasters are making money for FIFA…
You suggested nothing would happen to these iranians if they were on said list. I pointed out that a regime that regularly kills its citizens would obviously do something to them. How you go from that to thinking I said they would all be killed... I've no idea.“Nothing at all, I mean, it's not like the iranian regime has been killing people daily for the last few weeks. What could go wrong for people criticizing them abroad.”
Above was your response to my quote “what do you think will happen?”
If your your reply isn’t suggesting they will be killed when they go back to Iran then what the feck are you insinuating?
They are making money for themselves. They would have already agreed a price with FIFA a long time ago.People aren’t boycotting… Broadcasters are making money for FIFA…
Did I suggest nothing will happen to them or you don’t know for a fact something will like you were suggesting.You suggested nothing would happen to these iranians if they were on said list. I pointed out that a regime that regularly kills its citizens would obviously do something to them. How you go from that to thinking I said they would all be killed... I've no idea.
I'm not insinuating anything, I'm saying it very directly. If such a list exists, those in there who return to iran will obviously face some kind of consequence. You already agreed to this, so at this point I'm not even sure what we're talking about.
No idea who these Western supremacists are that say we are by far the best. I'd say we are largely shite, but I also think we give labourers and lgbt people a better chance at life than most middle eastern countries and I feel it's okay to say this witouth having to excuse myself for the fact that my car needs oil (not mine personally but eh) and that I cannot state with 100% certainty what the hourly rate of people who made my pants is.nice try but not everyone has engaged in chattel slavey colonialism and genocide!
there are the people who enjoy all the perks of colonialsm and imperialism and there are the people who suffer tremendously from these actions!
the typical western mental gymnastics:
westerners: we are by far the best
the global south: you've killed and enslaved millions. colonised 80% of the planet and amassed its resources.
westerners: hey, everyone has done bad things. we made mistakes yes but we admit it which by default makes us the best.