Many in abroad? or you mean just Qatar
Boycott The Qatar World Cup?
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All online discours about this world cup just reminds me of this
Jesus, the fecking gymnastics not to answer a question...
Well many in abroad will surely not be going to Iran after the world cup.
Right, so back to square one, what do you think will happen to those going back to iran if they are in a list of people criticizing the regime abroad?
I think you need to read the news my friend. Armed police aren't sitting outside the London office of an Iranian newspaper 24/7 for nothing. Their government is after them wherever they are.
Man you are funny with your twisting and diversions.
Probably bad things.
You said abroad and I am telling you Iranians living in the USA for example will protest without the fear of being killed. Reason why I asked you earlier did you mean abroad or just Qatar.
The tweet was about qatar providing this info. You made fun of someone's reaction asking what they thought would happen, and now you say probably bad things. I mean...
nice try but not everyone has engaged in chattel slavey colonialism and genocide!All online discours about this world cup just reminds me of this
there are the people who enjoy all the perks of colonialsm and imperialism and there are the people who suffer tremendously from these actions!
the typical western mental gymnastics:
westerners: we are by far the best
the global south: you've killed and enslaved millions. colonised 80% of the planet and amassed its resources.
westerners: hey, everyone has done bad things. we made mistakes yes but we admit it which by default makes us the best.
But I called the tweet out because it didn't make sense that Qatar will provide the list when Iran probably already do. Also you are making it seem every single person that protested in Iran was killed, many people have protested and are still protesting now in Iran and still alive. So someone can protest and go back without being harmed, you can't say for a fact anyone who returns to Iran after the world cup will be killed either like you are making it seem.
Isn't the 15k figure only foreign workers (doesn't include Qataris), whereas the figure from the lancet for the uk is all reported deaths in that trade (regardless of nationality)? If so, doesn't that skew the figures? Quite apart from the fact that one dataset (the uk one) was collected a full decade before the other.
No doubt about it. I would have actually boycotted the world cup if it was held in Iran.
fecking hell mate, what a train wreck of a post.
You moved the goal posts on what you originally said, you put words in my mouth that I never said, and in the middle you even managed to disrespect the many dead in recent weeks in iran.
With Qataris making less than ten percent of locale it would hardly make a difference
Am I misunderstanding or does this mean that less than 10% of workers in Qatar are Qatari?
This meme would be more apt if you enjoy your bigmac and then when it's my turn to eat you suddenly boycott me for eating meat but then you still enjoy yours.All online discours about this world cup just reminds me of this
I just googled and it's 11.6 % the rest are foreigners. Qataris are a minority in their own nation just like emiratis
I simply wrote, ‘FFS hopefully not true’… if that’s ‘freaking out’ I’d hate to think what your subsequent gibbering qualifies as mate.
And regarding the rest of what you wrote - the concern would be for Iranian citizens returning home (World Cups are over in a matter of weeks, they don’t continue endlessly, unlike your mental gymnastic postings in here).
You’re having a mare here mate, and imo the situation in Iran is a bridge too far for the daft whataboutism game, people are being fecking murdered and it’s out of hand.
Mad...did not know that! Still, the two datasets the poster is trying to compare are different in so many ways that the comparison is next to worthless.
Right. It's a shame isn't it that people's lives are cheap for capitalist gain and exploitation.
Odd that Qatar football world cup has been the joint awakening of the western world when it comes to this. Something tells me after the world cup it will be back to acting like this happens nowhere.
No chance of that - even FIFA have a line drawn somewhere
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What are you on about. The tweet didn't even say Iran nationals protesting in Qatar but the list of Iran nationals who travelled. So I was confused why they will fear going home when they just went to watch the games. The tweet didn't even claim Iranian protestors
What a daft thing to say. Why would I disrespect the dead? stupid post and you talk about putting words in your mouth.
Disrespect even to spell Iran with a lower case "i"
…ooookay
Imagine someone in the ukraine thread "not all ukranian civilians bombed die". If you don't even see how disrespectful that is then I don't know what to say.
I always write with lower case (unless my phone corrects it), even portugal, so it means nothing, it's just you clutching at straws.
it’s from the leaked files of Fars News Agency (IRGC media) which was hacked by Black Reward group on Friday and every day new bits is coming out. I wasn’t on computer to post the full story, but just got home. Will do with sources and all later tonight
Mate, you literally said that I suggested iranians going back to iran would be killed. I give up, this is going nowhere, you keep making stuff up as you go along.
And the lower case thing is just ridiculous, literally no one gives a feck about that.
And the lower case thing is just ridiculous, literally no one gives a feck about that.
What the heck? That’s what you literally suggested will happen. I’m done myself this isn’t going anywhere.
Like I said different cultures and all. You see how you don’t give a feck about that but someone will with a different cultural background.
People aren’t boycotting… Broadcasters are making money for FIFA…
Please quote where I said iran would kill fans who protested in qatar when they return to iran.
Okay, so this is the source, if you understand Farsi, you'll know he's saying what is being said in the tweet. As a native Persian speaker and Iran lover, I confirm the voice.
On Friday, Black Reward hacking group hacked Fars News Agency (IRGC Media) and got access to many many documents and data which they've been slowly feeding to Iran International to release...The videos range from IR regime's special "Operation World Cup" plans on how to pit the team against the nation, intimidation tactics agreed to and okayed by Queiroz himself (I lost all respect for that POS), and of course lots of tactics how to manage the atmosphere in Qatar (they've sent 22,000 members of Basijis and their families to Qatar) and co-ordination with Qatari authorities to clamp down on any display of Iranian protests (Lion and Sun flag, Women Life Freedom, Mahsa Amini etc)....and to give detailed list of all Iranians who've travelled to Qatar (not clear is just from Iran or from diaspora too).
- There are many videos of Iranian protestors being harassed and kicked out of stadium simply because of the shirt they are wearing or the flag they are carrying. Qatar authorities temporarily have detained them before releasing them after a few hours.
- This is part of an intimidation tactics that goes to the players too. According to CNN and VOA, Iran players have been threatened that their families will be in trouble should they refuse to sing the anthem tomorrow or display any sort of solidarity with protests in the match vs. USA.
Also, after beating Wales, the security forces started dancing on the streets (many videos avaialble) and some even waving the flags from the tip of their guns. It's just the many ways the regime is using this team politically and have them by the balls one way or another.
That's why I don't know a single Iranian living now in Iran who's supporting the team tomorrow. I only know a few diaspora types that wish they beat USA tomorrow. Inside Iran, there is barely any enthusiasm for football, especially seeing how the regime is using this football team like a toy to achieve propaganda and strategic aims. Literal "OPERATION WORLD CUP".
so go USA !!!
On Friday, Black Reward hacking group hacked Fars News Agency (IRGC Media) and got access to many many documents and data which they've been slowly feeding to Iran International to release...The videos range from IR regime's special "Operation World Cup" plans on how to pit the team against the nation, intimidation tactics agreed to and okayed by Queiroz himself (I lost all respect for that POS), and of course lots of tactics how to manage the atmosphere in Qatar (they've sent 22,000 members of Basijis and their families to Qatar) and co-ordination with Qatari authorities to clamp down on any display of Iranian protests (Lion and Sun flag, Women Life Freedom, Mahsa Amini etc)....and to give detailed list of all Iranians who've travelled to Qatar (not clear is just from Iran or from diaspora too).
- There are many videos of Iranian protestors being harassed and kicked out of stadium simply because of the shirt they are wearing or the flag they are carrying. Qatar authorities temporarily have detained them before releasing them after a few hours.
- This is part of an intimidation tactics that goes to the players too. According to CNN and VOA, Iran players have been threatened that their families will be in trouble should they refuse to sing the anthem tomorrow or display any sort of solidarity with protests in the match vs. USA.
Also, after beating Wales, the security forces started dancing on the streets (many videos avaialble) and some even waving the flags from the tip of their guns. It's just the many ways the regime is using this team politically and have them by the balls one way or another.
That's why I don't know a single Iranian living now in Iran who's supporting the team tomorrow. I only know a few diaspora types that wish they beat USA tomorrow. Inside Iran, there is barely any enthusiasm for football, especially seeing how the regime is using this football team like a toy to achieve propaganda and strategic aims. Literal "OPERATION WORLD CUP".
so go USA !!!
“Nothing at all, I mean, it's not like the iranian regime has been killing people daily for the last few weeks. What could go wrong for people criticizing them abroad.”
Above was your sarcastic response to my quote “what do you think will happen?”
If your your reply isn’t suggesting they will be killed when they go back to Iran then what the feck are you insinuating?
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Can't judge the validity of these particular tweets/leaks (and haven't yet gone through Hanks's post just posted above).
But there was a more general claim that the Iranian state has no realistic interest in obtaining information about dissidents in Qatar, because domestic ones will be known, and the regime has no reach beyond that. The latter part is not true.
Iranian intelligence agencies are known to monitor diaspora Iranians for oppositional activities. A main issue is that these people have friends, family, sometimes political associates in Iran, and may travel there themselves. I've been around Iranians quite a bit over the years, this general threat was something not just a few had at the back of their minds. It was a talking point that came up from time to time.
Excerpts from a German article from 2009:
There was also a streak of murders of Iranian dissidents and activists in the 80s and 90s. The Mykonos restaurant assassinations were a famous such incident in Germany. In that vein, a recent article from the Netherlands:
https://nltimes.nl/2022/11/01/dutch-police-ignored-iranian-activists-safety-concerns-murder-report
Ultimate confirmation is of course difficult or impossible in such cases, and Iran has always denied any involvement. Make of that what you will.
But there was a more general claim that the Iranian state has no realistic interest in obtaining information about dissidents in Qatar, because domestic ones will be known, and the regime has no reach beyond that. The latter part is not true.
Iranian intelligence agencies are known to monitor diaspora Iranians for oppositional activities. A main issue is that these people have friends, family, sometimes political associates in Iran, and may travel there themselves. I've been around Iranians quite a bit over the years, this general threat was something not just a few had at the back of their minds. It was a talking point that came up from time to time.
Excerpts from a German article from 2009:
There was also a streak of murders of Iranian dissidents and activists in the 80s and 90s. The Mykonos restaurant assassinations were a famous such incident in Germany. In that vein, a recent article from the Netherlands:
https://nltimes.nl/2022/11/01/dutch-police-ignored-iranian-activists-safety-concerns-murder-report
Ultimate confirmation is of course difficult or impossible in such cases, and Iran has always denied any involvement. Make of that what you will.
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Boycotting is meaningless anyway. My wife has been boycotting football games forever and had zero impact whatsoever!
It is better to be there and protest. Making noise might have some effect, at least for future decisions.
You suggested nothing would happen to these iranians if they were on said list. I pointed out that a regime that regularly kills its citizens would obviously do something to them. How you go from that to thinking I said they would all be killed... I've no idea.
I'm not insinuating anything, I'm saying it very directly. If such a list exists, those in there who return to iran will obviously face some kind of consequence. You already agreed to this, so at this point I'm not even sure what we're talking about.
They are making money for themselves. They would have already agreed a price with FIFA a long time ago.
The same ITV who are talking negatively about Qatar are then running Qatar tourism ads multiple times during the game.
Did I suggest nothing will happen to them or you don’t know for a fact something will like you were suggesting.
Let’s end this here please. If I said something disrespectful I’m sorry, like you said people are losing their life’s for us to be even going back and forth about it.
No idea who these Western supremacists are that say we are by far the best. I'd say we are largely shite, but I also think we give labourers and lgbt people a better chance at life than most middle eastern countries and I feel it's okay to say this witouth having to excuse myself for the fact that my car needs oil (not mine personally but eh) and that I cannot state with 100% certainty what the hourly rate of people who made my pants is.
Deflecting criticism by pointing at something else is weak. Especially when doing it in conjunction with a silly strawman like claiming that all westerners scream they are the best. I'd say at least some of us are very critical of both our current and past misdeeds. Especially people here on caf. If you're ever promoted and get access to the general, you will realise what a silly thing it is you're saying on here.
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