Paul the Wolf
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No single market then. No Norway plus , no 2.0. StrangeI'm actually not opposed to ending freedom of movement as long as we have a sensible immigration policy. It's the outcome not the mechanism thats important
No single market then. No Norway plus , no 2.0. StrangeI'm actually not opposed to ending freedom of movement as long as we have a sensible immigration policy. It's the outcome not the mechanism thats important
You're not able to get rid of FOM and avoid a hard Irish border though, are you? Seems like unicorn territory again.I'm actually not opposed to ending freedom of movement as long as we have a sensible immigration policy. It's the outcome not the mechanism thats important
I think there also needs to be an understanding it's not only stopping people coming to the UK... It's also taking away everybody right to live and work in Europe as well... I think the taking away of that right is pretty important and that currently it is stopping people coming rather than protecting our rights to live and work abroad that takes priorityI'm actually not opposed to ending freedom of movement as long as we have a sensible immigration policy. It's the outcome not the mechanism thats important
Can't criticise Corbyn.You're not able to get rid of FOM and avoid a hard Irish border though, are you? Seems like unicorn territory again.
current deal does itYou're not able to get rid of FOM and avoid a hard Irish border though, are you?
Backstop forever then?current deal does it
Gordon BennettI'm not saying i want rid of it I'm saying that in itself isn't an issue to me. It's a footnote compared to the actual issues.
I think there would be adequote reciprocal arrangements to deliver these rights. They're mutually beneficial
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This is rich coming from someone whose actions have resulted in people commiting suicide.one would hope not... but who knows
Gut feel is that in the national interest people should work together...
practicalities are (in both parties) that working with the "enemy" is not acceptable and as somebody else mentioned on here... both could implode
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Totally understand his stance.Can't wait for the Corbyn fanatics to come in here and defend him
It might be to the EU project I'm not arguing otherwise. In terms of long term impacts it might be detrimental with anti-immigrant parties rising too.Gordon Bennett
It's the most fundamental of all.
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But the UK have never implemented the rights they already have and would continue to have which is that immigrants have to not be a burden on the state. Why not implement this?It might be to the EU project I'm not arguing otherwise. In terms of long term impacts it might be detrimental with anti-immigrant parties rising too.
If our own government followed the likes of Germany in loosened immigration laws and dropped the high wage threshold etc then it's impact would be minimised in the short term. It requires arrangement with a lot of countries rather than the block though
Even in an no-deal there would be some sort of backstop to keep the border open, just to add to the chaos if it did happen.The way I understand it, any deal with Europe will involve a backstop. They'll insist on it regardless. Only a no-deal crash out would avoid it, and risk a hard border instead.
If the Uk were in the Single Market and Customs Union there would be no need.The way I understand it, any deal with Europe will involve a backstop. They'll insist on it regardless. Only a no-deal crash out would avoid it, and risk a hard border instead.
Exactly. At a minimum the backstop (in one form or another) is inevitable. It's just a question of how much damage the UK first decides to do to itself, Ireland, the EU and the relationships between all three.Even in an no-deal there would be some sort of backstop to keep the border open, just to add to the chaos if it did happen.
www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/eu-uk-brexit-choices-no-deal-delay
Have a guess.Not paid attention for last few days - any significant progress?
well one can hopeHave a guess.
A no deal crash out wouldn't create a risk of a hard border. It'd create a hard border. And it would avoid the backstop for about a week until you decide you'd like to be able to trade with the rest of Europe and it'd be the first thing put back on the table.The way I understand it, any deal with Europe will involve a backstop. They'll insist on it regardless. Only a no-deal crash out would avoid it, and risk a hard border instead.
that's what May could do, then once an election comes around, the Conservative can turn around and say 'don't vote for Labour and commie Corbyn because he didn't vote for May's deal'we're gonna crash out and the entire country is going to blame Corbyn and Labour
The PM and Corbyn are holding a series of meetings to see whether they can come to an agreement about a way forward vis-à-vis the Withdrawal Agreement.Not paid attention for last few days - any significant progress?
I am no longer a member of the Conservative Party. So I can be blunt where previously I might have been discreet. The PM’s head of communications Robbie Gibb is a hard Brexiter who wants to destroy the PM’s new search for a cross party compromise.