Yeah, that was totally my doing. Wibble
Yeah, that was totally my doing. Wibble
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Would be a nice final act for Bercow, he'd love the opportunity.
I wouldn't be surprised if the government think this will be the case and are happy to allow the courts to go that route. Although i still think Boris will send it but do something childish like sign it from parliament.
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The point is that she was mildly heckled and desevedly so for the divisive rhetoric she continually spouts in the media.Whataboutism. Neither is good.
Read a few tweets saying around the 28th.Is the EU decision expected to be announced tonight or when?
A former Tory cabinet minister said Johnson was clearly behaving in a way that was “against the spirit of the Benn act”, which required him to have asked for an extension by 11pm last night if no Brexit deal had been approved by parliament by then, or parliament had not given its backing to a no-deal outcome.Called it, was all just bravado to distance himself from it as if that's going to be enough to justify his broken promises again.
Also he'll be in the courts Monday. They promised to the court they wouldn't send another letter to frustrate the will of the law.
To be fair, that's a good letter.
Not as bad as I expected
Well from what I can gather they won't have to wonder for long, the case will be in court on Monday.Not a bad day from Boris' point of view, he's still moving towards the 31st, and the big killer letter deadline everyone's been waiting for seems to have left the opposition more wondering what to do next rather than him.
What do think will happen then?Well from what I can gather they won't have to wonder for long, the case will be in court on Monday.
I imagine the government will lose again and then probably comply. I don't really know though.What do think will happen then?
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None of us do to be fair. But he's sent the letter as required so it's hard to see what the court can say. Send a signed version or something maybe, but his point's been made, it can't be unmade.I imagine the government will lose again and then probably comply. I don't really know though.
I've yet to see anyone suggest it has to be signed no. It's just all a big show of defiance from Boris so he can claim he didn't extend.Sending an unsigned letter, feck me we've got really childish (as if it wasn’t before). Dare I ask, does the letter have to be signed?
It is very juvenile. The Benn Act definitely stipulated explicitly that the PM had to sign it (actually, I think it said 'signed by the Prime Minister' so the fact he's sent a photocopy of that could, I suppose, count?) However, I suspect that the fact he has sent it and Tusk has confirmed that he has received it should suffice to make it immaterial, really. The potential trouble will be if the other letter can be deemed to be an attempt to frustrate the Act. I've read that the government's argument is supposed to be along the lines that because government policy prior to the Act was to oppose an extension then it is not contrary to the Act to restate what their policy was beforehand.Sending an unsigned letter, feck me we've got really childish (as if it wasn’t before). Dare I ask, does the letter have to be signed?
It seems crazy to leave. The country is split, parliament is in turmoil, the leave vote proved to be based on lies, the government lying to the queen. What the feck are we achieving with this shite? We’re fighting for the right to feck our own economy, it’s not even like we’re causing all this mayhem for something worth whileI've yet to see anyone suggest it has to be signed no. It's just all a big show of defiance from Boris so he can claim he didn't extend.
Now we just need the EU to do the sensible thing and give us enough time so we can get a referendum through. It's in their interests economically and as an example to other nations not to waste their time trying the same
The EU aren't stopping Labour proposing a Referendum Bill or adding it as an amendment though are they? Couldn't Labour have done that today?I've yet to see anyone suggest it has to be signed no. It's just all a big show of defiance from Boris so he can claim he didn't extend.
Now we just need the EU to do the sensible thing and give us enough time so we can get a referendum through. It's in their interests economically and as an example to other nations not to waste their time trying the same
There already was one today which was selected but as Letwin passed the house was not divided on anything else as the government effectively pulled the vote.The EU aren't stopping Labour proposing a Referendum Bill or adding it as an amendment though are they? Couldn't Labour have done that today?
not sure it didIt is very juvenile. The Benn Act definitely stipulated explicitly that the PM had to sign it (actually, I think it said 'signed by the Prime Minister' so the fact he's sent a photocopy of that could, I suppose, count?) However, I suspect that the fact he has sent it and Tusk has confirmed that he has received it should suffice to make it immaterial, really. The potential trouble will be if the other letter can be deemed to be an attempt to frustrate the Act. I've read that the government's argument is supposed to be along the lines that because government policy prior to the Act was to oppose an extension then it is not contrary to the Act to restate what their policy was beforehand.
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As UG said there was one in a statement of support but it wasn't legally binding. A legally binding bill won't pass whilst there's no time to enact it and that can only be given by the EU.The EU aren't stopping Labour proposing a Referendum Bill or adding it as an amendment though are they? Couldn't Labour have done that today?
Thanks UB & Smores, I didn't know there had been one today. I too was thinking about the DUP, and whether if Corbyn whipped for a Repeal Act, or a Referendum, he might make it, if he wanted to that is. This letter-writing is nonsense as far as I can see, it's just playing into Johnson's hands. Should be more chances to come though.There already was one today which was selected but as Letwin passed the house was not divided on anything else as the government effectively pulled the vote.
Labour know it does not have the numbers for a second ref as first and foremost it has a big problem within its ranks because of the MPs in big leave seats. They want to be seen to support their constiuents "wishes" because they probably will want to continue being their MP. Only way is to threaten them with deselection and that will make them fall in line but no point of that just yet as the numbers aren't there even if all of Labour supported it. The DUP however will shift the balance so we will see what happens.
Yeah had another look and all I can see is the letter has to end with the phrase 'Your sincerely, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom...'. As I said, it seems immaterial anyway. The extension has been asked for. It will be the content of the other letter that could be problematic for him. We'll find out on Monday.
Also the sheer arrogance of thinking people are so stupid that they believe stuff like:The point is that she was mildly heckled and desevedly so for the divisive rhetoric she continually spouts in the media.
To then complain about it in a holier-than-thou manner is prize winning hypocrisy.
Andrea Leadsom said:In making it impossible for us to sign up to that( deal), it actually makes the problems with the Northern Irish border harder to solve, not easier to solve.