Boris said that he would rather die in a ditch than ask for an extension. So the first comment is simply commenting on what he said and the second is obviously a joke based on that so it isn't anything to get upset about.
Letwin or Benn?
It was a "we want an extension to avoid no deal". If May and Johnson hadn't repeatedly run down time to try and bully parliament into voting for what they offered, it likely wouldn't have been necessary.
This whole thing has been done in the spirit of, “we’re British, we do what we want”. Unfortunately, that attitude has fallen on its arse before we’ve even left the EU, never mind what’s going to happen afterwards
I still can't get over this 'Global Britain' picture
Boom... they have the numbers if that's true I think...
Wouldn't count on it.
@ the DUP having to back a second referendum.Obviously you never know with this lot but i don't see them blocking a second ref if it gets the numbers. It would not only be depriving parliaments of it's voice but the people also and the optics on that aren't great.
As long as the other option is remain I think libs and snp are on board
It takes 6 months to run a referendum though... I cant see him staying in power that long even if he did sign up to it... but in terms of people vs the parliament and delivering on the 1st referendum I think he would have to refuse to go along and resign knowing it probably results in a ge (unless somehow a gnu could be stitched together but that looks unlikely to hold up for 6 months I think)
Well that last part can be fixed in a day
The EU will never give an extension with a Tory in office.
Just because Letwin passed, doesn't mean a second referendum would.
You have to remember, a lot of Labour constituencies voted leave, and the MP's representing them want to respect their wishes. They could be whipped to vote for the amendment, but nothing is stopping them from abstaining, meaning that it'll be very difficult for it to pass. Plus, they've had numerous chances to have a second ref, even with May's deal, and if an extension is secured, Corbyn will want an election straight away.
I know all that... I also know that based ok the last referendum amendment it would have passed if the DUP were onside
Well, that was short lived.
Politics is a great deal about appearances and without knowing much about what he stands for as an individual, he seems a lot more coherent, firm and inspiring than the rest of the Labour front bench.
It's my guess, and nothing more, that if the EU grant an extension and Boris' deal is rejected, he'll call for a General Election and Labour will accept it. Corbyn has already said once an extension is in place, he'll commit to an election, but the problem is, would he actually be able to get a majority? Who knows?
2nd ref will require a longer extension.... probably till June (I.e. when the next eu financial period starts)
All Brexiteers including current Tory MPs and Brexit Party stooges would fully back a second referendum if they could use it to force through a hard Brexit or if they thought they could exploit it as a vehicle towards No Deal.
nah that was Remain vs “whoever you last listened to said about what Leave was”
To be fair I think the only way a 2nd ref can actually settle things is if the leave vote goes down (say 15m) and the remain vote goes up (to 20m)
Depending on the question, it's very likely Brexiteers (Tory + TBP) will tell the people to bastein to delegitimise it. So yeah I expect a much lower turn out.
Good then an easy remain win. They can moan it's not legitimate because the turnouts lower but it won't matter.
Perfect example why the second one is needed. There's absolutely no way that leave would have won if leaves own impact assessments said a 4-6% hit.
I don't think you've thought this through. It's a Tory govt. They will not enact a referendum result that was done against their will and with a much lower turnout than the previous one.
No it wasn't, in 2016 it was wild promises and lies vs remain.
True there will need to be a positive message this time
