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The last Tory PM I voted for was John Major who was also my MP at the time and he was and still is very pro-EU.
As I've said many a time when the Tory leader is a remainer at heart and the Labour leader is clearly a leaver party loyalties are rather muddled. Furthermore I don't personally know one traditional Tory voter that voted Leave but I know many traditional Labour voters who did.
I can, however, categorise the leave and remain voters I know and it's nothing to do with party loyalties or age.
respek for admitting that in public. Was it the spitting image puppet that swayed it for you?I'm only 41
I voted Labour at the last election for the first time anyhow and I really like my local MP and will vote for him again.
Probably Kinnock as the alternative might have swayed it. He was a really nice bloke, lived a couple of miles away, used to see him a lot in Tesco.I'm waiting for someone to admit they voted for Blair.
Kinnock is pro eu so you went for the less charismatic tory for what reason? I voted for Blair and had the most prosperous time in my life while in the uk.
I'm waiting for someone to admit they voted for Blair.
I knew that you were one of Satan's minions. Sad.
The EU was not even a question at that time, I despised the nanny state under Blair, if I had needed one thing convince me to leave the UK, then Blair would have been it.
Blair was one of the most middle-of-the-road business-as-usual political leader there's ever been on domestic policy. Retrospectively painting him as some kind of extremist is bollocks.
That's cos you like you PM to send in the horses and batter people half to death to get the result you want.
He did kind-of go make youth culture the enemy on multiple occasions.
Hoodies, ASBOs, Chavs etc
Blair was middle of the road if you discount his attempt to abolish our currency, ruin education and defence, start an unjust war and bend over for the IRA
On the Northern Ireland thing Blair was simply following in the footsteps of one of the 20th centuries most radical and divisive of political leaders John the Cannibal Major
Quite and I opposed him on those issues at the time but we were talking about things that would motivate somebody to leave the country. Disagreement on rhetoric when it comes to youth criminal justice is a bit of a stretch
Eh?
Blair brought this nampy pamby blame everyone else culture which is still prevalent today , apart from other more obvious things.
However, during my life time it's always been either Tory or Labour so you can blame all the politicians or electorate from both sides for whatever you dislike about the UK or its history.
Like I say, the most prosperous years of my life. Thatcher years, the worst, she liked a war too.
If you're referring to me that is not at all what I said
Always adapted to the situation at the time, no politician will decide the outcome of my life.
When did you move to live in Holland then?
I was a part of the ASBO generation, hanging round on the street and causing trouble. That culture doesn't exist any more where I live, gone are the vast swathes of drunken teenagers at weekend. It's great.
End of 98
So you had one year of the good life and left.
I was waiting for you to say 97 and were on a WUM.
2 years almost. The best 2. I was so feckin happy the tory scum was gone it was magical.So you had one year of the good life and left.
I was waiting for you to say 97 and were on a WUM.
Japans letter to Britain and the EU
Bye bye billions of pounds of Japanese FDI. They are polite about our government, saying it trusts them to sort it out. No-one else does.
I wouldn't say extremist, but I wouldn't say middle of the road either; 24 hour drinking, decriminalisation of weed, super casinos, asbos, Iraq/WMD, 90 day detention without charge.
He's also the most Europhile leader we've ever had, which is unfortunate for the remain camp because he's utterly toxic now. Every time he speaks out on Brexit he harms the remain cause, he *still* spins every question on key points and is as far from sincere as he's ever been.
Boris is due to give a speech tomorrow setting out his liberal vision post Brexit and plans for deregulation , that should convince the Japanese.
Deregulating financial services would be a disaster, given for many large asset managers, half or more of their business is in the EU.
Aspects of Mifid II are draconian as will some bits of GDPR. But if we have firms running two tier regulatory compliance -EU and UK- it will be immensely difficult and there will inevitably be unintended consequences.
I read a theory online that the reason the far right of the conservative party is frothing for a hard brexit is because of the EU's anti tax avoidance directive coming into force in 2019. It makes sense given that many, including the 18th century poster boy, were caught in various scandals like the Panama Papers.
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I think you are right, the profile of the money providers seems to fit. Funnily enough, the FN in France is historically a neo-liberal party who happens to be anti EU too.
It does pose an interesting existential crisis for the United Kingdom though. How do they reconcile the good friday agreement, the stage one agreement (which explicitly mentioned there being no divergence from the GFA and gave an assurance to NI that there will be no regulatory divergence to the mainland), and a hard brexit in which Britain has regulatory divergence from the EU. The first set of problems facing Brexit means that a faux-brexit is the only possibly outcome, whereas the preferred outcome for the far right means that the GFA would be chucked by the wayside and the stage 1 agreement wholly ignored - leading to a predictable reignition of the troubles.
My instinct says that faux-brexit is the only possible outcome, but a far right coup of the conservative party could easily happen and just chuck a grenade into the negotiations.
Many of the Tory hard-right have been frothing at the mouth for the possibility of a low tax Britain where we're effectively a tax haven so that'd make sense.
If they are anything like the ones I know, they don't care about anything than themselves. They live and act like a modern day aristocracy, what happens to outsiders isn't on their mind.
JC Junk recently put a block on that to protect his tax avoidence mates.
he doesn't have the power to do that
He veto'd it
when he was PM of Luxembourg, he no longer has a veto power and the directive goes into effect on January 1 2019
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custo...dance-package/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en
Yes it comes into effect on 1st January 2019.
Another thing for the UK government to note though is if they lean towards tax havens and promoting tax avoidance they won't be able to become a member of the WTO either.
Yes it comes into effect on 1st January 2019.
Another thing for the UK government to note though is if they lean towards tax havens and promoting tax avoidance they won't be able to become a member of the WTO either.
It may well be the case, but the right of the Tory party has been anti EU/Common Market from the start, going back to Enoch Powell and the like. And the left of Labour too, of course.
Reading comments on Twitter in response to a remainer on Sky News.
I wonder what it is actually like to live in such a blissfully ignorant state. There are people who actually beleve that everything is rosy and any negativity is just Soros propaganda.
I suppose when you already own your own house and are approaching retirement age, your 2 O levels in a crappy economy don't matter so much any more.
I wonder what it is actually like to live in such a blissfully ignorant state. There are people who actually beleve that everything is rosy and any negativity is just Soros propaganda.
I suppose when you already own your own house and are approaching retirement age, your 2 O levels in a crappy economy don't matter so much any more.
George Soros is a tosser of the highest order. Quite happy to break the bank of england for personal gain, his opinion on anything bar gambling should be disregarded.