The problem is that she is right and Corbyn has fallen into the trap and will get at least part of the blame.
They might make us sweat a bit, but this is what everyone, with a brain, really wants.
As it stands she's right. Labour haven't proposed anything at all that might change that course of events. For instance they could get wholeheartedly behind a second referendum, but they would need to decide that soon, they would need to be clear about what the question would be, when it would be and so on, and most importantly they would need assurances from the EU as to if and under what conditions they might allow us to remain, as without that Leave would win again anyway. I don't see Labour preparing for any of this or anything else, and time is running out.
This may be so or may not, but unless some one asks the EU Council to meet and decide what the terms would be then we couldn't be sure they wouldn't insist on us joining the Euro, Schengen, and the rest, and if Remain couldn't win the last referendum they sure as hell wouldn't win another with that possibility still open.
They've tabled a fairly significant amendment that says parliament is to block a no brexit. That's a fairly significant step and the complete opposite of what May is saying.
Thanks, but I don't understand what 'block a no brexit' means, not being sarky, I just don't.
Such a think does not exist.
Until we confirm whether we can revoke or extend it means nothing to no one but there's an assumption backed up by what the EU are saying that we will in fact be able to revoke (perhaps not unilaterally).
The assumption may well be true but unless, not until, the EU clarify their position there's no chance of Remain winning a referendum. I've no doubt at all there will be people in France right now saying if the UK wants back into Europe they will have to prove they are good Europeans and join the Euro, Schengen and give up any special rebates. Whether that view would ever win a Council vote isn't relevant, the mere threat of it would guarantee a Leave vote in a dozen referendums. (or is it referenda, shit, I don't know).
There is only one best option and that is cancelling Brexit. All other options will cause harm to the country. On this one point I agree with the Americans and would say that a soft Brexit is the 'least worst option'. I hate the term 'least worst' but in this case it fits as all exit options are worse than staying.
Agree with you but how and who is going to cancel it. Don't think any politician has the guts to cancel it and how will parliament allow it to be cancelled. Furthermore both parties leaders are set on the country's destruction as long as their personal ambition is achieved.
The EU claim that they will never allow this. But of course, a lot can change in a couple of years time.
Of course they'll allow it.
They'll allow it, but not under current conditions.
No doubt, but that's to be expected when the UK tears up 40 years of vetoes and opt-outs.
A government should work for the best interests of the country that it governs. They should be like doctors with the motto first, do no harm. If any policy that they are considering fails to meet that criteria then it should be voted down.
Surely they will just blame the EU...........wait........
They've had the EU and the previous Labour government for 8 years and over the last couple of years its increasingly been the fault of remainers who keep talking the UK down.
It's not quite that simple though. At the moment they want us to stay of course, but if we leave it opens up a lot of new possibilities for further integration. Once that starts, letting us back in could be seriously troublesome, plus we'll have cost them a huge amount of money already with this Brexit nonsense.
Did people blame the banks for the last recession or blame themselves for over-financing? There are plenty of people who are still lending more than they can afford now and Labour are the sole reason that the recession happened even though worldwide deregulation of the banking industry was to blame.
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We wont get all the vetoes if we go back in. We'll be expected to transfer to the Euro and accept Schengen. If we leave and ask to go back we are going back in a position of weakness.
Yes the government should put the country first. But they haven't, they've continued to spout the nonsense for the past 30 months about how great it's going to be and pandered to the uninformed. Don't see them changing now.
The truth is we have no idea what the EU would allow or what their conditions might be, simply because the EU themselves don't know. Each member state would have to discuss the possibility and formulate it's own opinion, then vote in the Council of Ministers, and I'll admit I don't know but vetos might come in to play as well.
I was thinking this point the other day, i guarantee that those who want a no deal brexit and think everything will be fine are the exact same people who still blame Labour for causing our last recession.
Well, whilst I don't directly blame Labour for the last recession, these things come in cycles and there is little you can do about it, I do blame them for presiding over the longest period of sustained economic growth in the UK, whilst not putting a single penny aside for a rainy day, squandering a chance to soften the blow of any future recession. Didn't those cnuts coin the phrase "No more boom & bust"?
It's a chicken and egg argument. People were irresponsible borrowing money beyond their means but the financial institutions need to be above the average Joe asking for money and look harder at what they are offering. Especially the central bank. I was pointing at the fact that the Tories tend to point the finger consistently at the EU for all their issues and deflect away any shortcomings on their part.
A decent opposition should be able to wipe the floor with them.
I don't mean if we don't leave. I mean that if we leave and in a year or 18 months go back cap in hand. I seriously think that if we say okay let's forget this that the EU will allow us to stay on the same terms that we currently have.
Erm they can't allow us to stay as we are out?
Unicorns. This is why they're in this mess. Everyone is just walking towards doom with the mentality of 'it'll work out'.
I totally agree with your first point but you have to take into account the greed and immorality of the human being. People got rich off of selling loans. It mattered not if the people that the loans were made to could afford them. It was all about get rich quick.
No. I mean that if we have another referendum and vote to stay they will let us stay on the therms we currently have.
There is zero chance. New parliament which sits at the beginning of July in which the UK has no seats, they've gone, new Commission, council and new budget soon after until 2027. Terms will be different too with no escape clause.
Maybe I'm giving people too much credit but when the bite really hurts I would expect people to turn around and say but you said this would be better.
