André Dominguez
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I see what you did there (Niemoller reference)First they came after our sandwiches, I didn't speak up because I don't eat sandwiches
I see what you did there (Niemoller reference)First they came after our sandwiches, I didn't speak up because I don't eat sandwiches
Good point. Think of the christmas celebrations!!I mean Brexit hardly even touches on fishing, farming and food. Can't really blame her when christmas is central to all three!
You betcha. A quick spark in the pan. And then it will be gone. As quickly as it came.Can you imagine the reaction if that had been Diane Abbott? Of course, this will be glossed over like everything else, while Brexit continues to suck the lifeblood out of the country.
Yeah, it is so galling to see that no one seems to care.Honestly, people have a go at twitter and think it needs better regulation. The UK press print constant lies yet that’s fine.
I literally haven't argued anything. I have no opinion either way.
Oh why do you lie?Has anybody on here pointed out that apparently the reason the UK has the vaccine first is because of Brexit?
That's quite a big win.
Some proper moaning on here.
You think that people are illiterate? You literally argued that the UK authorized the vaccine sooner due to Brexit and even tried to provide a source, in your response to my post you tried to insinuate that the UK had more authority to govern themselves on that topic.
Hey guys, I'm a totally impartial and unbiased outsider but let me argue the same point continuously.
I swear half the posts in this thread are people who have posted pro-Brexit talking points pretending that they never actually believed it but it's just 'something that some people are saying'.
Have I told you guys I love you guys? Good to know most of you are literate and rational.Wait...you mean they're actually Brexiteers
Brexit is so good that 95% of them need to pretend they didn't vote for it. That's despite fecking winning as well.
You literally tried to argue for it. Got a little too cocky for your own good and called people moaning and salty. Then you realised you were wrong and tried to backtrack.I just posted an article mate. Didn't say if I agreed with it or not.
Unlike most people on this thread I don't pretend to be an expert in everything.
What a troll.
Every day the Brexit morons keep on giving.
There's a mixture of Brexiters pretending not to be Brexiters and others who are insulted to suggest that there are British people who are extremely stupid or gullible.I swear half the posts in this thread are people who have posted pro-Brexit talking points pretending that they never actually believed it but it's just 'something that some people are saying'.
It's always been a big joke to cnuts like him. These rich cnuts think Brexit is all a jolly wheeze and an easy way to make money They have never given a feck about people being worse off because it's mostly just a load of unwashed plebs that they don't have to ever encounter in real life.
Thought it was something to do with the UK and Canada getting emergency or interim approval that lasted a year whilst the EMA wanted to get full approval for the vaccine?Not really. The UK, Canada and the EMA all used the rolling review as process, the difference is that the UK decided to review less data before approving the vaccine because they liked what they saw in the ones that were submitted. As far as I know no one did that.
I find it rage inducing that the Tories get away with throwing the charge at Labour of being the political elitist class.
I'm sure the biggest joke to him is that the "unwashed plebs" voted for them. You cannot make it up.It's always been a big joke to cnuts like him. These rich cnuts think Brexit is all a jolly wheeze and an easy way to make money They have never given a feck about people being worse off because it's mostly just a load of unwashed plebs that they don't have to ever encounter in real life.
Yeah I found the order, on the December 10th they issued an order of emergency use. And no is arguing against the UK vaccine program, that program just has nothing to do with Brexit.Thought it was something to do with the UK and Canada getting emergency or interim approval that lasted a year whilst the EMA wanted to get full approval for the vaccine?
Either way, its hard to argue that that aspect of the the UK's vaccine program hasn't worked out so far. Although this is probably better in the vaccine thread.
And somehow this motley collection of born to rule public schoolboys and offshore media magnates managed to paint remainers as the elite.It's always been a big joke to cnuts like him. These rich cnuts think Brexit is all a jolly wheeze and an easy way to make money They have never given a feck about people being worse off because it's mostly just a load of unwashed plebs that they don't have to ever encounter in real life.
Mogg needs a bloody good thrashing but he'd probably love that considering his background.And somehow this motley collection of born to rule public schoolboys and offshore media magnates managed to paint remainers as the elite.
Because they behave as similar as the Mafia's OmertaI didn't even know their was a fisheries minister. Tbf did it matter if she read it or not? Hardly likely to go this is a shit deal, we can't have this was she. In fact I'm surprised that they the Tories are backing her and haven't seized on this as a great opportunity to scapegoat someone for it.
If I would be more of a sensible man, that would make me cry. How they can be so cruel? If I would be a brittish fisherman and I would loose my life sustain and I would see this cnut saying this, I don't know if I would do something that I would regret later. How he can mock like this the lifehood of so many? Specially when he has a big part in the responsability? At least shut up
The line followed by Farage etc was the same line followed by Trump. Paint everyone against Brexit, them etc as the elite. This is what got them through and made Brexit. It’s a scary thought that the public who believed them cannot fathom that Farage and Mogg are conning them into believing that and they are in fact the elite. I mean how dim do you have to be to believe what Mogg says?I find it rage inducing that the Tories get away with throwing the charge at Labour of being the political elitist class.
These people don't care about the impacts to actual people it's just debate club fun to them.
Don't worry, is the same argument that UK couldn't enforce immigration policies because they were dictated by the EU, when it was the UK decision to not implement them. And that is how they truely won the referendumAgain. No, it’s nothing to do with brexit. The U.K. it any other country could still choose to do their own thing. The U.K. chose to gamble and accelerate the process rather than wait
Ah just playing a little bit of the old DA!I literally haven't argued anything. I have no opinion either way.
He is almost laughing. Man is trolling while people lose livelihoods
Because he has utter contempt for working class people (particularly the marks who fell for his con). If I were Sturgeon, that clip would be getting heavy rotation in any Indy Ref 2.If I would be more of a sensible man, that would make me cry. How they can be so cruel? If I would be a brittish fisherman and I would loose my life sustain and I would see this cnut saying this, I don't know if I would do something that I would regret later. How he can mock like this the lifehood of so many? Specially when he has a big part in the responsability? At least shut up
In a technical sense sure but I do think it‘s demonstrative of a benefit of Brexit. In certain situations a the UK can be more agile and responsive than if they were part of block.Yeah I found the order, on the December 10th they issued an order of emergency use. And no is arguing against the UK vaccine program, that program just has nothing to do with Brexit.
How can the fish be happy that they're British? They're dead
They committed economic suicide.How can the fish be happy that they're British? They're dead
They are happy to die in British watersHow can the fish be happy that they're British? They're dead
What are you talking about, it's not a race, EU members don't have the same vaccination strategies, they don't act as a block and the UK are currently the worst affected country in western Europe.In a technical sense sure but I do think it‘s demonstrative of a benefit of Brexit. In certain situations a the UK can be more agile and responsive than if they were part of block.
Did the EU27 make an error in thinking that sheer economic might would paramount in the vaccine race, or did they believe solidarity was key given that Brexit was just around the corner and because of the criticism it faced for not helping Italy enough during the early days of the pandemic?
Whatever the case, it‘s hard to believe that Germany would be so far behind right now if they’d have gone it alone given the strong hand they had in developing one of the successful vaccines, similar to the UK.
Well, JRM as Leader of the House (whatever that is supposed to mean) cannot be telling lies can he...How can the fish be happy that they're British? They're dead
Yes. And I am sure that is somehow the fault of the EU.What are you talking about, it's not a race, EU members don't have the same vaccination strategies, they don't act as a block and the UK are currently the worst affected country in western Europe.
He managed to convince the sheep, now he's trying to convince the fish.Well, JRM as Leader of the House (whatever that is supposed to mean) cannot be telling lies can he...
And so, he must have been talking to the British fish.
Shame he isn't sleeping with the fish as well....
I understand that the majority of UK Fishermen actually voted leave.He managed to convince the sheep, now he's trying to convince the fish.
Seriously, it does my head in. For some everything has to be seen from the EU vs UK point of view even when it's irrelevant. The french decision to not use the emergency use process is based on the french context, it has nothing to do with the EU but with the idea of not creating more doubts around the vaccine because apparently we have a fair amount of lunatics roaming our streets.Yes. And I am sure that is somehow the fault of the EU.
Race is just a turn of phrase. All badly affected countries are trying to to roll out vaccinations as fastly as possible, hence the use of ‘race’.What are you talking about, it's not a race, EU members don't have the same vaccination strategies, they don't act as a block and the UK are currently the worst affected country in western Europe.
Seriously, it does my head in. For some everything has to be seen from the EU vs UK point of view even when it's irrelevant. The french decision to not use the emergency use process is based on the french context, it has nothing to do with the EU but with the idea of not creating more doubts around the vaccine because apparently we have a fair amount of lunatics roaming our streets.
Here is the thing, only a few countries have used the emergency that the UK used, was that because the rest of the world is less agile than the UK even though they weren't part of a block that doesn't prevent them from doing the same thing? Or do you think that the reason is somewhere else and linked to these countries in particular, as I said, I know why France didn't do it and it has nothing to do with the EU.Race is just a turn of phrase. All badly affected countries are trying to to roll out vaccinations as fastly as possible, hence the use of ‘race’.
The EU27 acted as a block in terms of procurement and in terms of getting vaccines approved and the result has been suboptimal. I’m not sure that this is a controversial thing to claim?
What does the UK being the worst affected have to do with procurement and roll out? Belgium and Italy have more deaths per million population anyway but many countries in Europe have been terribly affected. Getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible is of paramount importance for all European nations.
Regardless, my point is that because of Brexit the UK can be more agile and responsive in some situations and I think this has been a case in point.
True but the real anger has to be directed at the likes of Farage, Gove and Hannan rather than the ordinary working joe who bought into their lies.I understand that the majority of UK Fishermen actually voted leave.
What goes around comes around eh.
But sadly, most all the bad news about Brexit is being lost in the general pandemic news.
In a weird way the pandemic has hidden many Brexit problems. If trade and tourism were operating at pre-Covid levels it would be utter chaos - only because travel and trading are so reduced the effects of Brexit have not been really seen (yet).I understand that the majority of UK Fishermen actually voted leave.
What goes around comes around eh.
But sadly, most all the bad news about Brexit is being lost in the general pandemic news.
I never passed comment on French motivations. I used Germany as an example and that‘s been a sentiment some German politicians have expressed ‘why are other countries rolling out a German vaccine before us’. It’s a fair question and I highly doubt if they’ve had procured independently they’d be in that situation. The German health minister has even said that they had to act ‘European’ in policy which certainly suggests some ideological consideration behind the decision.Here is the thing, only a few countries have used the emergency that the UK used, was that because the rest of the world is less agile than the UK even though they weren't part of a block that doesn't prevent them from doing the same thing? Or do you think that the reason is somewhere else and linked to these countries in particular, as I said, I know why France didn't do it and it has nothing to do with the EU.
If you can separate french and german motivations and strategies, then you are clearly talking about individual decisions which is my point. The issue isn't the supposed controversy but the lack of relevance because the question was about the approval of the vaccine which is a decision that is took at a national level.I never passed comment on French motivations. I used Germany as an example and that‘s been a sentiment some German politicians have expressed ‘why are other countries rolling out a German vaccine before us’. It’s a fair question and I highly doubt if they’ve had procured independently they’d be in that situation. The German health minister has even said that they had to act ‘European’ in policy which certainly suggest some ideological consideration behind the decision.
https://www.thelocal.de/20210113/ge...mistakes-in-covid-19-vaccine-strategy-january
You can look at what Israel have done as a small country by paying a premium to queue jump and they’re blasting it. I’m sure a number of smaller rich EU countries could have done that if they‘d have procured independently.
Again, my point is that as an independent nation in some situations you can be more agile and responsive than as part of a block. I don’t think this is a controversial point personally.