We don't really know what the sum is. Some reports suggest £18 million difference or more.
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This is Ed's chair on the negotiating table :
He likes it because its comfortable,got a couple of hanging toys and the colours make him happy.
Ed is a good business man, look at all the sponsorship he brings in that are keeping us a float without winning anything...... Problem we have he knows absolutely nothing about football
why is the is plonker even involved, the lad already has an agent. It's bad enough having to deal with agents but these "super" agents brought in to help "broker" deals just mess everything up. Why do they need his help to broker the deal. They've a club that has financial issues with a player who let's be honest, there isn't a line up of top clubs breaking their door down to sign him. They've a team who are willing to pay for him, fees "supposedly" agreed and then this Mendes cnut piles in and wants a fee paid to him, for what?
So frustrating......
Sorry but the fact that we bought 3 English players is not evidence that we have a buy British policy.
Haaland was not going to work for us because either a) he's not as dumb as people assume and he didn't want to come here b) the release clause was too low not giving us control over his future or C) Raiola. Realistically I think most sane people can see that he made the best decision for HIS future. Ole went to fecking see him so clearly we were interested.
Hernandes certainly appears to be someone we are after and we've heard about 12 different explanations as to why its not happened yet so clearly they can't all be right.
So, in 2 windows we'd signed 3 english players (2 of which pretty much everyone expected anyway) and have then tried to sign Haaland and Hernandes
Where the feck did I say that it couldn't have been spent better?
I don't have a log in?
Basically like saying "Just because the ground is covered in snow out there it doesn't provide any evidence that it was snowing"
Except that it’s not like that. At all.
Well I'm suggesting that we massively overpaid for AWB and you're saying that you think we didn't.
You're entitled to your opinion, so it's fine, you don't need to backtrack on it.
If you think Wan Bissaka was a snip at £50m then fair enough, I think we got shafted massively.
It would be more like saying "Just because the ground is covered in snow out there it doesn't provide any evidence that it has never rained".
Which is a more accurate but equally stupid analogy.
Which is a more accurate but equally stupid analogy.
So if we did only offer £40m + addons, and Sporting want £50m + addons, are you suggesting a 25% increase in the base price is something the club should not try to negotiate?
No, I didn't say that. I said it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that that is how much he cost.
How many papers reported this briefing?
The definition of press briefing has really been confused on here lately.
I hope they get a couple of insulting proposals so maybe they realise how deep in the mud they dragged the club in.
The thing is, he’s not going to get his man at 40m in this example. He can negotiate for the entire month and at best we’ll pay 45m+addons. Although his base price was 25% off, in reality we will save 10% or so. Not getting the player can compound problems very quickly. Now let’s say we had Bruno at the start of the month without the whole saga, we might have looked decisive, with injuries to players Bruno would be a massive help, we may have avoided two premier league defeats back-to-back and the pressure on the manager could’ve been far lesser.
If he is indeed determined to get a cheaper player than Bruno, then he should make the executive decision and go for someone else early in the window and land that player. If that player is a failure, it’s Ed’s decision and he should be held accountable just like he should be held responsible for delaying this transfer. Lack of accountability is the biggest problem at Man Utd.
Reports in Portugal (papers) that we have increased our offer by 5 mill.
Thanks - this is more accounting than I know, so I'd like to abstract out some of the detail there and look at it from a higher level. I want to say first that my intuition is that the financial side of the business is pretty well run and that Ed is a smart cookie when it comes to finances. My claim (in my previous posts) is that we don't have the kind of money to spend 80M on Bruno now (which is what people in this thread are asking us to do) and also continue to invest in the summer on a Sancho level player (bringing our spending to 200M or so in one season). Maybe transfer spending is just accounting tricks and if you invest in an asset that has a high likelihood of appreciating in value (like Sancho or Pogba) and we don't even have to worry about it and we can pay whatever we want.
For the last two years, we've spent about 70M in transfers (net) even with additional revenues in the form of CL money and I'm expecting that to continue this year as well. The Chinese sponsorship deal might offset the CL money, but do you think we can be financially responsible and yet still invest the kinds of money people are talking about now?
Not sure what you mean by your question here, but my objection is that even if we're not pennypinching, we're certainly spending way less than we could if we didn't have interest + dividend payments each year. That's to the tune of ~60-70M / year and over 15 years that adds up to a ~900M - 1 Bn not spent on improving the club, its facilities or its squad. This is not even considering additional revenues we would've had if we had invested in the first place during Fergie's final years and had consistent CL.
I always look for updates at BBC sport. Any better places to follow transfer news?
Woah,dont over do it,Ed.
He must have thought long and hard over this before committing to it.What do we have, another 7 days to piss about..??
Maybe this deal could still be done.....in the customary keystone cops style..
What do we have, another 7 days to piss about..??
Maybe this deal could still be done.....in the customary keystone cops style..
In my head, the entire 9 man Swiss sponsorship delegation (led by Woodward) is gonna storm the Lisbon offices with a megaphone and Neil Ashton scribbling down ideas.
While I'm not best pleased by our nickle and dime dog and pony show over this proposed transfer, I'm also inclined to tell Sporting that their financial shithousery isn't our problem and we're not responsible for bailing them out of a bad situation of their own making.
Spoken like a true banker.
damn straight!This deal will get done....late on......and when the details come to light it will show that we paid a lot more than what Ed wanted to and just like the Wan-Bissaka haggle in the summer we end up paying nearly what they wanted......
With all these accountants at the club, you'd think someone would do some cost analysis and try and put a value on the points we will have lost (3 at home to Burnley for starters) over the season that will be directly attributed to us having a threadbare squad and not making sufficient plans to alleviate the weaknesses......I mean - whats the cost of not making the top 4? Sponsership kickbacks?
In any normal season we would have been so far off 4th place by now that you could say ok let's wait for the summer - but somehow, due to the poor quality of other teams around us - we are in 5th place and could have made a serious effort to get 4th with a little clever recruitment and investment ........
It all feels like a too little too late........again
Us having a wank stain of a midfield isn't their problem either
Brings back memories of when Ed bid 25m for Fabregas, or when he thought that a £28m joint bid for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines would be accepted.
If we paid 50 million for Wan Bissaka, we should be in theory paying about 60 to 65 million for Bruno.
Agreed. We have a bqd reputation of overpaying. So many clubs have fleeced us its beyond ridiculous. Sporting can get fecked.
If this deal does get done, we will be well placed for the summer. Hopefully one of Tuanzebe or Bailly shows us that we don't need a centre back in the summer. We would be able to sell Pogba for a sizeable sum and potentially sign a right winger as well. That would give us a competitive first xi moving forward, and all future transfers we would be making would be to improve the quality we have in those positions or adding squad depth as opposed to filling up glaring holes.
If this deal doesn't go through, I'm not sure how much faith I have in Woodward to negotiate three transfers in a summer window in which a euros will be played.
If this deal doesn't go through, I'm not sure how much faith I have in Woodward to negotiate three transfers in a summer window in which a euros will be played.
Well maybe we shouldn’t. It’s got to stop somewhere. Can you imagine well run clubs like BM being fecked about?
Our sponsorship isn’t results based apparently.
Let’s be honest we are getting no one in this window. Ole has virtually made that clear today
I honestly hope the shirt sponsors just ask what our projected finish is over the next two years and then laugh at anything they are told.
Let’s be honest we are getting no one in this window. Ole has virtually made that clear today
I honestly hope the shirt sponsors just ask what our projected finish is over the next two years and then laugh at anything they are told.
Oh and anyone still thinking Jason sancho is turning up in the summer is having a laugh
Even if we are haggling over the price why does it take so long. Surely the conversation can only take a couple of hours.
I wonder if our negotiators are getting paid on hourly based.
I honestly prefer Jadon, but doubt we'll get either.
Howard Nurse. He just confirmed that Bruno Fernandes had moved to Novara
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