Catalonia referendum| Catalonia declares independence from Spain

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[4bars]

Longing for the days of Franco, perhaps?

Please, dont name him, some people gets anxious

 

[André Dominguez]

Spanish government did terribly on this subject. Instead of diplomacy, and trying to devalue the referendum by saying osmething like "we need to address the issue why people from Catalonia are feeling this way, etc", all they did was being reactionary, and things could only get more serious from there. It was highly irresponsible from the part of the central government to act the way they did.

 

[Woodzy]

I was there all last week. Protests were mostly harmless, although quite a lot of vandalism and hooliganism and clear that the minority were in it just to be bellends.

We got caught up in the protest at Sagrada Familia on Friday and did panick a little when the protestors rushed an exit as it opened round the back.

 

[4bars]

I was there all last week. Protests were mostly harmless, although quite a lot of vandalism and hooliganism and clear that the minority were in it just to be bellends.

We got caught up in the protest at Sagrada Familia on Friday and did panick a little when the protestors rushed an exit as it opened round the back.

Well yes, They are making the effort to look that the independentism is violent, but if it would be violent, it would be civil war. There was more than half a million on Friday in a pacific demonstration. If akk this people would be violent, there is no police that could confront that

 

[4bars]

And the catalan president requested to meet with the spanish one that is visiting Barcelona. He completely ignore him. Even if you think that the catalan president is on the wrong, in that moments of crisis you have to do something as PM of Spain. Something political

There is 0 interest to find a political solution. Is only repression, had been since always

 

[UweBein]

What is Pedro Sanchez doing?

 

[4bars]

What is Pedro Sanchez doing?

As I said in the message above, ignore the catalan president (He asked to meet) today when he visited barcelona and say basically nothing that is not on ironfist strength key as they have the elections on the 10 of november

 

[UweBein]

As I said in the message above, ignore the catalan president (He asked to meet) today when he visited barcelona and say basically nothing that is not on ironfist strength key as they have the elections on the 10 of november

But why…? Can you explain that?... Dies He behave the same way as his predecessor.

 

[4bars]

But why…? Can you explain that?... Dies He behave the same way as his predecessor.

His predecessor was who started all that mess in 2006

Why he does this? because the elctoral had shown that they value no mercy with the catalan situation (on a majority, obviously not all of spaniards) so he has to show that he will make no concessions whatsover. Not even start a dialogue as it would be perceived weak. And he wont change this stance ever, specially having elections in 4 3 weeks (not that he will do anything after).

 

[Sir Matt]

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This is wild.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ice-arrest-21-in-raids-on-catalan-separatists

 

[4bars]

This is indeed wild. Is unbelievable than in a society like the spanish and the catalan this quote be even remotely true. As well how it could be possible that they would pay catalonia's debt being almost 10% of the russian GDP. But if they say it so surely is that it might be true. And if is true, is true also that Puigdemont refused it. Lets see the proves. because one thing is that you look to have it, and the other that you had been offered between thirds and fourths parties.

 

[utdalltheway]

Russia putting soldiers in a nato country? Paying off a huge debt?
If there is a roundup then this is one fantastic way to try to legitimize it.

 

[Blodssvik]

Apparently Putin was offering tactical nukes as well.

 

[4bars]

Spanish government had been always this the last 2 years. When there are bad news that affect them, they detain independentists. Most of the times with lies. It happened in the apst when they detained a demosntrator accusing her of terrorism. After a year they realeased her (but the news barely said nothing) with no charges. It happened with 4 guys accused of having bombs when it was fireworks (released later).

This time the Caught a 150 people party 3 days ago with several politicians (health care minister, mayor and MP of the region of madrid, the leader of the opposition party nationwide and others) mostly without mask and distance like....nothing happened. 1 day after they applied curfew in Spain

To distract, detain catalan independentist

The funny thing is the operation was called by the Guardia Civil (military police in spain) "Volhov Operatio"n that makes reference a battle that a spanish contingence from the fascist Franco governement was sent to help Hitler in Leningrad. Basically making a fascist proud battle the name of it. Another proof (among so many) on how fascism is well and alive in the leading institutions in Spain

 

[Nani Nana]

The funny thing is the operation was called by the Guardia Civil (military police in spain) "Volhov Operatio"n that makes reference a battle that a spanish contingence from the fascist Franco governement was sent to help Hitler in Leningrad. Basically making a fascist proud battle the name of it. Another proof (among so many) on how fascism is well and alive in the leading institutions in Spain

Incredible

 

[UweBein]

Apparently Putin was offering tactical nukes as well.

I love how Putin is interested and involved in everything nowadays: Trump, Brexit, hacking of EU/Germany, far right movements in Eu, Wirecard scandal, Ukraine, Georgia, Catalonia, French and Italian elections, arming the Taliban, Syria/Turkey, helping the anti-vaccine movement... he is the ultimate poster-evil-overlord.

 

[Sky1981]

I'm no putih lover but it's amazing how a twitter from a relatively nobody somehow can have a classified info that no other intelligent bureau have.

It's not even logical, if putin really offers did all that we wont know it first from twitter.

Dont believe anything too easily

 

[Nani Nana]

I'm no putih lover but it's amazing how a twitter from a relatively nobody somehow can have a classified info that no other intelligent bureau have.

It's not even logical, if putin really offers did all that we wont know it first from twitter.

Dont believe anything too easily

To be fair to him, that guy claims to be a former CIA officer. Which does not necessarily mean much.

What is clear though is how obvious his political leanings are judging from that account, particularly with regards to Putin.

 

[Sky1981]

To be fair to him, that guy claims to be a former CIA officer. Which does not necessarily mean much.

What is clear though is how obvious his political leanings are judging from that account, particularly with regards to Putin.

Or it's a very biased reporting. Very easy to gain public support when you use putin to antagonise things

 

[4bars]

Spain had been seeking russia-catalonia connection since the beginning. You can see 2 years ago when they were trying to push it. Is a long video from the uk parliament tv, a neutral source.

The video is very long (2 hours) and you can see the spanish representatives trying to sell their points very poorly like twitter trolls and russia media

But look how they crumble when they are ask for evidence:

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/e88c1024-f637-4191-8f29-61d63801f5a6?in=12:12:34&out=12:13:50

And any analysis had been done on the impact of the results and being caught up in incongruities

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/e88c1024-f637-4191-8f29-61d63801f5a6?in=12:16:39&out=12:20:08

There are more Easter eggs in the video that I saw long time ago, but the spanish representatives show that they have 0 proof and is all based in how russia media reported anything and supposed twitter bots. Some mumbling and rumbling trying to save the questions and nothing more. Full link of the +2 hours video:

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/e88c1024-f637-4191-8f29-61d63801f5a6

Also in this pro catalan indepedentist link (therefore, biased) the UK parliament reported that the theory that Russia promoted the Catalan independence movement through fake news websites and large-scale retweeting is "exceptionally misleading"

https://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/report-uk-parliament-russia-catalan-independence_260421_102.html

As I said the article is redacted in a biased point of view, but the actual UK parliament report is inside the article and it say exactly that:

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenev...d-sport-committee/fake-news/written/80989.pdf

The spanish government just wanted to align themselves with US and UK with russian interferences to gain sympathies, but the truth is unfortunately, nobody cares of catalonia. At least not at the lengths to spend their resources in it (let alone 10.000 soldiers and paying 80 billion euros in debt because...we worth it). The spanish media and government had been spinning this and flooding internet with that narrative and at the same time making believe that a regional government has more power internationally than them to control the media

 

[Cheimoon]

To be fair to him, that guy claims to be a former CIA officer. Which does not necessarily mean much.

What is clear though is how obvious his political leanings are judging from that account, particularly with regards to Putin.

So does QAnon. Well, not CIA, but same difference.