It's not the WC, though is it. It's always been an exhibition game. SA champs versus European champs. Much like the Super Cup and Charity Shield.
Which is clearly bollocks. Italians and Spanish have never taken it seriously.
It's never carried any weight, and that's the point that's being made. As I've mentioned above, the Super Cup carries as much weight. If we were being some what xenophobic then I'm sure we would've been saying the same about the European Cup. But I wonder why we don't. Maybe because it's a proper competition.
Strangely enough this is the most significant title in the world. For a club.
It's not though.
This is far more important than that.
You don't have to be the best to win this Cup though, that's the thing. If Adelaide United had won three games in this tournament they would have been crowned Club World Cup champions, that wouldn't make them the best team in the world, would it?
Those first three paragraphs literally don't make any sense.
Says who? Where I live it means a hell of a lot more to say we're World Champions
We had to qualify first for the Champions League by winning our own league. Then play 6 group games in the CL , then Home and Away from last 16 to final then Moscow......... to qualify to play these two games!.........to become World Champions
Because it's just an added bonus to winning a Cup competition.Those first three paragraphs literally don't make any sense.
You do realise you have to win the Champion's League (or the equivalent in Asia, the Americas or Africa) to even be allowed to compete in this tournament.
How the feck is tomorrow's game even vaguely comparable to fecking Portsmouth competing for the Charity Shield?
- bet they had the double decker bus through the town stuff as well
Actually that's not true at all least according to Tim Vickery. For the South Americans its their one and only chance to pit themselves against the darn Europeans who steal all their best players and bring home some glory.
Is that right? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of fans in Europe and in South America would place their respective continental cup competitions above this Club World Cup.
The 2008 CL Final a waste of time then? You don't have to be the best team in Europe to be the European Champions, does that make the competition worthless?
Impossible to judge that really isn't it? For a Euro/SA team to win the CWC it is necessary to have won the Continental Cup Competition.
No its not. Its the tournament to find the World Champion Club team. And that's Official!
The charity shield ia and always has been a fun game to start the season. Meaningless if we lose or even if we win. Of no local, National or International significance. Outside of England I doubt a single soul even knows it exists.
Since when were the FA Cup winners considered the second best team in England
How wrong can you be. You had to win your FIFA region's Champions League to get into this tournament. Like the European Cup used to be. Are you saying that just because we won the European CL that we're not the best in Europe? How strange. The Adelaide/Waikaerikarere bit was puzzling though I must say, even to those in the know, but I'm ignoring all that because the setup has allowed for shit happening in the early rounds. Two of the last four have to be Europe and S America and this accepted by all the other regions. Everyone else has to fight for that semi final place. Pretty logical to me. The whole World has the opportunity to win it.
see above
I does seem that every thread that has anything to do with this tournament has turned into the same argument - this one is just supposed to be about changing the chant!Im lovin the debate guys, keep it up.
I will say that FIFA hosts this tournament and grants the winner the official title of the 'World Champions'. Thats more than good enough for me.
The CL final is part of the Cl, so that's irrelevant.
I know what you mean and I can see it changing a lot in the next few years. A mini tournament, played in the summers when there aren't WCs/Euros with the top clubs might work - but it'll all come down to financing. Big enough to attract TV without becoming a burden or a mess? Not easy, but I bet someone will take a crack at it.
Is that right? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of fans in Europe and in South America would place their respective continental cup competitions above this Club World Cup.
We had to do that to qualify for it, but the competition as a whole is devalued because of the length of it, IMO.
You're right Bahama, you're right and I'm wrong.
I'm right on this one. I'll leave you to yourself.
But its not a subjective argument.
Of course not, we're the best team in the world whether we win it or not.
Definitely, it's nice to hear and it's a nice title to have.
Of course it will. That's what its all about. Football. On the field. All arguments settled. Whoever scores the most wins!!! All the contenders are ready! Winner takes all. I love this game.
And if they had have won all their games who could deny them their title. That's what sport is all about.
It will do if we become World Champions though. After all we would have official bragging rights. No arguments.
You're arguing the same point over and over here again Bahama, at least try to make a different point because I might well admit you're right if you do make a point I can agree with.
The king, to be sure. That's official too.
because the European Cup WAS something and denial of that was just English 50s insularity. This is nothing but fanny.
Have to say I disagree.
So sad....
You are wrong if you think it is bolloks just becuase that winning this title after only two victories. You have to win the PL or finish at top 4 to go the CL. Then you have to win the CL. So you must get dozens of victories.
People seem to forget that the World Club Championship has been around for nearly 50 years and it's never taken off, whereas the EC and WC quite rightfully did. That said, I enjoyed winning it today. Our second one, overall.
You could theoretically argue the same for the CL not deciding the 'best team in Europe' as anything can happen in knockout football.
