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I don't see them winning the league,plus they've had an easy enough run of games lately.Why? They don't have Europe. Chelsea isn't known for bottling or fizzling, at least in years where they are good.
Don't think we'll win it either, but we've had far from an easy run. We've made it look easy more like.I don't see them winning the league,plus they've had an easy enough run of games lately.
He definitely is, at the very least he is very competent and has found a good balance and formation which is something I thought Jose would do for us.Their performance today was one of the best I can remember for a while in the Prem. Everton barely had a shot, and some of Chelsea's goals were outstanding. Conte is proving to be a great manager.
I think that job was easier at Chelsea. Even with their Roman merry-go-round of managers , they have always struck me as purchasing Mourinho-ish players for the most part. Villas-Boas aside, most their managers have stuck to a rough blueprint similar to Mourinho. I always felt that Mourinho left a blueprint for Chelsea that they more or less followed to some degree since then (obviously some managers diverted to a degree but identity remained mostly the same).He definitely is, at the very least he is very competent and has found a good balance and formation which is something I thought Jose would do for us.
Prefer Arsenal actuallyMuch rather they win it than Arsenal, Liverpool or City.
I played 3-4-3 during my high school days. The difference with LVG's version of the system is that his wing backs aren't as hard working as Conte's. Without hard working wing backs, the formation goes to shit. Also, playing a flat 4 or 5 midfield (which Koeman did today) vs a 3-4-3 is asking for trouble. All the wingbacks need to do is play the ball along the line then run diagonally to pull your players out of position. It works as long as you have players willing to work their asses off.This is a very good point. LVG was slaughtered for using that formation while everyone is currently waxing lyrical about Conte. Although Conte's team seem to pass with more purpose & are much more direct I think the difference between the two systems are ultimately the level of players.
His players are working harder, that's the only difference I'm seeing.Chelsea are genuine contenders now. Conte seems to be operating at a much higher level than Mourinho. I cant help but think we got the wrong man.
Same players who were deemed mentally weak and useless under Jose last season?His players are working harder, that's the only difference I'm seeing.
-pretty muchSame players who were deemed mentally weak and useless under Jose last season?
Yeah I wouldnt mind Wenger winning one more title. As long as its not the dippers.Prefer Arsenal actually
Agree with this. chelsea have stuck with the 03/04 Mourinho doctrine up until this season when Conte has varianted with his 343. That initial Mourinho squad also largely stayed in tact and any outgoings were largely replaced with similar technical players. Terry, Cole and Lampard ensured the club culture also remained the same.I think that job was easier at Chelsea. Even with their Roman merry-go-round of managers , they have always struck me as purchasing Mourinho-ish players for the most part. Villas-Boas aside, most their managers have stuck to a rough blueprint similar to Mourinho. I always felt that Mourinho left a blueprint for Chelsea that they more or less followed to some degree since then (obviously some managers diverted to a degree but identity remained mostly the same).
The problem with your situation is you really don't even have a consistent over-arching blueprint either intentional (like City) or organic (Chelsea perhaps). I think Arsenal has the same problem because our organizational blueprint, like you, is based on one man. Wenger and Ferguson were really the last of the "manager dictator" model at the highest level. Its why I am very conditionally Wenger Out. More than Wenger out or in I want a viable and stable transition plan to a manager like Tuchel for instance. I care more about having a DoF like Monchi or Rangnick than I care about specific manager because there needs to be an over-arching organization consistency. Clubs like Atletico, Sevilla, Bayern and Leipzig have a strategic plan. Arsenal doesn't. Our strategic plan "ask Wenger". That's not a stable strategy. Its dangerous to leave everything up to each manager's tactical plans in this day and age IMO.
Ferguson, Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho all have different blueprints that aren't consistent when you look at them all together. What I think you need now, and Arsenal desperately needs before Wenger retires is something like a DoF like Monchi or Rangnick that can ensure a consistent plan no matter who the manager is.
They had simply had enough of JM last season, it seemed his behavior had become too much. They look motivated again.Same players who were deemed mentally weak and useless under Jose last season?
Well that, and them clearly understanding the system they're playing in, their individual roles within that system, and the players actually suiting those roles...His players are working harder, that's the only difference I'm seeing.
I think this is imprecise. Chelsea doesn't mind not having the ball and aims for lightning fast transitions. Either from back to front, or side to side when in established attack.This is a very good point. LVG was slaughtered for using that formation while everyone is currently waxing lyrical about Conte. Although Conte's team seem to pass with more purpose & are much more direct I think the difference between the two systems are ultimately the level of players.
They downed tools last season.Same players who were deemed mentally weak and useless under Jose last season?
Their performance today was one of the best I can remember for a while in the Prem. Everton barely had a shot, and some of Chelsea's goals were outstanding. Conte is proving to be a great manager.
You mean he didn't prove it before by building a dominant Juve side?Conte is proving to be a great manager.
Helps that he dropped two of the bigger disappointments from last season in Ivanovic and Fabregas. Mourinho just continued to play them.Same players who were deemed mentally weak and useless under Jose last season?
Ehehe a bit insular our hosts, aren't they? However, Conte is very good at rebuilding but he still need to prove he can be a fine architect. He left Juve arguing they were not worth the upper cl level only for them getting to the final with Allegri the very next year. Same with Italy, he overachieved with a weak squad at the Euros but left before proving he can build on his own foundational layer and reach the next level at the Worlds. I think Chelsea will win the league this year because they are good enough and are having their pride restored, but Conte's real test will be next year CL, he has to reach the semis at least.You mean he didn't prove it before by building a dominant Juve side?
The english arrogance astonishes me. Next you'll be all waiting for Simeone to prove himself as a coach on the mighty EPL.
How petty. Chelsea wouldn't have hired him if they didn't think he was already a great manager, my point is he's proving himself in yet another league. Who knows, Simeone could come here and be utter shite.You mean he didn't prove it before by building a dominant Juve side?
The english arrogance astonishes me. Next you'll be all waiting for Simeone to prove himself as a coach on the mighty EPL.
Yes. Top 4 and the title not going to spurs, dippers or arsenal would/should be fine for every Chelsea fan.I'd still be very happy with a Top4-finish. As things stand there are probably 6-7 teams that can still win it. All teams will hit a rough patch from here on. The question will be which team will allow themselves the shortest of blips. IMO the PL will be won by a team with less than 80 points.