City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches

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So we are relying on incompetence from the top teams to keep the league competitive and fun? Was financial injections for City ok as long as they had Hughes and Mancini and Pellegrini in place?

I've made this point earlier but we will see this similar level of dominance from United if Sir Jim has got his team spot on from the CEO to the head coach. It will be accepted by many because "earned money la" but there'll be the same result.
I think you’ve completely and utterly misunderstood that the revenue league currently looks like the list below although I actually needed about another 300 dots before United to get it anywhere near “scale”.
I’ll leave the Saudi’s out for now as much stricter FFP rules have at least currently kept them acting within the framework of a football club’s regular possibilities.

Take away FFP (or cheat it like Abu Dhabi) and the league becomes a mockery, as per below.

1. Abu Dhabi - 200 + billion GDP
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2. Manchester United 745m
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3. Liverpool 682m
4. Spurs 632m
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5. Chelsea 589m
6. Arsenal 532m
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7. Newcastle United 288m
8. West Ham 275m

Now regular Champions League football gives teams like Newcastle or West Ham a similar opportunity for organic growth as it did Tottenham. They can shorten that gap significantly (Spurs from 45% of United’s revenue in 2008, to 84% now).
Can anyone get within 0.5% (that’s 1 billion-ish) of Abu Dhabi if ffp just gets scrapped or they cheat and get away with it?
 
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City are purchased by Abu Dhabi in September 2008. Manchester City placed 9th the season prior. Abu Dhabi get to work buying players who wouldn't otherwise even look in City's direction. 9th place in 2007/'08 becomes 8th place in 2008/'09; the initial steps of the process take a while to bed in, as the old is replaced with the new. City's first big leap takes place the next season with 8th place bested by three positions. They finish the 2009/'10 season in 5th position. We're now in 2010/'11 and City have sacked Hughes and got their first big name coach in Roberto Mancini. They finish 3rd that season and are now a Champions League club. They've been a perennial fixture in the CL places ever since.

There are no cyclic ups or downs, no consequence for poor purchases where normal clubs are lumped with players whose value plummets who they then cannot get off their books because they cannot afford to pay up their contracts willy-nilly and no other club will take them on without subsidy. There is no fear or regard for any of the recognised norms clubs who are not state-owned are hamstrung by. City are a guaranteed lock for a CL place, thus taking it away from any legitimate contender who is then vying with the remainder for 'a go'. The established Old Order are hurt by this, but the remainder are absolutely crushed by it because they have to have more luck than ever before, or take on more financial risk than ever before to try and break this new status quo.

Meanwhile, of the Old Order, not one of them has been a lock in the CL positions as a perennial fixture since 2009/'10

Manchester United have missed out on the CL 5, going on 6 times (once this season concludes).

Liverpool have missed out on the CL 6 times.

Chelsea have missed out on the CL 4, going on 5 times (once this season concludes).

Arsenal have missed out on the CL 6 times.

This is the Old Order, look how many times these so-called behemoths have failed to qualify for the Champions League since City became an indubitable fixture in the competition. Whether you wish to count Chelsea or not, the point remains - Chelsea are more an example of a club with no hope forcing themselves into the conversation, but not overstepping the mark to the point they have broken football.

Now, as stated by numerous people and their painstaking efforts to make clear how damaging what City are doing is, it's not the clubs above who are the most put out by City, it's the teams below them who, without City's permanency would have had a chance to make their play for the top table. Spurs are going to have been the biggest fall guys, but now it's also the likes of Villa as they try and push through the glass ceiling to compete directly with the teams above (and not City).

There is no time in English football history where Old Orders (they used to be dynamic: Wolves, for example, used to be a big dog up to the conclusion of the 1950's) as there have been - or supposedly established - where those teams remained, perennially, at the helm. In fact, most are defined by golden periods followed by fallow times where they cannot compete for the league nor CL (or previously, the European Cup).

Great periods for these sides are attributed to great men doing unbelievably shrewd work within a financial remit that whilst at the higher end, was not obliterating those around them - the clubs ebbed and flowed with the passage of these managers. City are a faceless state, as @Regulus Arcturus Black stated, there is no way for them to fail because they will always have the best in class, will always replace the best with the best and there will never be a lull due to financial instability or uncertainty. In other words, completely and utterly artificial conditions, especially when contrasted with what history has told us about every one of the Old Order, who all, to a club, could/did/have slumped and have had to re-establish themselves once more years down the line.

It's clear that what some see as "Manchester United" is actually an infernal loathing of Alex Ferguson and the brilliance he ushered into the club, which immediately lost its way without him at the top. In the following 10 years, the cluelessness, and more importantly, the consequences of that cluelessness, have not only seen Manchester United fall back into the pack, but for most of the time, be behind them by some distance. The exact same thing befell Liverpool when Dalglish handed over to Souness and sent them flailing, not only off the top spot, but to be out of the running for the title for years. In very short order, both clubs went from halcyon periods with great players to an exodus and squads and managers who hadn't a prayer. This is how the Old Order works and what their pitfalls are. One or two bad managerial hires and they can fall like a house of cards because consequence for poor decisions then comes back to haunt them as a debt that needs paying in full. These old clubs don't just get to wipe the slate clean each season and go again with a brand new set of players if the bad buys don't work out. They are lumped with them and the general bar for the side will steadily diminish. Arsenal experienced exactly the same thing once Wenger stopped shitting gold. The stadium didn't help, but it wasn't their downfall, but it highlights another point and consequence: the either, or. By pouring money into the new stadium, they were going to be hamstrung for years. A conscious decision made to better their stadium meant less money could be pumped into the team, and anyone coming to manage them had to accept that. At City? Nope, we'll redevelop a portion of the city - yes, the literal city - whilst still hiring best in class across all facets on off and the pitch with no fallout whatsoever. Hmm... clearly the same playing field as what everyone else is uuming and ahhing from.

The worst thing of all is City didn't have to cheat as a state is going to be Borg-like in its assimilation by its very nature. It cannot be anything else, which is why it has no place in football, but that's besides the point as this is about cheating to achieve ends as hurriedly and as artificially as one can imagine.

As much as the Old Order could be despised by those who were not part of it, they were not infinite or unmovable. Every single one of them had sizeable lulls multiple times in their histories and provided opportunities for others to take their slice of the pie should they be so fortunate to go upwind at the time of a boon for the game. We'll never know what would have happened without City in the picture, but history tells us, quite clearly, that even the biggest of English clubs has never been too big to not fail, until now. With Ferguson's retirement, there was no guarantee status quo would have remained, but unlike in the past, where new players could gobble up space, things quickly became established in this new, most broken order where the winningest team's biggest concerns are in how to hide their wrongdoing. The footballing side of things, a total formality due to them having no consequences for anything that goes wrong.
Excellent post!
 

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When you watch Sky and vehicles like it praising City to high heaven, you know there's nothing serious coming their way in terms of reprimand. It's all positive with no scrutiny or even thought toward why City can do what they do so late in the season. They are being championed and adored and are obviously seen as the golden goose of the PL. They aren't going to be cast out.
 

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When you watch Sky and vehicles like it praising City to high heaven, you know there's nothing serious coming their way in terms of reprimand. It's all positive with no scrutiny or even thought toward why City can do what they do so late in the season. They are being championed and adored and are obviously seen as the golden goose of the PL. They aren't going to be cast out.
Yup. And this is why I don’t want them to win a fourth title in a row. The gloating from Arsenal fans will pale in comparison to the sickening praise of 115 Charges FC if the latter win.
 

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City are purchased by Abu Dhabi in September 2008. Manchester City placed 9th the season prior. Abu Dhabi get to work buying players who wouldn't otherwise even look in City's direction. 9th place in 2007/'08 becomes 8th place in 2008/'09; the initial steps of the process take a while to bed in, as the old is replaced with the new. City's first big leap takes place the next season with 8th place bested by three positions. They finish the 2009/'10 season in 5th position. We're now in 2010/'11 and City have sacked Hughes and got their first big name coach in Roberto Mancini. They finish 3rd that season and are now a Champions League club. They've been a perennial fixture in the CL places ever since.

There are no cyclic ups or downs, no consequence for poor purchases where normal clubs are lumped with players whose value plummets who they then cannot get off their books because they cannot afford to pay up their contracts willy-nilly and no other club will take them on without subsidy. There is no fear or regard for any of the recognised norms clubs who are not state-owned are hamstrung by. City are a guaranteed lock for a CL place, thus taking it away from any legitimate contender who is then vying with the remainder for 'a go'. The established Old Order are hurt by this, but the remainder are absolutely crushed by it because they have to have more luck than ever before, or take on more financial risk than ever before to try and break this new status quo.

Meanwhile, of the Old Order, not one of them has been a lock in the CL positions as a perennial fixture since 2009/'10

Manchester United have missed out on the CL 5, going on 6 times (once this season concludes).

Liverpool have missed out on the CL 6 times.

Chelsea have missed out on the CL 4, going on 5 times (once this season concludes).

Arsenal have missed out on the CL 6 times.

This is the Old Order, look how many times these so-called behemoths have failed to qualify for the Champions League since City became an indubitable fixture in the competition. Whether you wish to count Chelsea or not, the point remains - Chelsea are more an example of a club with no hope forcing themselves into the conversation, but not overstepping the mark to the point they have broken football.

Now, as stated by numerous people and their painstaking efforts to make clear how damaging what City are doing is, it's not the clubs above who are the most put out by City, it's the teams below them who, without City's permanency would have had a chance to make their play for the top table. Spurs are going to have been the biggest fall guys, but now it's also the likes of Villa as they try and push through the glass ceiling to compete directly with the teams above (and not City).

There is no time in English football history where Old Orders (they used to be dynamic: Wolves, for example, used to be a big dog up to the conclusion of the 1950's) as there have been - or supposedly established - where those teams remained, perennially, at the helm. In fact, most are defined by golden periods followed by fallow times where they cannot compete for the league nor CL (or previously, the European Cup).

Great periods for these sides are attributed to great men doing unbelievably shrewd work within a financial remit that whilst at the higher end, was not obliterating those around them - the clubs ebbed and flowed with the passage of these managers. City are a faceless state, as @Regulus Arcturus Black stated, there is no way for them to fail because they will always have the best in class, will always replace the best with the best and there will never be a lull due to financial instability or uncertainty. In other words, completely and utterly artificial conditions, especially when contrasted with what history has told us about every one of the Old Order, who all, to a club, could/did/have slumped and have had to re-establish themselves once more years down the line.

It's clear that what some see as "Manchester United" is actually an infernal loathing of Alex Ferguson and the brilliance he ushered into the club, which immediately lost its way without him at the top. In the following 10 years, the cluelessness, and more importantly, the consequences of that cluelessness, have not only seen Manchester United fall back into the pack, but for most of the time, be behind them by some distance. The exact same thing befell Liverpool when Dalglish handed over to Souness and sent them flailing, not only off the top spot, but to be out of the running for the title for years. In very short order, both clubs went from halcyon periods with great players to an exodus and squads and managers who hadn't a prayer. This is how the Old Order works and what their pitfalls are. One or two bad managerial hires and they can fall like a house of cards because consequence for poor decisions then comes back to haunt them as a debt that needs paying in full. These old clubs don't just get to wipe the slate clean each season and go again with a brand new set of players if the bad buys don't work out. They are lumped with them and the general bar for the side will steadily diminish. Arsenal experienced exactly the same thing once Wenger stopped shitting gold. The stadium didn't help, but it wasn't their downfall, but it highlights another point and consequence: the either, or. By pouring money into the new stadium, they were going to be hamstrung for years. A conscious decision made to better their stadium meant less money could be pumped into the team, and anyone coming to manage them had to accept that. At City? Nope, we'll redevelop a portion of the city - yes, the literal city - whilst still hiring best in class across all facets on off and the pitch with no fallout whatsoever. Hmm... clearly the same playing field as what everyone else is uuming and ahhing from.

The worst thing of all is City didn't have to cheat as a state is going to be Borg-like in its assimilation by its very nature. It cannot be anything else, which is why it has no place in football, but that's besides the point as this is about cheating to achieve ends as hurriedly and as artificially as one can imagine.

As much as the Old Order could be despised by those who were not part of it, they were not infinite or unmovable. Every single one of them had sizeable lulls multiple times in their histories and provided opportunities for others to take their slice of the pie should they be so fortunate to go upwind at the time of a boon for the game. We'll never know what would have happened without City in the picture, but history tells us, quite clearly, that even the biggest of English clubs has never been too big to not fail, until now. With Ferguson's retirement, there was no guarantee status quo would have remained, but unlike in the past, where new players could gobble up space, things quickly became established in this new, most broken order where the winningest team's biggest concerns are in how to hide their wrongdoing. The footballing side of things, a total formality due to them having no consequences for anything that goes wrong.
Nail on the head. I can't like this post enough.
 

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When you watch Sky and vehicles like it praising City to high heaven, you know there's nothing serious coming their way in terms of reprimand. It's all positive with no scrutiny or even thought toward why City can do what they do so late in the season. They are being championed and adored and are obviously seen as the golden goose of the PL. They aren't going to be cast out.
Yeah unfortunately I can't see them being properly punished for their blatant cheating and gaming of the system. I'll be shocked if the repercussions are anywhere near close to denting their hegemony.
 

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When you watch Sky and vehicles like it praising City to high heaven, you know there's nothing serious coming their way in terms of reprimand. It's all positive with no scrutiny or even thought toward why City can do what they do so late in the season. They are being championed and adored and are obviously seen as the golden goose of the PL. They aren't going to be cast out.
Yeah this is why I don't want them becoming first team to win 4 leagues on the bounce, however looking at tonight it's hard to see who can take points off City in the last 5 games
 

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So we are relying on incompetence from the top teams to keep the league competitive and fun? Was financial injections for City ok as long as they had Hughes and Mancini and Pellegrini in place?
I wouldn't mind that.
 

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City are purchased by Abu Dhabi in September 2008. Manchester City placed 9th the season prior. Abu Dhabi get to work buying players who wouldn't otherwise even look in City's direction. 9th place in 2007/'08 becomes 8th place in 2008/'09; the initial steps of the process take a while to bed in, as the old is replaced with the new. City's first big leap takes place the next season with 8th place bested by three positions. They finish the 2009/'10 season in 5th position. We're now in 2010/'11 and City have sacked Hughes and got their first big name coach in Roberto Mancini. They finish 3rd that season and are now a Champions League club. They've been a perennial fixture in the CL places ever since.

There are no cyclic ups or downs, no consequence for poor purchases where normal clubs are lumped with players whose value plummets who they then cannot get off their books because they cannot afford to pay up their contracts willy-nilly and no other club will take them on without subsidy. There is no fear or regard for any of the recognised norms clubs who are not state-owned are hamstrung by. City are a guaranteed lock for a CL place, thus taking it away from any legitimate contender who is then vying with the remainder for 'a go'. The established Old Order are hurt by this, but the remainder are absolutely crushed by it because they have to have more luck than ever before, or take on more financial risk than ever before to try and break this new status quo.

Meanwhile, of the Old Order, not one of them has been a lock in the CL positions as a perennial fixture since 2009/'10

Manchester United have missed out on the CL 5, going on 6 times (once this season concludes).

Liverpool have missed out on the CL 6 times.

Chelsea have missed out on the CL 4, going on 5 times (once this season concludes).

Arsenal have missed out on the CL 6 times.

This is the Old Order, look how many times these so-called behemoths have failed to qualify for the Champions League since City became an indubitable fixture in the competition. Whether you wish to count Chelsea or not, the point remains - Chelsea are more an example of a club with no hope forcing themselves into the conversation, but not overstepping the mark to the point they have broken football.

Now, as stated by numerous people and their painstaking efforts to make clear how damaging what City are doing is, it's not the clubs above who are the most put out by City, it's the teams below them who, without City's permanency would have had a chance to make their play for the top table. Spurs are going to have been the biggest fall guys, but now it's also the likes of Villa as they try and push through the glass ceiling to compete directly with the teams above (and not City).

There is no time in English football history where Old Orders (they used to be dynamic: Wolves, for example, used to be a big dog up to the conclusion of the 1950's) as there have been - or supposedly established - where those teams remained, perennially, at the helm. In fact, most are defined by golden periods followed by fallow times where they cannot compete for the league nor CL (or previously, the European Cup).

Great periods for these sides are attributed to great men doing unbelievably shrewd work within a financial remit that whilst at the higher end, was not obliterating those around them - the clubs ebbed and flowed with the passage of these managers. City are a faceless state, as @Regulus Arcturus Black stated, there is no way for them to fail because they will always have the best in class, will always replace the best with the best and there will never be a lull due to financial instability or uncertainty. In other words, completely and utterly artificial conditions, especially when contrasted with what history has told us about every one of the Old Order, who all, to a club, could/did/have slumped and have had to re-establish themselves once more years down the line.

It's clear that what some see as "Manchester United" is actually an infernal loathing of Alex Ferguson and the brilliance he ushered into the club, which immediately lost its way without him at the top. In the following 10 years, the cluelessness, and more importantly, the consequences of that cluelessness, have not only seen Manchester United fall back into the pack, but for most of the time, be behind them by some distance. The exact same thing befell Liverpool when Dalglish handed over to Souness and sent them flailing, not only off the top spot, but to be out of the running for the title for years. In very short order, both clubs went from halcyon periods with great players to an exodus and squads and managers who hadn't a prayer. This is how the Old Order works and what their pitfalls are. One or two bad managerial hires and they can fall like a house of cards because consequence for poor decisions then comes back to haunt them as a debt that needs paying in full. These old clubs don't just get to wipe the slate clean each season and go again with a brand new set of players if the bad buys don't work out. They are lumped with them and the general bar for the side will steadily diminish. Arsenal experienced exactly the same thing once Wenger stopped shitting gold. The stadium didn't help, but it wasn't their downfall, but it highlights another point and consequence: the either, or. By pouring money into the new stadium, they were going to be hamstrung for years. A conscious decision made to better their stadium meant less money could be pumped into the team, and anyone coming to manage them had to accept that. At City? Nope, we'll redevelop a portion of the city - yes, the literal city - whilst still hiring best in class across all facets on off and the pitch with no fallout whatsoever. Hmm... clearly the same playing field as what everyone else is uuming and ahhing from.

The worst thing of all is City didn't have to cheat as a state is going to be Borg-like in its assimilation by its very nature. It cannot be anything else, which is why it has no place in football, but that's besides the point as this is about cheating to achieve ends as hurriedly and as artificially as one can imagine.

As much as the Old Order could be despised by those who were not part of it, they were not infinite or unmovable. Every single one of them had sizeable lulls multiple times in their histories and provided opportunities for others to take their slice of the pie should they be so fortunate to go upwind at the time of a boon for the game. We'll never know what would have happened without City in the picture, but history tells us, quite clearly, that even the biggest of English clubs has never been too big to not fail, until now. With Ferguson's retirement, there was no guarantee status quo would have remained, but unlike in the past, where new players could gobble up space, things quickly became established in this new, most broken order where the winningest team's biggest concerns are in how to hide their wrongdoing. The footballing side of things, a total formality due to them having no consequences for anything that goes wrong.
This should be sent to politicians and to everyone connected to the game. Well written and explained
 

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Yeah this is why I don't want them becoming first team to win 4 leagues on the bounce, however looking at tonight it's hard to see who can take points off City in the last 5 games
The only team that could potentially take points off City hate Arsenal anyway.
 

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City are purchased by Abu Dhabi in September 2008. Manchester City placed 9th the season prior. Abu Dhabi get to work buying players who wouldn't otherwise even look in City's direction. 9th place in 2007/'08 becomes 8th place in 2008/'09; the initial steps of the process take a while to bed in, as the old is replaced with the new. City's first big leap takes place the next season with 8th place bested by three positions. They finish the 2009/'10 season in 5th position. We're now in 2010/'11 and City have sacked Hughes and got their first big name coach in Roberto Mancini. They finish 3rd that season and are now a Champions League club. They've been a perennial fixture in the CL places ever since.

There are no cyclic ups or downs, no consequence for poor purchases where normal clubs are lumped with players whose value plummets who they then cannot get off their books because they cannot afford to pay up their contracts willy-nilly and no other club will take them on without subsidy. There is no fear or regard for any of the recognised norms clubs who are not state-owned are hamstrung by. City are a guaranteed lock for a CL place, thus taking it away from any legitimate contender who is then vying with the remainder for 'a go'. The established Old Order are hurt by this, but the remainder are absolutely crushed by it because they have to have more luck than ever before, or take on more financial risk than ever before to try and break this new status quo.

Meanwhile, of the Old Order, not one of them has been a lock in the CL positions as a perennial fixture since 2009/'10

Manchester United have missed out on the CL 5, going on 6 times (once this season concludes).

Liverpool have missed out on the CL 6 times.

Chelsea have missed out on the CL 4, going on 5 times (once this season concludes).

Arsenal have missed out on the CL 6 times.

This is the Old Order, look how many times these so-called behemoths have failed to qualify for the Champions League since City became an indubitable fixture in the competition. Whether you wish to count Chelsea or not, the point remains - Chelsea are more an example of a club with no hope forcing themselves into the conversation, but not overstepping the mark to the point they have broken football.

Now, as stated by numerous people and their painstaking efforts to make clear how damaging what City are doing is, it's not the clubs above who are the most put out by City, it's the teams below them who, without City's permanency would have had a chance to make their play for the top table. Spurs are going to have been the biggest fall guys, but now it's also the likes of Villa as they try and push through the glass ceiling to compete directly with the teams above (and not City).

There is no time in English football history where Old Orders (they used to be dynamic: Wolves, for example, used to be a big dog up to the conclusion of the 1950's) as there have been - or supposedly established - where those teams remained, perennially, at the helm. In fact, most are defined by golden periods followed by fallow times where they cannot compete for the league nor CL (or previously, the European Cup).

Great periods for these sides are attributed to great men doing unbelievably shrewd work within a financial remit that whilst at the higher end, was not obliterating those around them - the clubs ebbed and flowed with the passage of these managers. City are a faceless state, as @Regulus Arcturus Black stated, there is no way for them to fail because they will always have the best in class, will always replace the best with the best and there will never be a lull due to financial instability or uncertainty. In other words, completely and utterly artificial conditions, especially when contrasted with what history has told us about every one of the Old Order, who all, to a club, could/did/have slumped and have had to re-establish themselves once more years down the line.

It's clear that what some see as "Manchester United" is actually an infernal loathing of Alex Ferguson and the brilliance he ushered into the club, which immediately lost its way without him at the top. In the following 10 years, the cluelessness, and more importantly, the consequences of that cluelessness, have not only seen Manchester United fall back into the pack, but for most of the time, be behind them by some distance. The exact same thing befell Liverpool when Dalglish handed over to Souness and sent them flailing, not only off the top spot, but to be out of the running for the title for years. In very short order, both clubs went from halcyon periods with great players to an exodus and squads and managers who hadn't a prayer. This is how the Old Order works and what their pitfalls are. One or two bad managerial hires and they can fall like a house of cards because consequence for poor decisions then comes back to haunt them as a debt that needs paying in full. These old clubs don't just get to wipe the slate clean each season and go again with a brand new set of players if the bad buys don't work out. They are lumped with them and the general bar for the side will steadily diminish. Arsenal experienced exactly the same thing once Wenger stopped shitting gold. The stadium didn't help, but it wasn't their downfall, but it highlights another point and consequence: the either, or. By pouring money into the new stadium, they were going to be hamstrung for years. A conscious decision made to better their stadium meant less money could be pumped into the team, and anyone coming to manage them had to accept that. At City? Nope, we'll redevelop a portion of the city - yes, the literal city - whilst still hiring best in class across all facets on off and the pitch with no fallout whatsoever. Hmm... clearly the same playing field as what everyone else is uuming and ahhing from.

The worst thing of all is City didn't have to cheat as a state is going to be Borg-like in its assimilation by its very nature. It cannot be anything else, which is why it has no place in football, but that's besides the point as this is about cheating to achieve ends as hurriedly and as artificially as one can imagine.

As much as the Old Order could be despised by those who were not part of it, they were not infinite or unmovable. Every single one of them had sizeable lulls multiple times in their histories and provided opportunities for others to take their slice of the pie should they be so fortunate to go upwind at the time of a boon for the game. We'll never know what would have happened without City in the picture, but history tells us, quite clearly, that even the biggest of English clubs has never been too big to not fail, until now. With Ferguson's retirement, there was no guarantee status quo would have remained, but unlike in the past, where new players could gobble up space, things quickly became established in this new, most broken order where the winningest team's biggest concerns are in how to hide their wrongdoing. The footballing side of things, a total formality due to them having no consequences for anything that goes wrong.
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Post of the year and perhaps the decade.

You have perfectly put into words the way many of us feel, but are too weary of the whole situation to articulate.
 

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Post of the year and perhaps the decade.

You have perfectly put into words the way many of us feel, but are too weary of the whole situation to articulate.
It's excellent, and it pairs very well with Barney Ronay's piece from last week (which has been shared on here before I believe) and particularly this part:
It is worth remembering what the City project is for. This remains at bottom a public relations exercise staged by a sovereign state with a questionable human rights record, but intent on building a post-carbon economy.

City are by their own accounts the most financially powerful club in world football. Vast dumps of cash have been thrown at this thing, billionaire will-to-power applied to football's laughably inadequate governance. This is sport as foreign policy, backed by the laughable fiction that in doing so the ruling monarchy of Abu Dhabi is breaking open a cartel, sticking up for the little guy, outsiders against the overclass and all the rest of it.

It is a grotesque spectacle on many levels, albeit by no means the only one out there, with all due respect to the exciting new breed of hyper-incompetent hedge-bro owners. But it turns out this is what it takes to make Real Madrid look like underdogs; to make another semi-final for a squad valued at $1bn feel like a victory for sport against the machine. Congratulations to everyone involved. It's quite the people's game we've carved out here.
 

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It's excellent, and it pairs very well with Barney Ronay's piece from last week (which has been shared on here before I believe) and particularly this part:
Wow, he really put the peddle to the metal there! About time swipes were taken at them!

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Wow, he really put the peddle to the metal there! About time swipes were taken at them!

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Take the free blowjobs and move on you pretentious tosser kidding I appreciate you you're a great poster

Yeah it's too rare in mainstream media to have people actually callign them out - it's a shame it will remain an isolated case with little traction, but good on Barney who's generally one of the few good journos out there.
 

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Congratulations on winning everything Abu Dhabi 115. League 2025 sown up. Any indigestion issues from having swallowed Manchester City whole? Borg light blue flatulence?
 

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Take the free blowjobs and move on you pretentious tosser kidding I appreciate you you're a great poster

Yeah it's too rare in mainstream media to have people actually callign them out - it's a shame it will remain an isolated case with little traction, but good on Barney who's generally one of the few good journos out there.
:lol:

I wonder how much push-back he's gotten in the industry for telling the truth and refusing to be part of the charade others have willingly signed up to. Admirable of him to speak out like this, especially now when the PR vehicle is likely to go into overdrive.
 

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I wonder how much push-back he's gotten in the industry for telling the truth and refusing to be part of the charade others have willingly signed up to. Admirable of him to speak out like this, especially now when the PR vehicle is likely to go into overdrive.
Yeah I wonder that too. But I really like Barney Ronay. Often feel himself or Henry Winter are some of the only journos to have the balls to call things out like this, and that's regardless of club by the way because they hold others to account for their own indiscretions too.
 

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I wonder how much push-back he's gotten in the industry for telling the truth and refusing to be part of the charade others have willingly signed up to. Admirable of him to speak out like this, especially now when the PR vehicle is likely to go into overdrive.
Yeah I wonder that too. But I really like Barney Ronay. Often feel himself or Henry Winter are some of the only journos to have the balls to call things out like this, and that's regardless of club by the way because they hold others to account for their own indiscretions too.
There's a few others, there's this BBC journalist I believe who has a bit of a German name but I've forgotten it who does some proper pieces about the finances, Andy Mitten usually calls it out but due to his allegiances it's not taken seriously I think, but in general there's very few.

The Athletic, whose coverage on a lot of things I like (they have the best journos for Utd topics in Laurie Whitwell and Carl Anka, and The Athletic FC podcast with Ayo Akinwolere is usually very good), is very selective in the topics they decide to be outraged by, and this sytemic cheating scheme that is destroying the game from within didn't make the cut. I guess there's too much of a conflict of interest for them as they probably get good exclusives for keeping shtum.
 

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There's a few others, there's this BBC journalist I believe who has a bit of a German name but I've forgotten it who does some proper pieces about the finances, Andy Mitten usually calls it out but due to his allegiances it's not taken seriously I think, but in general there's very few.

The Athletic, whose coverage on a lot of things I like (they have the best journos for Utd topics in Laurie Whitwell and Carl Anka, and The Athletic FC podcast with Ayo Akinwolere is usually very good), is very selective in the topics they decide to be outraged by, and this sytemic cheating scheme that is destroying the game from within didn't make the cut. I guess there's too much of a conflict of interest for them as they probably get good exclusives for keeping shtum.
Yeah I like a lot of the Athletic guys too but too few ever really speak out against City I feel. Those guys are great as well and it's a good podcast but there must be too much of a conflict there or they assume it's probably not gonna be taken seriously for them to talk about.

Maybe too many are just scared or worried they can't really say anything due to the possible repercussions, but it's so annoying they just get away with barely any criticism at all, and too many fawn over them being the greatest.
 

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Wow, he really put the peddle to the metal there! About time swipes were taken at them!

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Put what to the metal, exactly? The "peddle" you say. And how does one put the "peddle" to the metal? Does one negotiate with the metal? Does the metal exchange money for your said peddling? What kind of peddling are we talking about here anyway? Like a market stall selling knock off jeans? Or perhaps we're selling incorrect words, hmmmmmmm?!?!

I've brought him back down to Earth, lads. He won't get ahead of himself next time.
 

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Yeah this is why I don't want them becoming first team to win 4 leagues on the bounce, however looking at tonight it's hard to see who can take points off City in the last 5 games
Between that Aguero goal, the Kompany screamer, the Gundogan goals in the final match of '22, and the KDB goals against Arsenal last year, most of the PL fan base has cheered them on basically every season. With that kind of support, of course they're going to win four on the trot.
 

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Yeah I like a lot of the Athletic guys too but too few ever really speak out against City I feel. Those guys are great as well and it's a good podcast but there must be too much of a conflict there or they assume it's probably not gonna be taken seriously for them to talk about.

Maybe too many are just scared or worried they can't really say anything due to the possible repercussions, but it's so annoying they just get away with barely any criticism at all, and too many fawn over them being the greatest.
There might be an element of fear, I think there's also an element of most football journos being chancers with very little ethics or talent and just counting their lucky stars they get invited to the all inclusive buffet at the Etihad. I'm quite sure that covers about 90% of the silence.
 

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There's a few others, there's this BBC journalist I believe who has a bit of a German name but I've forgotten it who does some proper pieces about the finances, Andy Mitten usually calls it out but due to his allegiances it's not taken seriously I think, but in general there's very few.

The Athletic, whose coverage on a lot of things I like (they have the best journos for Utd topics in Laurie Whitwell and Carl Anka, and The Athletic FC podcast with Ayo Akinwolere is usually very good), is very selective in the topics they decide to be outraged by, and this sytemic cheating scheme that is destroying the game from within didn't make the cut. I guess there's too much of a conflict of interest for them as they probably get good exclusives for keeping shtum.
Kudos to them, honestly because it does take some stones to potentially risk future income or even have opportunities taken away that would otherwise most certainly be on the table. Very admirable of each and every one of them.
 

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Put what to the metal, exactly? The "peddle" you say. And how does one put the "peddle" to the metal? Does one negotiate with the metal? Does the metal exchange money for your said peddling? What kind of peddling are we talking about here anyway? Like a market stall selling knock off jeans? Or perhaps we're selling incorrect words, hmmmmmmm?!?!

I've brought him back down to Earth, lads. He won't get ahead of himself next time.
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‘Hearing’. What does that mean exactly?
As in it will decided then or that it’s the first, preliminary meeting of many?
 

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Why all the secrecy surrounding the date?

This is the equivalent of parents trying to shut their whining kids up in the car saying they’re “nearly home”.

It’s clear that City have no intention of complying and are delaying matters as much as possible - just throw the fecking book at them.
 

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Why all the secrecy surrounding the date?

This is the equivalent of parents trying to shut their whining kids up in the car saying they’re “nearly home”.

It’s clear that City have no intention of complying and are delaying matters as much as possible - just throw the fecking book at them.
I think it’s because they can’t promise anything. They could put a date on it and then people will be pissed off when 115 lawyers get the date pushed back again and again.
 

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Can't wait for the UAE to strong-arm the UK government into strong-arming the football regulator, who in turn strong-arms the EPL into dismissing the case.