RedRocket9908
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It really isnt, it would actually be quite easyYes, it's incredibly hard to fudge transfer figures because there's a club on the other side
Total expenditure? That's different
It really isnt, it would actually be quite easyYes, it's incredibly hard to fudge transfer figures because there's a club on the other side
Total expenditure? That's different
At this point the Premier League cannot afford to have its champion be seen as a tainted winner. These charges will never stick and if they do, at most City will get a financial punishment. In 20 years time no one will really care about the charges and will simply remember Pep winning 6 out 7 titles.They're not legitimately breaking our records though are they. There's an asterisk next to every one of their trophies.
I want them punished with him at the helm.Pep will make his decision based on how the 115 changes turns out. No way does he stay if they are guilty. You jump off the ship and at least act like you dont know what's going on.
How?It really isnt, it would actually be quite easy
Not so loud, don't spoil it for half the people here.At this point the Premier League cannot afford to have its champion be seen as a tainted winner. These charges will never stick and if they do, at most City will get a financial punishment. In 20 years time no one will really care about the charges and will simply remember Pep winning 6 out 7 titles.
Regarding your first paragraph - you don't know that they won't get punished, unless you have some insider information?Again, you can believe your records aren't actually broken, though they actually are, and no, they won't actully be punished either.
But hey, better than having "annoying" Arsenal-fans winning a trophy or two, right?
Jeez, the amount of cope on this forum is unreal.
But the premier league have docked Everton and Forest points and the precedent has been set-surely there's no going back now otherwise it's an absolute joke to the likes of Everton and Forest.At this point the Premier League cannot afford to have its champion be seen as a tainted winner. These charges will never stick and if they do, at most City will get a financial punishment. In 20 years time no one will really care about the charges and will simply remember Pep winning 6 out 7 titles.
You're probably right, and even more so the relationship and trading between the UK and UAE is a massive factor why nothing serious will happen. They are probably all working together now to solve a reasonable punishment and move on. But how the hell they're going to do that with a whopping ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN charges to deal with is beyond meAt this point the Premier League cannot afford to have its champion be seen as a tainted winner. These charges will never stick and if they do, at most City will get a financial punishment. In 20 years time no one will really care about the charges and will simply remember Pep winning 6 out 7 titles.
Everton and Forest aren't controlled by oil magnates who have political power to sway the FA to make decisions in their favor.But the premier league have docked Everton and Forest points and the precedent has been set-surely there's no going back now otherwise it's an absolute joke to the likes of Everton and Forest.
Thats good, feels like half this forum wants City to actually win all the trophies though, so its hard to tell the difference these days.Regarding your first paragraph - you don't know that they won't get punished, unless you have some insider information?
Regarding the waffle in the rest of your post - I would've preferred Arsenal to win the league than City.
I would prefer them over Liverpool but that's about it.Thats good, feels like half this forum wants City to actually win all the trophies though, so its hard to tell the difference these days.
I would never want City to win anything, not even a pre-match coin tossThats good, feels like half this forum wants City to actually win all the trophies though, so its hard to tell the difference these days.
6 out of 7? I really don't see anything stoping them to make it 9 out of 10 or more.At this point the Premier League cannot afford to have its champion be seen as a tainted winner. These charges will never stick and if they do, at most City will get a financial punishment. In 20 years time no one will really care about the charges and will simply remember Pep winning 6 out 7 titles.
A whole load of auxiliary costs that should be accounted for in FPTP, but are subsidiarised away. Like Mancini getting paid more for a few days non-football work than a year's wages as City manager. Like Haaland being bought for a bargain 60 million or so, with at least that number again in agent and other fees, plus probably half his wages accounted away Mancini style. Like City getting huge sponsorships from companies that have no business. Like City's subsidiary clubs signing players that barely step foot in their new club before being moved on to suit City.Yes, it's incredibly hard to fudge transfer figures because there's a club on the other side
Total expenditure? That's different
Wages and all this stuff aren't factored into net spend. Net spend is a simple calculation.A whole load of auxiliary costs that should be accounted for in FPTP, but are subsidiarised away. Like Mancini getting paid more for a few days non-football work than a year's wages as City manager. Like Haaland being bought for a bargain 60 million or so, with at least that number again in agent and other fees, plus probably half his wages accounted away Mancini style. Like City getting huge sponsorships from companies that have no business. Like City's subsidiary clubs signing players that barely step foot in their new club before being moved on to suit City.
Yes, it’s all overinflated and against the rules. The evidence is out there.It's revenue coming in from their owners' other companies. Their main sponsor Etihad is owned by the same family.
To quote Vince McMahon "No chance in hell"Wonder what the chances of an Armstrong like punishment and them getting stripped of their titles actually are, because no more Treble and no more four peat would be hilarious.
Exactly. They just don't have the balls to do it. This is not just a simple breach of FFP like Everton or Forest. It is an accusation of fradulent reporting and refusal to cooperate.At this point, I would blame the Premier League more than City for creating and not resolving this situation with City. How can you accuse someone of cheating and yet still allow them in the competition and they continue to win said competition. Such loss of credibility for the league.
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I reckon most match going fans will know City have been accused of cheating.Nope, you're in a bubble if you think most fans care at all. I reckon most casual PL fans don't even know what FFP is.
Is Pep trying to point 115 with his fingers?
Moving this here to continue discussion since talking about Pep generally but it really is a mess. Not just for the City players but for every club in the league. It's not as black and white as oh give the titles to whoever came 2nd etc. because the whole fabric of the league would have changed without an alleged doped up City. Who knows if Liverpool would have won more, if United would have managed to nab one or if Arsenal would have won the last two, everything would have changed and the league would look very different.There will be question marks. It's a shame for the players, as they actually won those titles and produced some great football.
These things are a lot worse when there's actual evidence of match fixing or PEDS use.
It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
The recent clamp down has definitely made clubs sit up and take notice. After seeing how Everton and Forest were punished.Moving this here to continue discussion since talking about Pep generally but it really is a mess. Not just for the City players but for every club in the league. It's not as black and white as oh give the titles to whoever came 2nd etc. because the whole fabric of the league would have changed without an alleged doped up City. Who knows if Liverpool would have won more, if United would have managed to nab one or if Arsenal would have won the last two, everything would have changed and the league would look very different.
With all those likes, why not mention a single example?A whole load of auxiliary costs that should be accounted for in FPTP, but are subsidiarised away. Like Mancini getting paid more for a few days non-football work than a year's wages as City manager. Like Haaland being bought for a bargain 60 million or so, with at least that number again in agent and other fees, plus probably half his wages accounted away Mancini style. Like City getting huge sponsorships from companies that have no business. Like City's subsidiary clubs signing players that barely step foot in their new club before being moved on to suit City.
Are you making fun of the fact that people accuse you of defending Ronaldo every single time he's mentioned or are you being serious? I genuinely can't tell.What does this have to do with Ronaldo?!
You're looking at it wrong, I suspect.With all those likes, why not mention a single example?
Faking sponsor income is easy. Underreporting wage costs is doable. Doing some FFP juggling with transfer fees is easy when players go both ways, like with Danilo/Cancelo, Pjanic/Arthur or Oshimen/randoms. Actually hiding transfer fees is incredibly hard, because why on earth would the other clubs play along?
Not sure I know myself, to be honest.Are you making fun of the fact that people accuse you of defending Ronaldo every single time he's mentioned or are you being serious? I genuinely can't tell.
Pep will stay as long as he wants. He is not just a manager there. He has financial and business relations with city group. His brother has partial ownership in Girona. It is nıt just management, it is much more than that for him.If we see Pep leave this summer, the hammer may be coming down them, but unfortunately my money is still on not much happening.
Usually there is no "the owner". I don't know which deals are supposed to be suspect, but e.g. Akanji was pretty cheap relative to performance. The biggest shareholder owns 8 % of the club, while 2/3rds of the shares are free float. That's a huge amount of people to bribe, or alternatively you have to bribe the people closest to transfer dealings while simultaneously hoping that no one questions the fact that they're damaging the club.You're looking at it wrong, I suspect.
Strip it back to the important people in a transfer. The selling club's owner is most important, then agents and players. If we accept the latter two are quite easy to control with money, then you focus on the former.
Example, let's say City "hid" the transfer fee for player x. The official fee that is going to be reported is the same amount that the club received officially from City (that is what FFP look at) but then why is the owner of that club accepting a fee that seems quite good for City? City's owners can just add something on top, there's no way anyone, apart from the owner, would know as long as that money originates within the UAE because it's completely closed off. "See this new $300m solar development in UAE, here's 2%"...how would anyone ever find that out?
He won’t leave this summer, as there is no indication of a ruling from the league anytime soon. Rest assured he is a coward and will leave if and when the hammer comes down on city.If we see Pep leave this summer, the hammer may be coming down them, but unfortunately my money is still on not much happening.