Class of 92: Out of their league

[.Rossi]

Obviously not.

Why that over simplification would ever ever bother someone is beyond me. On one hand you've got pretty much 400 United games played by each lad (minimum) on the other there's a throwaway line in a documentary designed to get non footy fans up to speed.

Because it's a blatant lie and it's disrespectful towards someone like Irwin, who is probably THE left back in Manchester United history. It says a lot that Evra came up short in comparison to the guy. And Evra was world class.

And maybe it shouldn't but, that line seriously bothers me and left a bad taste in my mouth. But, don't think I "hate them" or have "an agenda" with them because of it. Don't know why people are getting that idea. I just dislike a lot of the stuff that came from that movie in 2013. Doesn't change my memories of them on the pitch and the respect and admiration I have for them as ex players of Manchester United.

 

[VP]

It was a nice watch but I'm a bit confused with the end game here. They want to create a Premier League club in the heart of Manchester United territory? If Salford go up the tables, it could get messy; it'd also be a huge conflict of interest for Giggs and Butt as United employees.

Neville seemed to appreciate the community aspect of Salford City but then why buy the club and commercialize it? I presume most Salford City fans are United fans so get their fix of big football through that medium and love Salford for the non league experience.

 

[.Rossi]

It was a nice watch but I'm a bit confused with the end game here. They want to create a Premier League club in the heart of Manchester United territory? If Salford go up the tables, it could get messy; it'd also be a huge conflict of interest for Giggs and Butt as United employees.

Neville seemed to appreciate the community aspect of Salford City but then why buy the club and commercialize it? I presume most Salford City fans are United fans so get their fix of big football through that medium and love Salford for the non league experience.

Never know what the future holds. Giggs and Butt might not be at United by the time that happens. Or, they could just go with Salford if it's more lucrative from a financial stand point. The Nevilles could buy them out, Salford might not go up the tables, Gary Neville might get a manager's job and sell his share....Who knows really.

 

[Spoony]

It was a nice watch but I'm a bit confused with the end game here. They want to create a Premier League club in the heart of Manchester United territory? If Salford go up the tables, it could get messy; it'd also be a huge conflict of interest for Giggs and Butt as United employees.

Neville seemed to appreciate the community aspect of Salford City but then why buy the club and commercialize it? I presume most Salford City fans are United fans so get their fix of big football through that medium and love Salford for the non league experience.

Yeah, I agree. It's nothing more than a few multi millionaires' play toy.

 

[Thoraximus]

It was a nice watch but I'm a bit confused with the end game here. They want to create a Premier League club in the heart of Manchester United territory? If Salford go up the tables, it could get messy; it'd also be a huge conflict of interest for Giggs and Butt as United employees.

Neville seemed to appreciate the community aspect of Salford City but then why buy the club and commercialize it? I presume most Salford City fans are United fans so get their fix of big football through that medium and love Salford for the non league experience.

Expanding a bit on the conflict of interest part - and apologies if this has been asked before.

In terms of legality etc, if Salford got through to the third round and drew United would that create any problems for Giggs and Butt as employees of one and owners of the other?
I know is unlikely given the circumstances but wondered if someone legally minded would know!

 

[junglemusic]

The class of 92 thing should be turned into a series of documentaries - a different club each programme. People love this stuff and it would bolster interest no end.

That's a great idea.

 

[Barca84]

That's a great idea.

Yep absolutely.

In the meantime I think I can see the evil Class of 92 going on to buy the entire Northern Premier League and playing it like one enormous feck off game of real life Subbuteo. Naturally they could then also combine it with some Monopoly style off pitch action and build hotels next to all the grounds employing disregarded and undervalued former team mates as barmen for added match day authentic experience. It would surely be only a matter of time before they then overtook China in the race to be the emerging superpower of the 21st Century with Gary "not much better than Parker" Neville installed as Leader of Earth.

 

[ChrisNelson]

I can't help but think the CO92 have just looked at FC United and decided 'ooh that's a good idea, why don't we do that??'

So now you've got 2 of the biggest clubs in Europe playing in the Premier League, and you've got 2 of the biggest teams in non-league with ambitions to join them one day.
This is in addition to the remaining teams around Greater Manchester. At some point as a team at that level you have to appreciate there's a natural ceiling to what you can achieve. If I was a Salford fan I'd be very worried about how this might all end, less so for FC United.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Great set of docs I thought. Gave a really nice insight into that level of football that you really don't hear too much about... all with the twist that is the current incarnation of Salford City. Yes it got overly dramatised at times (which is what 99% of sport documentaries will do anyway) but I don't think it hurt the programme in any way.

Phil and Gary came across really well in both episodes. Top blokes the pair of them.

Obviously not.

Why that over simplification would ever ever bother someone is beyond me. On one hand you've got pretty much 400 United games played by each lad (minimum) on the other there's a throwaway line in a documentary designed to get non footy fans up to speed.

Because the doc obviously should have said "Phil Neville, who sometimes played behind Ryan Giggs, but then also played instead of Gary Neville, and then occassionally partnered Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt in midfield, but then sometimes would play alongside people such as Roy Keane, Juan Sebastian Veron, Quninton Fortune and Kleberson, all whilst being friends with David Beckham and getting his kit washed by Albert the kit man" ... I mean who cares about keeping things short and succinct when important accuracy is at stake!

 

[.Rossi]

Great set of docs I thought. Gave a really nice insight into that level of football that you really don't hear too much about... all with the twist that is the current incarnation of Salford City. Yes it got overly dramatised at times (which is what 99% of sport documentaries will do anyway) but I don't think it hurt the programme in any way.

Phil and Gary came across really well in both episodes. Top blokes the pair of them.



Because the doc obviously should have said "Phil Neville, who sometimes played behind Ryan Giggs, but then also played instead of Gary Neville, and then occassionally partnered Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt in midfield, but then sometimes would play alongside people such as Roy Keane, Juan Sebastian Veron, Quninton Fortune and Kleberson, all whilst being friends with David Beckham and getting his kit washed by Albert the kit man" ... I mean who cares about keeping things short and succinct when important accuracy is at stake!

Yeah sure let's take a shit on the club's greatest left back and rewrite history just so we can suit the narrative of the lads and the film.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Yeah sure let's take a shit on the club's greatest left back and rewrite history just so we can suit the narrative of the lads and the film.

Taking a shit? Really? Isn't that a bit OTT?

Remind me... what was the line? and what do you think should have been said instead?

 

[.Rossi]

Taking a shit? Really? Isn't that a bit OTT?

Remind me... what was the line? and what do you think should have been said instead?

Nothing like that anyways. Phil was a good, versatile squad player, who contributed very well to the club's success. He didn't need some half baked lie to put him over.

 

[Xaviesta]

Taking a shit? Really? Isn't that a bit OTT?

Remind me... what was the line? and what do you think should have been said instead?

The stuff about Phil Neville always playing behind Ryan Giggs. There was some other bollocks about Roy Keane not playing the 99 Champions League final was God's way of showing Nicky Butt was a great player or something.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Nothing like that anyways. Phil was a good, versatile squad player, who contributed very well to the club's success. He didn't need some half baked lie to put him over.

But that doesn't establish a bond between two protagonists in the show, which is what the show did at any opportunity, and what was exactly what this doc needed to do for the casual viewer - establish a relationship between the 5 owners so people who might not be familiar with the entire history of Manchester United can get ideas as to their history/why they're friends etc.

Besides, to me "Phil Neville always plays behind Ryan Giggs" sounds like "When Phil played, it was always behind Giggs" (as if it implied that whenever Giggs played, Phil was behind him, that would imply that Phil Neville played left-back at United for 20 years... and would be, so called "taking a shit" on Irwin, O'Shea, Silvestre, Heinze, Evra etc.) which isn't doing a disservice to Irwin at all, but to Neville's own versatility. However, like I said, to quickly establish who Phil Neville is and how he connects with other members of "The Class of 92" it is easier for the show to say he was a left back who played behind Giggs.

Besides, Phil Neville played a LOT of games behind Giggs... so really, it's nothing to get antsy about.

 

[.Rossi]

The stuff about Phil Neville always playing behind Ryan Giggs. There was some other bollocks about Roy Keane not playing the 99 Champions League final was God's way of showing Nicky Butt was a great player or something.

Yep. Those and the Ray Parlour thing

 

[Barca84]

The stuff about Phil Neville always playing behind Ryan Giggs. There was some other bollocks about Roy Keane not playing the 99 Champions League final was God's way of showing Nicky Butt was a great player or something.

But we all know that God is English so what's the problem here?

 

[.Rossi]

But that doesn't establish a bond between two protagonists in the show. Which is exactly what this doc needed to do for the casual viewer - establish a relationship between the 5 owners so people who might not be familiar with the entire history of Manchester United can get ideas as to their history/why they're friends etc.

Besides, to me "Phil Neville always plays behind Ryan Giggs" sounds like "When Phil played, it was always behind Giggs" (as if it implied that whenever Giggs played, Phil was behind him, that would imply that Phil Neville played left-back at United for 20 years... and would be, so called "taking a shit" on Irwin, O'Shea, Silvestre, Heinze, Evra etc.) which isn't doing a disservice to Irwin at all, but to Neville's own versatility. However, like I said, to quickly establish who Phil Neville is and how he connects with other members of "The Class of 92" it is easier for the show to say he was a left back who played behind Giggs.

Besides, Phil Neville played a LOT of games behind Giggs... so really, it's nothing to get antsy about.

I took it as being quite disrespectful to be honest. I'm a massive fan of Irwin and feel that him and his contribution to United was shunted aside just for the benefit of the film and Phil.

 

[.Rossi]

But we all know that God is English so what's the problem here?

Meaning?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I took it as being quite disrespectful to be honest. I'm a massive fan of Irwin and feel that him and his contribution to United was shunted aside just for the benefit of the film and Phil.

And the contributions of Silvestre, O'Shea, Heinze and Evra?

 

[Barca84]

Meaning?

Meaning of God? I'm not sure we have time for that tbh but there's a well known book readily available.

 

[.Rossi]

And the contributions of Silvestre, O'Shea, Heinze and Evra?

Silvestre and O Shea were not the greatest left backs like Irwin was. Irwin is still regarded as the best left back in premier league history and Irwin was a constant figure in our success in the 90's, right up until he left...Brushing aside the best left back in premier league history was disrespectful. And as I said, Phil didn't need that to put him over. He made a big enough contribution as it is

Heinze can do one. Wanted to join Liverpool

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Silvestre and O Shea were not the greatest left backs like Irwin was. Irwin is still regarded as the best left back in premier league history and Irwin was a constant figure in our success in the 90's, right up until he left...Brushing aside the best left back in premier league history was disrespectful. And as I said, Phil didn't need that to put him over. He made a big enough contribution as it is

Heinze can do one. Wanted to join Liverpool

Not sure how it could possible be disrespectful to Ashley Cole, but I digress... clearly your love of Irwin has made you take a throwaway line in entirely the wrong way.

 

[.Rossi]

Not sure how it could possible be disrespectful to Ashley Cole, but I digress... clearly your love of Irwin has made you take a throwaway line in entirely the wrong way.

The fact that people would still pick Irwin ahead of Ashley Cole is a testament to Irwin's ability.. Maybe if he was mancunian..

Anyways I'm sure we've all had enough about this. Topic should go back to the current documentary and Salford

 

[GimmeAKitKat]

Not an issue as they wouldnt be involved in the day to day of both at the same time. After all, its allowed for City to own another club which they technically could face in competitive football.

 

[Badunk]

The whole Dennis Irwin thing is mental.

I'm imagining you with a shrine to him and Phil Neville dolls with pins in them.

 

[.Rossi]

The whole Dennis Irwin thing is mental.

I'm imagining you with a shrine to him and Phil Neville dolls with pins in them.

Are you? What do I look like in your imagination? What are you picturing me wearing?

I've already been told I'm Keane's lover and Lee Sharpe's sidekick so I don't know where I'll squeeze Irwin into my hectic schedule. The joys of being fans of former players.

 

[711]

Irwin did tend to stand off a bit too much, making sure he didn't get beat but letting his man get the cross in.

 

[.Rossi]

Irwin did tend to stand off a bit too much, making sure he didn't get beat but letting his man get the cross in.

Bitta craic if nowt else

 

[LR7]

I took it as being quite disrespectful to be honest. I'm a massive fan of Irwin and feel that him and his contribution to United was shunted aside just for the benefit of the film and Phil.

You're being precious about it to suit your agenda.

To say that you find the whole thing cringe worthy, gets on your tits, and calling our fans hypocrites for celebrating a set of youth players from 23 years ago its amazing that you've managed to rack up more than double the number of posts in this thread than anyone else has.

You're clearly just looking for an excuse to be negative and moan and its a shame because you've pretty much ruined this thread when most on here have probably enjoyed the documentaries.

 

[Barca84]

Are you? What do I look like in your imagination? What are you picturing me wearing?

Denis Irwin budgie smugglers?

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Have Salford now taken over from FC United as the trendy non-league "second team" for United supporters to follow? Poor old FC

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Great program, really enjoyed and it was set up for them perfectly on Friday night (the BeeB should focus on non league football more often).

I want to see them do well, but can't help but think they are a Man City of the non league, sounds like they pay decent wages / transfer fees and treat their players to luxuries I doubt many other players down there are exposed to. Not saying that is a bad thing, but I'm not going to kid myself it to believing this is some fairy tale, I can't see how they won't get into the football league in the next 4-5 years, I'm sure with their list of contacts they could easily get players to secure back to back promotion(s).

Good luck to them though.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Have Salford now taken over from FC United as the trendy non-league "second team" for United supporters to follow? Poor old FC

I imagine that FC dislike Salford as they do things completely opposite. Not really followed either 'project' too closely, but I imagine FC remains the team for the 'true' reds that hate the commercialism of the game, that ultimately led to them setting up their own club with Salford being the team to follow if you prefer the sugar daddy approach.

From what I can see Salford are one league below FC, as I have said above, I just can't see how they won't fly up the leagues which would make a game with FC very intriguing for the neutral red!

 

[IwatUwat]

Great watch enjoyed it. Shows how badly clubs are run and managed even at a reasonable level.

 

[.Rossi]

You're being precious about it to suit your agenda.

To say that you find the whole thing cringe worthy, gets on your tits, and calling our fans hypocrites for celebrating a set of youth players from 23 years ago its amazing that you've managed to rack up more than double the number of posts in this thread than anyone else has.

You're clearly just looking for an excuse to be negative and moan and its a shame because you've pretty much ruined this thread when most on here have probably enjoyed the documentaries.

I'm being precious? Read your post again and say that to me, with a straight face.

 

[kps88]

I took it as being quite disrespectful to be honest. I'm a massive fan of Irwin and feel that him and his contribution to United was shunted aside just for the benefit of the film and Phil.

You're probably the only one who did so. I'm sure Phil Neville himself would readily admit he's not even 1/10th the full back Irwin was.

 

[SammyUnited_83]

Watching Phil Neville trying to communicate with Sadiq's mum (who clearly understood what he was saying) was cringe

 

[.Rossi]

You're probably the only one who did so. I'm sure Phil Neville himself would readily admit he's not even 1/10th the full back Irwin was.

Probably. I probably let the Moyes incident and that 2013 film cloud my judgement on Phil. Seems like a decent guy

 

[Sandikan]

It was a nice watch but I'm a bit confused with the end game here. They want to create a Premier League club in the heart of Manchester United territory? If Salford go up the tables, it could get messy; it'd also be a huge conflict of interest for Giggs and Butt as United employees.

Neville seemed to appreciate the community aspect of Salford City but then why buy the club and commercialize it? I presume most Salford City fans are United fans so get their fix of big football through that medium and love Salford for the non league experience.

Since when was the Premier league the aim?

League in 5-10 years will probably be the max.

 

[Shiva87]

Expanding a bit on the conflict of interest part - and apologies if this has been asked before.

In terms of legality etc, if Salford got through to the third round and drew United would that create any problems for Giggs and Butt as employees of one and owners of the other?
I know is unlikely given the circumstances but wondered if someone legally minded would know!

In terms of legality, avoiding a conflict of interest is a contractual obligation of an employee and any situation that could give rise to a conflict must be disclosed to the employer. Obviously, Giggs and Butt have done that already. Thereafter, the employer needs to deal with it and will have its policies. It's possible to waive conflict, but very rare in a sporting competition. Probably, Giggs and Butt would sit out of team meetings, preps and the game itself, if your scenario did happen.