Club ownership | Senior management team talk

noodlehair said:
It's not when as it has already happened. Which is part of what made everyone throwing themselves at Ratcliffe as part of some high horse morality nonsense so baffling in the first place.

Nothing that Jim Ratcliffe has done since taking over the club is even remotely a surprise to anyone who'd bothered to even slightly educate themselves on Jim Ratcliffe. Even if you hadn't bothered to educate yourself, the fact his plan was to join the Glazers rather than out them should have given people a very big fecking clue. It wasn't just a massive red flag, it was literally waving itself into everyone's face with "this is a terrible idea" written on it in giant letters.

The way everyone clamoured for Ratcliffe still fecking boils my blood because of how mind numbingly and obviously stupid an idea it was. I mean being against the oil money is absolutely a fine stand to take, but that doesn't mean going all in on an even more terrible idea just to make yourself look like a morally superior person.
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Were people trying to make themselves look like a morally superior person though? Personally it’s just a matter of fact that what goes on in places like Qatar is abhorrent.

Hinting that people are only superficially against that is shite.
 
Laurencio said:
The whole slavery, indentured servitude, human rights violations, funding terrorist organisations and certain questionable activities that come with being a nation state?
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Get down your high horse. No country is perfect. I would rather focus on football.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Get down your high horse. No country is perfect. I would rather focus on football.
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Tell that to people suffering there. Willing to ignore these “imperfections” for the sake of football is exactly why these governments buy teams. So we forget about those people who are unfortunate enough to be born in places where the freedoms we take for granted are a rarity.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Tell that to people suffering there. Willing to ignore these “imperfections” for the sake of football is exactly why these governments buy teams. So we forget about those people who are unfortunate enough to be born in places where the freedoms we take for granted are a rarity.
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Yes lets also pretend progress is not being made in the middle east too as a result of western influence
 
Cassidy said:
Yes lets also pretend progress is not being made in the middle east too as a result of western influence
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I’m not pretending about anything. I’m responding to someone who seems to be willing to ignore human rights abuses for the sake of having a successful football team to watch.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
I’m not pretending about anything. I’m responding to someone who seems to be willing to ignore human rights abuses for the sake of having a successful football team to watch.
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No they are not. They just don’t attribute owning a football team to human rights abuses because its an absurd thing to do
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
So you don’t think sportswashing exists, then?
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I think it does. I think is also way overblown. I also think that alot of the progress made in the middle east can be attributed to their participation in western business
 
Cassidy said:
I think it does. I think is also way overblown. I also think that alot of the progress made in the middle east can be attributed to their participation in western business
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Was there a lot of progress building the stadiums for the last World Cup as a reward for their participation in western business? You know, the stadiums built by means of modern slavery?

I’m curious though, what progress has been made? I’m always open to a new perspective.
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Was there a lot of progress building the stadiums for the last World Cup as a reward for their participation in western business? You know, the stadiums built by means of modern slavery?

I’m curious though, what progress has been made? I’m always open to a new perspective.
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You are clearly open
If you can spend time criticising them you can also find time to research the progress made in the region.
 
What unsettles me is I have no belief these people could put together a squad like PSG’s City’s (at peak), Liverpool’s or Real’s with an unlimited budget.

We’re so far behind, you wonder how much of it will actually be fixed.
 
Fortitude said:
What unsettles me is I have no belief these people could put together a squad like PSG’s City’s (at peak), Liverpool’s or Real’s with an unlimited budget.

We’re so far behind, you wonder how much of it will actually be fixed.
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Liverpool don’t have an unlimited Budget

And we all know how much United have spent
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Would you also like Andrew Tate in an ambassadorial role?
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I don't care for that role. I care to get best owner. And Newcastle, Psg and City are pretty good examples about who best owners are. So, i don't give a feck what owners do outside football. I would take Qatar over Jim and Glazers any day of the week.
 
Fortitude said:
What unsettles me is I have no belief these people could put together a squad like PSG’s City’s (at peak), Liverpool’s or Real’s with an unlimited budget.

We’re so far behind, you wonder how much of it will actually be fixed.
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Which was my problem with bringing Berrada in the first place. There are serious questions about his ability to make any football decisions without Txiki. And even if those doubts are unfounded he has never worked within the constraints United are currently operating under.
 
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Cassidy said:
You are clearly open
If you can spend time criticising them you can also find time to research the progress made in the region.
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There has been progression in some areas but the areas of how they treat migrant workers (especially in construction) with reports of abuse and exploitation, and still mistreat women, or anyone gay etc are still huge areas of concern. They have dropped in the ranking of countries being rated for human rights. The last rating I see was from 2022 when they were rated 128th.
It’s still a very much authoritarian state with capital punishment. Having sex with someone of the same gender can lead to capital punishment.

It makes me wonder for example how female employees including the ladies teams would be treated.

God forbid any player being gay

I also think they’d stand on the wrong side in cases like he who won’t be mentioned.

Now if you’re prepared to go with all of that just because we’re going through a tough time and you want their money to get United back to the top, I’d say that speaks more about what morals you stand by in life
 
Fortitude said:
What unsettles me is I have no belief these people could put together a squad like PSG’s City’s (at peak), Liverpool’s or Real’s with an unlimited budget.

We’re so far behind, you wonder how much of it will actually be fixed.
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Liverpool have just saved quite a bit from previous years, been good at selling and off course increased prize pot money from winning the league and qualification again for the CL
 
golden_blunder said:
There has been progression in some areas but the areas of how they treat migrant workers (especially in construction) with reports of abuse and exploitation, and still mistreat women, or anyone gay etc are still huge areas of concern. They have dropped in the ranking of countries being rated for human rights. The last rating I see was from 2022 when they were rated 128th.
It’s still a very much authoritarian state with capital punishment. Having sex with someone of the same gender can lead to capital punishment.

It makes me wonder for example how female employees including the ladies teams would be treated.

God forbid any player being gay

I also think they’d stand on the wrong side in cases like he who won’t be mentioned.

Now if you’re prepared to go with all of that just because we’re going through a tough time and you want their money to get United back to the top, I’d say that speaks more about what morals you stand by in life
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I personally do not combine politics and sport. Because actually the middle east are already heavily intertwined in our lives. They own and invest in a lot of the companies we interact with everyday. If they bought United I would not stop supporting the club.

My point really was as much as they sports wash the western influence over the region also grows as they expose themselves to more world wide scrutiny.

I see people criticising but also not speaking about where the region was back in 2000.
 
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Which was my problem with bringing Berrada in the first place. There are serious questions about his ability to make any football decisions without Txiki. And even if those doubts are unfounded he has never worked within the constraints United are currently operating under.
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They had to know when they hired Amorim that he's not easy to work with in terms of what he needs for his squad. They'll have to give Amorim a lot of freedom in approving/rejecting their players if they want to assemble a functioning squad. I firmly believe in the rumors of Amorim threatening to walk away if Bruno is sold.
 
Cassidy said:
Liverpool don’t have an unlimited Budget

And we all know how much United have spent
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Liverpool nor Madrid have unlimited budgets, but they have people at the top with a plan and a seemingly constant stream of players that realise their vision.
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Which was my problem with bringing Berrada in the first place. There are serious questions about his ability to make any football decisions without Txiki. And even if those doubts are unfounded he has never worked within the constraints United are currently operating under.
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Yeah there’s no feeling of a certainty of purpose or an unwavering plan of action with recruitment; it’s doesn’t feel like anything is slowly being brought to the boil that us unsuspecting supporters are incapable of seeing.
golden_blunder said:
Liverpool have just saved quite a bit from previous years, been good at selling and off course increased prize pot money from winning the league and qualification again for the CL
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They’ve been operating shrewdly for quite a few years now and are now ramping that up, which is concerning.
 
Cassidy said:
I personally do not combine politics and sport. Because actually the middle east are already heavily intertwined in our lives. They own and invest in a lot of the companies we interact with everyday. If they bought United I would not stop supporting the club.

My point really was as much as they sports wash the western influence over the region also grows as they expose themselves to more world wide scrutiny.

I see people criticising but also not speaking about where the region was back in 2000.
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The difference in them investing in every day companies that I may use or not, im not aware of that. I’d be very much aware of them taking over United.

Besides their appalling record on human rights, I’m not in favour of clubs being owned by states/countries. It’s a terrible path for football
 
A lot of wasted effort here, speculating and wishing for a takeover by a mega wealthy new owner (Qatar or whoever).

Stick with reality and the facts.
Utd are not up for sale.
There is currently, nobody making moves or approaches to buy the club.
The previous Qatar bid was not exactly transparent or clear.
Whoever they were, a front or otherwise, when asked to provide the usual, formal proof of funds, they quickly vanished from the scene !
So much for unlimited funds!

The reality is that the Glazers still own half the club and we don’t really know if, when or how much it would take (money wise) for them to sell their shares.
Ratcliffe owns a reported 28% and has made it clear he wants to go further.
He’s not selling up at the moment.

Utd are going nowhere other than stagnation or further decline, unless the club is turned around from top to bottom and the finances are seriously sorted out.
Without being put on a sound, sustainable, financial footing, we are not returning to the regular, footballing success of the past.

Whether you accept it or not, SJR and the people he’s putting into the club, are all attempting to carry out the rebuild everyone says they want.
There’s no guarantee that they’ll succeed, just as there’s no guarantee that a mega rich benefactor would be able to get our football back to the top table.
The facts are, whether you love him or hate him, they are currently the only game in town and our only hope.
It’s no use claiming they are making it worst or are incompetent, when they’ve only just starting to get to grips with the dire circumstances.
They are dealing with a shitshow.
It could take a few years to see tangible results.

Wind back 3 years to the collapse under Ole, resulting in wreckin’ Ralph being brought in.
The writing was on the fall in 10 foot high letters, back then.
ETH gave us a brief blip of recovery for 6 months.
A combination of the manager bounce, a short lived good spell from a new midfield and an isolated, golden scoring streak from a player who shall not be named.
We had a couple of good cup runs, but the league form got worst and worst.
Papering over the cracks didn’t work.
Is it any surprise that the new club management team and a new team manager/ head coach haven’t been able to magically turn our downward trajectory around in just 10 months?

Quite a few people have repeated the assertion that the Glazers are laughing their heads off, with Ratcliffe now taking all the flack instead of them..
Are we, as a fan base, so stupid, we’re doing the Glazers dirty work for them?


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golden_blunder said:
The difference in them investing in every day companies that I may use or not, im not aware of that. I’d be very much aware of them taking over United.

Besides their appalling record on human rights, I’m not in favour of clubs being owned by states/countries. It’s a terrible path for football
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Yeah the last part is fair but that cat is already way out of the bag.
 
MaxZorin said:
You're not supposed to.

It's how sports-washing works.




They're combined anyway.

Even you ignoring it and arguing wrong is right isn't 'football', it's politics.
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I don’t ignore it, but politics is incredibly complicated and most people who talk about it in sport don’t talk about it with all the complexities. This is why I don’t do it personally.

I have no issue with anyone having a position that says states should not own clubs. Fact is they do and they actually own most sports today.
 
Coops73 said:
Anyone know what it’s saying?
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To add onto what the others have already said, the whole article is based on Nasser Al-Khelaifi inviting Sir Alex into the VIP section to watch the CL final with him. That's what the whole article is based on.
 
mazhar13 said:
To add onto what the others have already said, the whole article is based on Nasser Al-Khelaifi inviting Sir Alex into the VIP section to watch the CL final with him. That's what the whole article is based on.
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Ok, again, thanks.
 
Do the Glaciers still take dividends? And if they do how much is it?

I read that the value of the club is tanking and you look at it and everything seems like a mess with a very long road to recovery. I don't understand why they are sticking with us instead of just selling it and moving on.

Wouldn't the billions they get in a sale make more money for them invested elsewhere?
 
Cassidy said:
I don’t ignore it, but politics is incredibly complicated and most people who talk about it in sport don’t talk about it with all the complexities. This is why I don’t do it personally.

I have no issue with anyone having a position that says states should not own clubs. Fact is they do and they actually own most sports today.
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Politics can be complicated but sportswashing really isn't. It's just buying consent. In your case, it is working.

What 'most people' do or do not do is irrelevant.
Coops73 said:
Anyone know what it’s saying?
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I'd imagine it's touting Qatari ownership because psg are hot shit after their big win and we are an attention sponge.
 
Escobar said:
For all those who hate Jim and Ineos, would you prefer to be owned by the Glazers only?
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I’ll reserve judgement for now. We’ll have to see if Ineos are better or worse. Jury is out at the moment

As much as its nice SJR has been vocal I would rather our owner is not talking negatively about players and basically dismissing the womens team. Sometimes the absence of the owner speaking might actually be good
 
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