It just highlights how little the poster knows, if that wasn’t clear already from the rat comment (literally every massive busy building in the world is very likely to have them, it’s a fact of nature) but also that they don’t understand politics in which the wealthy donate to both sides for capital down the line
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Because he mentioned they were Democrat supporters in the original quote.
This is just factually incorrect. They gradually left in the following years when they were making errors like publicising a failed 100m move for Kaka and mocking a players cancer suffering mother.
Were City flying when they were taken over or were they in a total mess?
New owners will make changes yes but suggesting they will sack everyone, including Ten Hag, is daft and just being panicky for no reason.
The Glazer family have donated to both parties so you're both wrong.
They wont sack ETH immediately. I never suggested that. They may remove the top management first. But if they did, he has lost his support -- the very folks who hired him. New management may have other ideas of who can do the job -- proven managers.
If I had 5-6 billion spare cash I would ask the current management to give me a plan and if I like it I will then let them see if they execute the plan.
It's really working well at Nice isn't it.
If we are doing well then they won’t change too much, if we are struggling they will.
I would imagine he has till the end of next season to produce some tangible results. It will be interesting what Arnold pitches to the new owners as his vision in order to keep his job. If he stays next season then we know that's what the new owners have bought into.
I hope one day you guys are released from these shackles of wanting ex-players involved in the ownership/running of the club. Just get the most qualified people in and let’s move on.
I don't think so but some folks here have suggested that its doing alright.
It works at some clubs eg Bayern.
The question is what makes someone the most qualified? His track record? Like Jose? Knows the League like Moyesy? Has his own philosophy? Like Van Gaal?
They need to look at the table I think. Nice are in 11th place in what some call a farmers league.
No one wants Beckham or Cantona as DoF, but it would be cool to have them involved in some sort of PR capacity. That would also mean that someone who has the best interest of the club at heart has signaled a belief in the project of the new owners.
You can't be too Harsh on Arnold or Murtough. They have been hamstrung by their owners.
Any owner that comes in will want to see over the management of the club.
When doing that, you must start somewhere (unless you have great football knowledge, which a new owner won’t have). The only sane approach from my point of view is to start with ETH. Let him build a management team around him that he is comfortable with.
Who would be a better choice? Very hard to come up with someone who have merits that would make it seems probable that he could come in and do a better job than a management team put together than ETH.
Another option is to hire a CEO and let him or her build the organization. I have a hard time seeing why this CEO would want to fire ETH and replace him with someone else. Talk about taking a risk. No coach would take that job unless suicidal. Imagine the pressure, 75% of the fan base would be fuming before first day at work.
When doing that, you must start somewhere (unless you have great football knowledge, which a new owner won’t have). The only sane approach from my point of view is to start with ETH. Let him build a management team around him that he is comfortable with.
Who would be a better choice? Very hard to come up with someone who have merits that would make it seems probable that he could come in and do a better job than a management team put together than ETH.
Another option is to hire a CEO and let him or her build the organization. I have a hard time seeing why this CEO would want to fire ETH and replace him with someone else. Talk about taking a risk. No coach would take that job unless suicidal. Imagine the pressure, 75% of the fan base would be fuming before first day at work.
Strangely. They waste almost as much money on garbage as we do, lucky for them all their shortcomings are covered by Guardiola.
Fancy Van Der Sar to take over CEO under new ownership?
And build manutd on Ajax principles for a long run….
And build manutd on Ajax principles for a long run….
Most teams will spend money stupidly. City are fantastically well run.
Especially with Cantona, he would never sign off on some project he doesn't believe in. Beckham on the other hand just follows the money.
I don’t doubt it does - I think Italian clubs do it as well. I just don’t see or put much stock in the ex-United crop. Cantona does the whole unorthodox genius thing pretty well, but how does that land itself to the running of a club? And for all the stuff being said about these oil states in this thread - Beckham was pretty comfy being an ambassador for the Qatar World Cup
But the club already has “ambassador” roles, no? Also, being ex-player doesn’t inherently mean you have the best interests of the club at heart - or rather - you may think you do, but it can cloud your assessment/judgement. We’ve just went through having Ole as our manager and a substantial number of ex-players refused to say he wasn’t good enough/up to the task
We don't need Ajax principles, we just need good owners.
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Historically the two clubs are closely aligned on principle with a strong history of promoting young players and playing attacking football. Ajax to United for someone like a CEO would in theory be a very smooth transition now that we’ve started getting our house in order post Woodward.
Not sure I agree. They appointed a very good manager who hides all their flaws. A good manager hides poor ownership, Klopp, Guardiola and Sir Alex all made the ownership look better than it was. Had we appointed Guardiola in 2016 instead of City then I suspect the majority of the football world would be gushing about how well run we were.
City had put in the infrastructure to cater for Pep. tixi bergstein was brought in a year prior who he had a very good relationship with. They also spent well on their training facilities and academy if I'm not mistaken.
Not sure what you think is poor about their handling. Liverpool wasted 100m on Nunez and are panic buying Gakpo. Not long ago they were in similar panic situations in January. I dont see too much by way of their academy product either.
Ultimately when you're filthy rich youl have some flops. I don't think that points to bad ownership though.
Indeed. I’d take Richard Arnold over Garry Cook any day; the latter seems to be from the Ed Woodward mould.
I quite liked Eric’s idea to become president of football
Cook was so bad that comparing the two is an insult to Ed Woodward.
£100m on Grealish and £50m on Phillips for a start, but like I said, good manager's cover flaws like that.
Right, but that doesn't mean they have poor owners. For every one of those plus Rodwell etc. You have cancelo, mahrez, b silva, KDB, laporte, diaz, ederson etc etc.
Most of their buys have been on players who were not world class before they were bought, but are just on the cusp. Good owners and good DoFs get these types signed.
You won't find a single top team that doesn't make expensive mistakes. Real, Barca, United, Bayern, Liverpool. They've all made silly mistakes.
This would be my preferred option. He has done his "apprenticeship" at Ajax and would hopefully be ready for the challenge at United, which he faced at Ajax.
What makes good owners?
Not sure I'd go that far. Mancini was a decent appointment, and the proportion of duds signed was certainly no greater than under Woodward. Also United (albeit wholly reliant on SAF to oversee the football side) were in a far better state than City when the latter took over.
What Woodward has over Cook is that albeit an idiot, he doesn't appear to be a cnut.
I think what Bayern get right in that regard is that they usually have the ex players in another capacity at the club that allows them to learn from their predecessors.
The only one that didn't seem to have to go through the process is Salihamidzic, and he was at least for the last year one of the main focal points of the criticism coming towards the club leadership from the fans.
For sure, but I was not talking about giving an ex player any sort of power. They would just be PR figures. As you said, might as well just give them ambassador roles that are already existing.
I never said they would run anything, they’d just be the spokesperson for the investment fund, the messenger if you like.
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