Absolutely. But, that picture is 9-months old from when all the bidders attended Old Trafford so he might be a little heavier by now.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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My sources told me they were there for the Utd tour as its £5 cheaper in the winter
I heard they were buying prints of Jassim to hang on their bedroom walls because qatar are totally buying united whenever they solve peace in the middle east
....United investment announcement to be further delayed to allow Social Media activity linked to "Half-Life 3" launch to subside....
Don't be silly. They can easily get prints from the AI man himself from any reputable large language model.
Ornstein: "Everyone you speak to suggests it is the Glazers taking their time, paperwork, legalities and the complexity of the deal."
No primary source to these stories. The media are being fed info that much is blindingly obvious. So you need to apply some logic and look at the reasoning and motivations of these stories and where it's coming from. That Ornstein quote didn't come from the Glazers so we can discount that. So is it fair to assume it comes from someone with an INEOS source? So what's that 3rd or 4th removed source? Add in some personal opinion and/or agenda and you get a story. Ornstein is a fantastic source for transfer news and has club sources but how relevant those are in this kind of deal is anyone's guess. But you definitely can infer that if there was a real appetite from the Glazers as a collective to do this deal it would have been done by now given that Ratcliffe has been working with them since the summer on it and been the only person left in the race for the last two months. You're being gaslit but because you've conditioned yourselves using reliability tiers for news you just can't see it. Ornstein doesn't know what's happening, Bloomberg doesn't know, Reuters doesn't know, Sportico doesn't know - nobody knows but it doesn't stop the tabloids writing about it because it gets people all excited and it sells.
And finally. We know the Glazers would sell to Mao or Lenin if it meant they got more money so why then do we assume they wouldn't wait to see what happens in Palestine before deciding on what to do given AI man pulled out 7 days after the conflict started? Naive or ignorant to think otherwise because the excuses for why this minority stake isn't done yet are getting thin.
I have no horse in this race - I really don't care so I'm not blinded by news I want to hear. But I do know the narrative for the last two months is demonstrably false.
I wish I had your optimism. If that is the case (even if only majority instead of 100%), it would make this aggravation well worthwhile in the end. If he has to go through this, akin to pulling teeth, just for a simple 25%, then we are in trouble if he ever seeks majority ownership.
Excuse my ignorance but while I understand there has been talks and negotiations in Qatar regarding the situation between Hamas and Israel to get hostages/prisoners freed/exchanged what has this got to do with Jassim/Qatar buying, or at least pulling out of buying United? It’s certainly didn’t stop negotiations and a deal for Arctos acquiring a 12.5% stake in PSG.
Hardly a good look for a royal family that is currently central (along with Egypt to a lesser degree) in brokering these peace talks and hostage negotiations where tens of thousands of innocent lives are being lost and displaced to be seen celebrating spending several billion pounds on buying a football team. Priorities and all that.
Could be nothing in it at all. It could be he actually got told to do one by the Glazers because they only wanted the Ratcliffe deal but then why the two month delays and excuses? For all intents and purposes that Jassim bid was gaining traction and some were even suggesting it was done prior to those attacks on Oct 7th. Seven days later he pulls out through Romano? Now we have two months of media rubbish and excuses. Something is definitely off it's just nobody wants to admit it. I just provide a logical theory based on the fact we know the institutional shareholders and Darcy, Edward, Kevin and Bryan want a full sale at the very least. Major sponsors would get better returns also due to the long term investments into the asset. This notion that the Glazer family are finally unified in their outlook is nonsensical.
So to suggest that maybe the Glazers might be waiting and intentionally delaying to see if Jassim comes back with a new offer under better circumstances isn't a crazy assumption especially when there's no rush to make a deal. I don't think so anyway because it sure makes more sense than what the media are serving up day after day. At least the mainstream narrative protects the share price and fan morale in that the process is still moving somewhere.
Just a theory.
EDIT: With regards to PSG (and Liverpool for that matter) they sold minority stakes for around 5x revenue but we're led to believe that the Glazers refused 8x revenue from Jassim. Interesting, especially with the heavy recent focus on "legal issues" with this deal. We all know what those issues are.
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Just hope Murtough goes after Xmas and we appoint an Edwards/Mitchell
I hear about Mitchell a lot but is he actually that good? Doesn’t seem to have done much for a few years
And was he directly responsible for the Southampton signings such as Mane? Or just there at the right time?
The Glazers are playing us all like a fiddle. They ain't selling shit. This is all a giant smokescreen for them to cook the books and inflate the clubs valuation for another giant loan.
We’re cursed.
We’re cursed.
I’ll humour you, let’s look at this logically.
Raine are in NY, the Glazers are in Florida, INEOS are based in Switzerland and Ratcliffe lives in Monaco. As far as I know United still have an office in London.
So if as you claim the deal is on the brink of collapse due to legal difficulties why would OT be the setting for that meeting?
Why would it be Blanc and Brailsford (2 men of sporting expertise) and not Sir Jim, Andy or John or any one of the many money men INEOS employ or their legal reps attending the meeting?
Why would there be a meeting at all in the era of phones, Zoom, Teams, email and even Snapchat etc which you’d have to concede would be far more convinient.
How is it that Keegan would be reporting on any legal problems before the involved parties know about them?
Furthermore, does the fact that the Athletic have used a stock image mean that the meeting didn’t take place, just because the press weren’t alerted to the potential photo opportunity?
Is the mere fact that Blanc and Brailsford have been to OT not the ‘information of substance’ in that it is a significant break from the norm of the majority of the rest of the last year where these 2 gents haven’t been at OT? Especially in the light f Arnold exiting stage left.
At some point you’re going to have to accept that whilst details are somewhat sketchy right now, this is the direction of travel. These two being spotted in OT is a clear indication that this will happen eventually, and sporting decisions are already being discussed BCD.
You also need to accept that Jassim was never serious. I understand the allure of endless riches. I too could get excited by the thought of all the top players we could sign and all the trophies we could amass once more. However, 100% all or nothing was never a serious interest in buying the club when he was unwilling/unable to meet the sellers valuation. He isn’t coming back to the table, I doubt he would be welcome back to negotiations at this point, but he hasn’t disappeared to negotiate peace in Israel and then will pop back and go ‘sorry lads, called away on urgent business - we’ll call it a round £8b shall we?’ Because that’s none of his business - yes he’s closely related to the ruling family but he is a banker not a politician. Should Qatar invest in the PL in future I very much doubt it will be with Jassim as a figure head and I’d be suprised if we ever hear of him again.
INEOS’s willingness to be flexible, work with in the parameters of the selling party and accept a less than perfect deal is the only thing that means this deal is getting done. Whilst it is less than ideal, it is a start and a means to an end. And importantly it all begins with control of the football for the betterment of the club. All fans should agree this is a good thing after the Woodward years, dominated by incompetence and lack of sporting knowledge.
I suggest you proof read your rambles from now on before you hit ‘post reply’ and consider whether what YOU are publishing has any ‘information of substance’. You’ll save yourself a lot of embarrassment. Your media conspiracy theories do you a discredit.
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Yeah, nah, I’m not buying it, it’s looking like jimmy with his 25% and without having little knowledge of this sort of shit, I reckon it’s just the usual Glazer procrastination, I just hope it gets sorted soon with a clear indication to a full takeover in the not too distant but I suspect Ratcliffe won’t be allowed to put that sort of information out there because if there’s one thing them cnuts hate is being criticised or made to look incompetent, in fact I suspect we’ll get very little information about how all this is going to pan in regards to future ownership etc.
I think there’s going to be a lot of unanswered questions after the “announcement” whenever that comes.
I would like to think the buying in process is mere formalities and Ratcliffe and his people are ready to support (and suggest) any purchases we might make in January even if no official announcement is not made until then.
I know Ten Hag said United would not go mad, but a proven striker could make a huge difference.
I know Ten Hag said United would not go mad, but a proven striker could make a huge difference.
It would make me feel a lot better about this possibility if Blanc were already appointed CEO. The official statement after Arnold left his post specifically he is providing support through the end of December. Major hopium on my part leading me to believe the Glazers stick to this and we have a new CEO announced before the new year, hopefully coupled with an announcement confirming this transaction with INEOS.
I mean, the only way is up, right? Our footballing structure and infrastructure appears to be stuck in the early noughties.
Maybe a few years ago. Murtough had revamped the department by all reports. Its work in progress to say the least.
One of thr better ideas I have heard
Why would he leave Newcastle? I imagine they’re paying him handsomely
Because Newcastle are not Manchester United.
That's a good suit.
Better than Ten Hag’s cream number?
This recruitment lark is a hell of a lot easier when you are working for the plucky underdog...as soon as they have the United badge on their suits the valuations of any player they enquire about will quadruple. Same old problem.
According to Graeme Bailey and Scott Saunders (two journalists albeit not massively credible), Brailsford and Ashworth have a long standing friendship. So if there was some truth to this link I'd imagine it's leveraging their existing relationship to lure him from Newcastle.
On paper it makes a ton of sense. Ashworth is probably very good at unearthing home grown talent and more suited to a DoF with Mitchell still at the club in a role more suited to what he did in his time at Spurs and Southampton.
In reality though I'd be shocked if we pulled it off. Would definitely be a statement though.
Good luck with that, he probably has it written in his contract that if he was to leave he would have to personally inform the Prince at a Saudi embassy...
I think the only real draw is legacy, whoever makes United into a top team again will go down in the history books.
Don't insult my style.
Yeah, I don’t see that coming to anything.
1) Might have a better relationship with Ratcliffe than with an absent Middle Eastern state
2) Playing a key part in reviving United back to glory would be a hell of a better achievement and be much more rewarding than just turning Newcastle into another city with unlimited funds
3) Let’s also remember that Ineos are loaded too, and a successful Manchester United is too
Looks like a model M&S use for their older demographic
Now that I could get behind. He’s the best in my opinion
This is the only interesting thread on the forum at the moment. fecking hell.
It really is and it's also fecking depressing. How long can it take to get a minority spa over the line. Ridiculous.
Also: To think the rats turned down 6 bill for this shower of shit
Yet people are still begging and pleading for the Glazers to stay with minority investment. Nothing will change here until there's real ambition and leadership. As all visiting fans joyfully sing: Old Trafford's falling down, Glazers 10 more years."
Shocking state of affairs, really.
Shocking state of affairs, really.
The fact it has taken over a year, and even now a minority, yes a fecking minority, stake cant be agreed just tells what a pathetic bunch own us. I cant think if another professional club where this would happen, but quite frankly, the whole club from.owners down to players is a basket case. Not sure I expect Utd to amount to much until several years after the Glazers have gone, perhaps never!
I don't know about all of you, but I could really use some sort of positive news soon seeing as we are shit at playing football.
Sir Jim or whoever entering our club with a plan and the will to actually see it through.
Sir Jim or whoever entering our club with a plan and the will to actually see it through.
Well it's this week isn't it?
It's usually next week.
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