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I don’t know who that is.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the Qatari’s would look to bring in a marquee big name signing like Mbappe though.
The guy who's tweet you quoted :houllier:
 

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You’d think if you’re trying to distance yourself from PSG being the same ownership you’d avoid going to their game 2 days before bidding :lol:
Everyone knows. They've got the money and influence to do what they want.
 

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You’d think if you’re trying to distance yourself from PSG being the same ownership you’d avoid going to their game 2 days before bidding :lol:
Meh feck that rule. I might take it seriously if Red Bull didn't not only buy, but rename two clubs
 

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The biggest thing for me, and what separates City and PSG, is PSG will go around their manager if they really want a player. City are of course completely dependent on their ownership’s money, but their ownership defaults to (if I’m not mistaken) Bagiristain and Pep on incoming transfers, and cut the check. If it’s the former, it’s kind of a problem. If City were ran like PSG, they wouldn’t be as dominant as they are.
 

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You’d think if you’re trying to distance yourself from PSG being the same ownership you’d avoid going to their game 2 days before bidding :lol:
I don't think they're trying to hide the link, the media are just idiots. He's literally the owner of PSG.

QSI is a subsidy of QIA - if a bid does come from Qatar I'd assume it wouldn't come directly from QIA but a new subsidy or a family office or somewhere with at least a degree of separation from QIA.
 

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The biggest thing for me, and what separates City and PSG, is PSG will go around their manager if they really want a player. City are of course completely dependent on their ownership’s money, but their ownership defaults to (if I’m not mistaken) Bagiristain and Pep on incoming transfers, and cut the check. If it’s the former, it’s kind of a problem. If City were ran like PSG, they wouldn’t be as dominant as they are.
It's not really the same. PSG is a plaything and not in a serious league. They can do what they want and win at a canter, probably why they've never seriously challenged in the CL.

I'm certain they'd take United more seriously.
 

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To be fair they sign players for CL success and have a shallow pool of players who would want to leave for the French League.
That in no way prevents them from building a younger more coherent side. There are plenty of players they can acquire.

Yup they still seem to have on idea what they're doing even with a DOF.

City is part skill and part Pep. Remains to be seen if they'll be this disciplined after he leaves.
I think City have actually substantially invested in their academy. They would obviously lose a lot if Pep were to leave, but they had already become competitive and won the league prior to his arrival. But yes, hard to know how that would impact City, especially in terms of their playing philosophy.

Why is it short term? Haven't they built a very good academy? Their first 11 is questionable I agree but apart from that I don't see much difference to City. Hugely successful domestically but failing in the CL.
I just hope they'd trust ETH's project
Every time I've watched them, which in fairness isn't very often, I've seen a major lack of depth and a team that is so lopsided that 2-3 of them don't work off the ball while the midfield isn't domineering enough to compensate for that. It's a fancy version of a Woodward DoF. And then they've got managers who are undermined and they hire them, it seems, with no regard to how the team is supposed to play.

Theoretically you could see two clubs owned by two very different Qatari groups, but if we the window dressing it's essentially the same people at the helm. So I wonder if they've got anything sensible about them, other than having loads of money and wanting success as soon as possible. Because you also need wisdom and there is no wisdom without some humility. It just seems all hubris. Which is what I get from Boehly too.

I think ETH is the best thing that's happened to the club in a decade. I'd want him to be surrounded by competent people who are patient and not erratic.
 

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Yes, but the global appeal but has little to do with the Glazers, it has to do with the proliferation of how football is consumed by fans during the information age. 20 years ago, it was harder to watch all the matches in developing markets. Technology has changed that. Its not in any way remotely connected to the fact that the Glazers are Americans, nor should it influence the core identity and ethos of the club going forward.
What you're addressing is not what I was arguing.

Having an "English owner" is not core or even part of United's identity, therefore listing it as a bullet point for/as part of the "identity" United would be selling out is wrong, as well as bizarre.
 

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What you're addressing is not what I was arguing.

Having an "English owner" is not core or even part of United's identity, therefore listing it as a bullet point for/as part of the "identity" United would be selling out is wrong, as well as bizarre.
Its not essential, but it is important. At the end of the day, I would be ok with any rich owner as long as its not a nation state and they have the club's best interests at heart. I think that's a compromise most could agree on.
 

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I personally dislike Qatar and Saudi rulers and their laws, but I have to say the amount of islamophobia and racism towards Arabs in general and how it's tolerated by the mods/admins on this site is really disheartening as a fellow fan of this club, I hope y'all refrain from generalizing and attacking the populace, please understand that we are also humans and we deserve the same level of respect you give to your countrymen and other nations, thanks.
To be fair in most if not all cases people are referring to the leaders of said country as that's who is being discussed.

But it's the same as when certain posters gleefully tell us how Britain or England did this or that. Most of us know they're not actually saying Rita on Fanny Close was waging wars but our past leaders and persons of influence.
 

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I wasn't referring to you, although looking at some of your posts i can see why you might think i was.

i was referring to the @Wumminator who openly went after an Islamic Redcafe member asking him his stance on homosexuals, then berated him for his answer which has NOTHING to do with this thread topic and also @redcucumber who has stated he doesn't want to be owned by a state with a ' weird religion' great job guys you may be tolerant of sexuality preferences but you lack severely in religious tolerance and understanding.

When the mods finally see all this crap they're going to have a lot of work to do.
This forum is undoubtedly one of the worst I've come across for an online community when it comes to religious views. People can't respectively have a conversation without having to superimpose their own ideological perspectives. The mods certainly need to run a tighter ship especially in the general section.
 

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Thanks for the replies.



That in no way prevents them from building a younger more coherent side. There are plenty of players they can acquire.



I think City have actually substantially invested in their academy. They would obviously lose a lot if Pep were to leave, but they had already become competitive and won the league prior to his arrival. But yes, hard to know how that would impact City, especially in terms of their playing philosophy.



Every time I've watched them, which in fairness isn't very often, I've seen a major lack of depth and a team that is so lopsided that 2-3 of them don't work off the ball while the midfield isn't domineering enough to compensate for that. It's a fancy version of a Woodward DoF. And then they've got managers who are undermined and they hire them, it seems, with no regard to how the team is supposed to play.

Theoretically you could see two clubs owned by two very different Qatari groups, but if we the window dressing it's essentially the same people at the helm. So I wonder if they've got anything sensible about them, other than having loads of money and wanting success as soon as possible. Because you also need wisdom and there is no wisdom without some humility. It just seems all hubris. Which is what I get from Boehly too.

I think ETH is the best thing that's happened to the club in a decade. I'd want him to be surrounded by competent people who are patient and not erratic.
But what young player joins PSG when they have similar options in proper leagues? Young teams don’t tend to win CLs anyway.
Plus you need players with big game experience simply because you don’t get big game experience playing for PSG in France.
 

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Ok what the feck? How have UEFA investigated this already? Qatar haven’t even put a bid in.
What was the process? Does this have to be submitted before Friday?
I’m lost as to how this can causally be leaked out
 

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Ok what the feck? How have UEFA investigated this already? Qatar haven’t even put a bid in.
What was the process? Does this have to be submitted before Friday?
I’m lost as to how this can causally be leaked out
You're joking right? Of course they would want to clear it with UEFA before they put a bid in.
 

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Ok what the feck? How have UEFA investigated this already? Qatar haven’t even put a bid in.
One would assume that the lawyers sought clarification before making any bids. Why would they need to get involved in the bid if UEFA is gonna make it illegal anyways?
 

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I doubt it's UEFA sources on this btw, it's obviously someone close to the Qatari investors feeding this information to this journalist
 

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Ok what the feck? How have UEFA investigated this already? Qatar haven’t even put a bid in.
What was the process? Does this have to be submitted before Friday?
I’m lost as to how this can causally be leaked out
May want to look at who’s on the UEFA board as a member.

President of the QIA and PSG CEO Nasser Al-Khelaifi who of course would have no leadership role in United BUT certainly answers to the Emir.

This was always a formality.
 

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I find it very strange that outside of SJR and Qatar no-one else has been bought public yet especially with the 'soft' deadline of the 17th Feb. My worry is behind the scenes some Americans are trying to get it done quietly because of the fear of backlash and folks on Twitter spamming their accounts like we've seen before.
Yeah the US interest seems too quiet and hope they aren't doing a deal under the radar
 

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You're joking right? Of course they would want to clear it with UEFA before they put a bid in.
Yeah but what’s the process?I understand looking into it before you bid but there’s no way UEFA have gone through everything in any great detail to wave this through.
It says here it took UEFA months to ok the Redbull teams
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/sports/soccer/uefa-soccer-red-bull-champions-league.html
This honestly looks like it’s been a done deal for a long time now.
I remember Ten Hag saying he was promised big investment in the summer when asked about future funds and the takeover, it was agreed all the way back then.
I’m guessing Glazers get their cricket team now or whatever the feck they’re after
 

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Yeah but what’s the process?I understand looking into it before you bid but there’s no way UEFA have gone through everything in any great detail to wave this through.
It says here it took UEFA months to ok the Redbull teams
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/sports/soccer/uefa-soccer-red-bull-champions-league.html
This honestly looks like it’s been a done deal for a long time now.
I remember Ten Hag saying he was promised big investment in the summer when asked about future funds and the takeover, it was agreed all the way back then.
I’m guessing Glazers get their cricket team now or whatever the feck they’re after
Don't disagree.
 

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I think PSG under QSI are currently on the right track as far their football structure is concerned. They've brought in a DoF (Campos) but his choice of head coach doesn't look good imo. Galtier is a good coach but not anywhere close to being elite, and that's not good enough for a club with aspirations of winning the champions league.

I think what's happened at PSG is that they've gone for the head coach that works well with Luis Campos and not a head coach who is best in class. A DoFs choice of head coach is always a good indicator of the direction and strategy the club will take in the coming years imo.

And just to add to some of the posts earlier about Abu Dhabi buying City and how their football structure evolved from the time they were bought. The owners put Garry Cook in charge and he made many errors before calling upon his former Nike colleague, Brian Marwood to oversee the development of the football structure at the club. And City's football department grew to what it is today, due to Brian Marwood having the experience of understanding the staffing requirements on the football side of the club. And to this day, City's football personnel on the structural side were brought to the club by Marwood. It wasn't the guys from Barcelona who developed the football side of the club like some like to believe.



There isn't anything difficult about running competently on the football side of the club imo. The so called well run clubs aren't doing anything out of the ordinary. As long as you have a DoF who then has the support structure in place with best in class scouts and said DoF then brings in a top tier head coach, you will develop as team. Because the key is to have everyone working together which hadn't been the case in previous seasons under Ed Woodward.
 

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I’m convinced if Qataris buy us, psg would become their second rate project. In that case, not sure about Mbappe but Hakimi please.
Hakimi and Sancho could link up well,however still think it's pie in the sky for either to join Utd
 

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People need to stop comparing us to City and PSG. They have to work overtime to try and convince the world they are a genuine top tier club and build a worldwide brand. They cook the books and pay ludicrous sums of money in shady underhand deals to get what they want. All United need is investment in infrastructure, facilities and competent management and recruitment. The club is perfectly capable of becoming the very best without any shady business.
 

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Ah, so this makes total sense.

The Emir was in England studying while Fergie dominated the league and won the treble.

No wonder he wants to help personally recreate it.
 

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Ah, so this makes total sense.

The Emir was in England studying while Fergie dominated the league and won the treble.

No wonder wants to help personally recreate it.
Would wager that he's a more genuine United fan than Chelsea season ticket holder Sir Jim
 

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So everyone wanted us to be ‘fan owned’ for years, but not a fan from Qatar.

I’m not an expert on the politics, but the Sheikh in question is British made I understand? I’m not sure how long he lived here, but apparently he did and studied here. I do wonder if a Qatari reared in the west would personally be in support of beheading and the like. I’m not even attempting to be a denier, I don’t know the facts - but it would seem unlikely no?

I appreciate that he is a Sheikh so we could in theory say well of he doesn’t agree with it why doesn’t he just change all the laws in Qatar himself, but that would seem a bit far-fetched to me.
 
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