Guess it’s a personal preference but I don’t want those cnuts to be involved in the club in any financial sense anymore. They would also take dividends out of the club so more of the clubs money going to them as time goes on.
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I just think a bid that is 100% ownership. No debt. Gives a plan for the team, stadium, training, women’s team is much superior to a majority bid that uses billions of debt will be chained to ‘Wallstreet’ doesn’t give any plans about the stadium, training, or women’s team.
If the bids are reversed. We know exactly what people would be saying. Everything about Nice would be an issue. Everything about the debt, majority ownership, lack of talk about the stadium, training and women’s team would be huge issues.
Its nothing to do with the poster being gay.
Fully respect their decision however to wish the club is ruined is too much hence the sentiment.
You're taking mental gymnastics to suggest hypocrisy. It's like when people choose to be vegetarian and then someone will say "blargh you wear leather belts though. What a hypocrite".
Ultimately everyone has their own moral compass that draws the line on different levels. I'm not here to discuss that. I'm here to take exception to your idea about how proper boyhood United fans wouldn't want INEOS to take on glazer debt and have Ratcliff own the club.
There are reasons why it works and there's also reason why Qatar works. Suggesting one is the boyhood United way and the other isn't is absolute bollocks.
I didn't say there wasn't. Do you know what I am answering to?
Oh im so sorry that i did not write "yes, i think so" it wont happen again officer.
This is is implistic nonsense.
Judged purely on merit, the current available information shows the qatar bid to be objectively superior to the ineos bid.
It identifies areas of expenditure necessary, such as infrastructure, stadium, the womens team, that Ineos studiously ignore.
It is possible ME owners would be worse too. We literally have 0 clue on who they would hire, if they want to be the center of attention or not, what structure they would implement. Nobody can know any of this until it happens. There is an equal chance of any scenario under any ownership... For all we know, the new owner might be a Ronaldo and Mourinho fanboy and think Ten Hag and his pressing are nonsense.
Also - what makes it a bad job that Ratcliffe is doing with Nice? Genuine question. Don't give me nonsense like "they haven't made the CL in 3 seasons since takeover" when their revenues and spend don't dictate that that is an expectation. Ownership is judged over a long period of time, based on performance relative to revenue and spend in the league, if the club is losing money, how they are set up for the future, etc. Only financial doping as ownership will have an instant impact.
Also - it is irrelevant for you, I, or the club if the owners have debt. As long as the club isn't the one paying it off and isn't on the hook for it, I couldn't give a feck what the owner does. As long as the owner doesn't take money out of the club (and reports have been that they wouldn't, and that they would move the existing debt to their name), then the club is in a good and healthy position.
Will we get a jazzy little megastore in Tokyo like PSG do if Qatar takes over? No one’s asking the important questions.
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RIP. Ours would be popular though!
EDIT - apparently it’s permanently closed now anyway
RIP. Ours would be popular though!It’s called the Groucho Marx guide to ethics…’These are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well, I’ve got other ones’
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If Qataris would come for Ajax there would be blood on the streets. I rather would have another 18/19 CL campaign ending in tears on the edge of a CL final than winning one becasue of middle east oil money.
Seems the majority thing isn't a case of them sticking around anyway, just that they don't own 100 % of the shares in the club anymore, or something like that.
As we don’t know the whole picture, you have to go on assumptions and think the loan they will take out will be to buy the club. What about money for the current debt, stadium and training ground. I’ve just written off the idea they will input money for transfers. You need £6B minimum to do the above.
If they partner with another bid or don’t fully own the club then the likely hood of any other money coming from Ineos is high.
They don’t even own 100% of shares right now. Just would prefer them to be gone and that any money the clubs earns it keeps which is what Al Thani has proposed.
I'd rather get relegated to League Two than get taken over by Qatar...what pains me the most however is the reaction of the fan base. Other than reddit, every social media I've seen is full of bellends twerking for Qatar...including RedCafe
Good job they aren’t interested in buying Ajax then isn’t it.
feck me. Qatar is tory heaven. Ruled by a small elite, ultra capitalist, terrible human rights record, no accountabilityMadness isn’t it?
I’d rather have Qataris than Tories. The Tories have done more damage than any Qatari regime.
I wouldn't mind an Ienos or Qatari ownership, the main outcome I want out of this is the Glazers gone. But Jim's bid is vague on the level of debt he'd procure to fund his bid because even if he was to put in on Ineos' books he'd still be on the hook for it, at approx 5% he'd be looking at potentially paying anything between £100m to £200m in interest and it will, in some way, affect his ability fund the important infrastructural upgrades that are now due.
I am also suspicious of his bid anchoring too much on identity politics with a hint on xenophobia, something we know appeals a lot to the top red fringe. I dont know how such beliefs would impact the decision making processes, remember the club has had to raise the middle finger to the sentimental, delusional fringe on key decisions like the Moyes sack, the Ole sack and the ETH hire. I worry that if Sir Jim carries his Britannia rhetoric into decision making then will have the same Woodwardsque missteps.
The fact that he is not overcommiting on the stadium promises makes me suspicious that it will be the same Glazernomics dressed up in a Manc accent and could be a major step back at a time when the likes of Spurs and Liverpool could be under new ownership soon. The Glazers never understood that the bottomline is won and earned on the football pitch and if Sir Jim comes in with corporate B.S about cutting the fat, smart money etc then we are in for another era of pain.
The Qafari might face resistance and could make some key mistakes but eventually they will get it right and the ability of the club to compete financially will be secured. We all know that soon City or PSG will win the CL, took United under Fergie how mamy years to crack Europe?
I am also suspicious of his bid anchoring too much on identity politics with a hint on xenophobia, something we know appeals a lot to the top red fringe. I dont know how such beliefs would impact the decision making processes, remember the club has had to raise the middle finger to the sentimental, delusional fringe on key decisions like the Moyes sack, the Ole sack and the ETH hire. I worry that if Sir Jim carries his Britannia rhetoric into decision making then will have the same Woodwardsque missteps.
The fact that he is not overcommiting on the stadium promises makes me suspicious that it will be the same Glazernomics dressed up in a Manc accent and could be a major step back at a time when the likes of Spurs and Liverpool could be under new ownership soon. The Glazers never understood that the bottomline is won and earned on the football pitch and if Sir Jim comes in with corporate B.S about cutting the fat, smart money etc then we are in for another era of pain.
The Qafari might face resistance and could make some key mistakes but eventually they will get it right and the ability of the club to compete financially will be secured. We all know that soon City or PSG will win the CL, took United under Fergie how mamy years to crack Europe?
Do you generally believe most people have read the statement? You are being a bit naïve if you believe that.
I stand by what I said, the majority have not read either statement and are basing their decision on familiarity. In this case, Qataris are known to be extremely rich and instantly take the lead in people's minds; the vast majority will not look beyond that.
Ineos/Ratcliffe are far lesser known than a country, so they would always be in second place, no matter what statement is put out by them. The statements will not decide the favourite amongst fans.
Good on ya mate.
Of course if the bid was reversed it would be different. But you simply can't ignore the very real issues. United will be directly tied to Qatar. Every press conference ten hag will be asked about political issues where he will now be uncomfortable and have to say "uh, I can only talk about football" and we have to morally pretend like it doesn't bother us, when every single one of us have criticized Newcastle, PSG and City for the same thing.
I wouldn't stop supporting the club, but I'd just much rather prefer not to have the club I've supported my whole life not also be a whole moral black spot.
Enemy of progress!
That was a waste of a minute reading that. Says absolutely nothing of note.
I genuinely worry for your mental state if Qatar purchases United man
Great post mate.
Twiggy will be alright, he will find a new topic.
Why are hypothesising about something that wouldn't happen and something you wouldn't do?
It's really not just down to them being rich.
The Qataris are the only ones who've promised full investment into building a new stadium, training facilities, developing the area and clearing the debt entirely. Things as fans we've been crying out for.
Ineos have only given us insubstantial assurances about putting Manchester back in United whatever that means.
They would make a great feeder club for us. We should be lobbying the owners for this in the next few months
Don't know if you are sarcastic but I mean it and luckily most supporters agree.
And the Qatar statement did?
No I think it’s a great post and something I’ve always agreed with.
If they can give us apparel that looks as good as some of the PSG/Jordan Brand Collab, bring on our Qatari overlordsWill we get a jazzy little megastore in Tokyo like PSG do if Qatar takes over? No one’s asking the important questions.
EDIT - apparently it’s permanently closed now anyway
This wouldn't happen.
Exactly… I don’t think it’d go down well, hoying us gays off the north stand roof…
United will sign up to all the LGBT+ campaigns as always, PSG have done and so have City in the past.
It's possible, but at least Qatar have made clear statements about investment in infrastructure, the stadium and all our football teams. INEOS have not mentioned any of that in their statement, simply a vague mention of investing which could mean anything. There has also been an article from a while ago mentioning that Qatar wanted to back ETH with big investment which would suggest he should at least be safe under Qatari ownership.
In terms of Nice they were already finishing in roughly the same positions in the league consistently before INEOS took over. You would expect with the money that company would put into the club that they would show some signs of improvement. Also, any Nice fans I've seen talk about Ratcliffe and INEOS don't like him at all and think he's done a poor job. They're better sources than you or me frankly.
It's not irrelevant if the owner of our club has significant debt to repay, because whether he's taking money directly out of Utd or not, he'll be losing money that he could have been investing into the club, its infrastructure, the women's team, the academy, the stadium, etc.
“ blood on the streets”
Kin'ell, what a mental image that was.But exactly, nothing will change on that front, in fact they may make bigger donations to the relevant communities and offer additional support.
We're way too big to be a feeder club but I do agree we should have more of a collaboration than we do now. The whole Martinez transfer is a great example. We pick him up from Argentina for 7 million and sell hem for 70 million. If there would be some form of a mutual beneficial partnership United wouldn't have to pay the jackpot and we could pick up some more pearls from SA or let a Zidane Iqbal mature in the Eredivisie.
People can buy more than one obviously.
2.25 bn…. That’s more than a quarter of everyone on Earth. Ridiculous.
Everything, starting with "majority" not 100% and ending with the bring Manchester back cringey line.
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