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Are you just going to gloss right over the first name?What a surname. Why is he being paroled after a crime like that?
I mean of course it's Colin.Are you just going to gloss right over the first name?
In countries with actual due process - where you're not just beheaded on the main square a day after your sentence -, the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment.Should have been hanged, save the taxpayer some money.
Death sentence costs a lot more than life imprisonment.Should have been hanged, save the taxpayer some money.
On a broad scale it makes sense as a policy. It helps reduce overcrowding, reduce recidivism, makes prisons safer for inmates/officers and saves money. Plus it's broadly popular. When asked, people tend to be in favour of prisoners who no longer pose a threat to society being able to apply for earlier release and good behaviour counting towards their sentence.I've never understood "time off for good behaviour" ... I get they want to try and see if people can change their behaviours and I'm sure they don't want prisoners who go "feck it, I'll kill someone in here if I've already got life".
But for some crimes (and Colin Pitchfork is one), I'd just say life in prison.
There will always be outlier cases like this that make everyone want to lose their shit. But a truly impartial justice system doesn't take emotion into consideration.Generally I am against whole life tariffs without the possibility of parole but there are some crimes whereby you should never be allowed out of prison. Raping and murdering two schoolgirls should see that you’re never allowed to walk the streets again.
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How? Is there evidence that backs this up?Death sentence costs a lot more than life imprisonment.
Plenty. Most analyses look at the cost of appeals (time value of lawyers and judges)How? Is there evidence that backs this up?
Yes, there are decades of research backing this up.How? Is there evidence that backs this up?
Whats so expensive about a cliff over looking piranha infested waters?Death sentence costs a lot more than life imprisonment.
Are you saying someone accused of murdering two young girls does not deserve a day in court? That they should just be hung in the public square?Due process can end with hanging. Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process. Have you got kids, or a sister? Can you imagine going through that with your family? People like him don't deserve to be covered by "the rules".
Imagine living in a world where we can send soldiers into a foreign country to murder "terrorists" but rapists and murderers are entitled to due process. What a fecked up world we live in...
Have you got kids or a brother?Due process can end with hanging. Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process. Have you got kids, or a sister? Can you imagine going through that with your family? People like him don't deserve to be covered by "the rules".
Imagine living in a world where we can send soldiers into a foreign country to murder "terrorists" but rapists and murderers are entitled to due process. What a fecked up world we live in...
Talk about missing the point.Due process can end with hanging. Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process. Have you got kids, or a sister? Can you imagine going through that with your family? People like him don't deserve to be covered by "the rules".
Imagine living in a world where we can send soldiers into a foreign country to murder "terrorists" but rapists and murderers are entitled to due process. What a fecked up world we live in...
In this specific case, there was a suspect who actually confessed to one of the murders. Imagine if he wasn't allowed "due process"Have you got kids or a brother?
Imagine your son was wrongly accused of raping and murdering two young girls. Would you be fine with him being hung without due process?
Richard Buckland, a 17-year-old Narborough boy with learning difficulties, and who knew Dawn, appeared to have knowledge of some details of the crime that had not been made public. Under questioning he would repeatedly admit the crime, and then withdraw the admission. On 10 August he was charged with Dawn’s murder, and appeared in court the following day.
Buckland refused to confess to the murder of Lynda, however. He was adamant that he was not guilty of that crime. The police, in their certainty that both girls’ lives had been taken by the same person, were convinced he was lying.
Human rights apply to all humans regardless of what they may or may not have done, not just the ones you want them to.Due process can end with hanging. Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process. Have you got kids, or a sister? Can you imagine going through that with your family? People like him don't deserve to be covered by "the rules".
Imagine living in a world where we can send soldiers into a foreign country to murder "terrorists" but rapists and murderers are entitled to due process. What a fecked up world we live in...
I didn't know that but I'm not surprised. These things seem to happen all the time.In this specific case, there was a suspect who actually confessed to one of the murders. Imagine if he wasn't allowed "due process"
Irrelevant. This guy was convicted with DNA evidence.Have you got kids or a brother?
Imagine your son was wrongly accused of raping and murdering two young girls. Would you be fine with him being hung without due process?
Do you write for the Daily Mail?Due process can end with hanging. Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process. Have you got kids, or a sister? Can you imagine going through that with your family? People like him don't deserve to be covered by "the rules".
Imagine living in a world where we can send soldiers into a foreign country to murder "terrorists" but rapists and murderers are entitled to due process. What a fecked up world we live in...
No, but hanging should be a legitimate sentence.Are you saying someone accused of murdering two young girls does not deserve a day in court? That they should just be hung in the public square?
Of course he is entitled to a trial, but the sentence of being hanged should be an option, especially for people who rape and murder children. Are you siding with this murderer?Have you got kids or a brother?
Imagine your son was wrongly accused of raping and murdering two young girls. Would you be fine with him being hung without due process?
You quite literally said:100% agree. I never said he wasn't entitled to a trial. He could have been totally innocent of the crime. But he wasn't. He raped and murdered two young children, and was found unequivocally guilty of the crime, but we are debating whether he was entitled to due process. He had it. My point is he should have been hanged and then we wouldn't have to be debating his potential release back into society.
Even if you were just referring to him not being due the right to live I still STRONGLY disagree. Being against the death penalty is not being on the side of the convicted. To echo Dwazza, vengeance is not justice. The state has NO right to take the life of one of its citizens.Someone who rapes and murders two young girls is not due any process.
But any privately run prison is separate/independent from The Parole Service?It has more to do with the fact that nowadays prisons are privately held and the government have quotas to fill for number of inmates through the door. In order to increase that number, and for the private company to get paid, they release people in order to increase the throughput of the system. It has little to do with "good behaviour" like the prisoner has actually been rehabilitated.
That's not what you said at all. You quite literally said that he wasn't entitled to any due process (his trial).100% agree. I never said he wasn't entitled to a trial. He could have been totally innocent of the crime. But he wasn't. He raped and murdered two young children, and was found unequivocally guilty of the crime, but we are debating whether he was entitled to due process. He had it. My point is he should have been hanged and then we wouldn't have to be debating his potential release back into society.
The issue I would have with that is who does the hanging?No, but hanging should be a legitimate sentence.
