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[Righteous Steps]

Who would be in your top 20?

Nas
Jay-Z
Tupac
Kool G Rap
Styles P
Ghostface
Common
Scarface
Rakim
Redman
Eminem
Az
Jadakiss
Big Pun
Big L
Andre 3000
Lauryn Hill
Mos def
Kendrick Lamar
Drake

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Can't stand either Eminem or Jay Z music. Em hates his mum and Hov has money, that's about it.

Jay Z lyrics sure do sound like a 17 year old who just discovered Robin Hood app.

 

[villain]

Jay Z lyrics sure do sound like a 17 year old who just discovered Robin Hood app.

What?! Maybe his tone of voice makes it sound like that, because it can be quite pitchy & whiny, but Jay-z is a masterful lyricist, to think anything else is just incorrect.
He's in the upper echelon of lyricists, his style is just more conversational & casual so it can go over a lot of people's heads quite easily if they don't pay attention.

 

[villain]

Nas
Jay-Z
Tupac
Kool G Rap
Styles P
Ghostface
Common
Scarface
Rakim
Redman
Eminem
Az
Jadakiss
Big Pun
Big L
Andre 3000
Lauryn Hill
Mos def
Kendrick Lamar
Drake

There's a lot I like here, I wouldn't have Common or Lauryn in there, Mos might fall off too considering his lack of consistency too.
The Biggie omission is huge though. I'd have Black Thought & Ice Cube in there too, but yeah pretty similar to what mine would look like.

 

[lsd]

Nas
Jay-Z
Tupac
Kool G Rap
Styles P
Ghostface
Common
Scarface
Rakim
Redman
Eminem
Az
Jadakiss
Big Pun
Big L
Andre 3000
Lauryn Hill
Mos def
Kendrick Lamar
Drake

I would mostly agree to be fair. I would also have Styles P above Jadakiss and I wouldn't have Biggie or Jay Z in as I personally find them too poppy for my taste same as Drake actually

I might have Rick Ross in my top 20 as he may be full of BS but I do like his music when I'm the mood.

Nas
Pac
Kendrick
Ice Cube
Scarface
Andre 3000
Common
Styles P
J Cole
Rakim
Lauryn Hill
AZ
Q Tip
Jadakiss
Big Pun
Vince Staples
Asap Rocky
Rick Ross
Mos Def
Guru

 

[Conor]

I sort of reckon Nas is the best rapper. He's not my favourite, he doesn't have the best albums, or the most sales or the most success, but if you measure a rapper by his use of words and the style with which he delivers those words, then there is no one better than him. Forget any top 5 placation.

Whatever about the best(I'd be happy to agree), I'm not sure anything could ever top what he did, writing Illmatic as a teenager.

 

[youngrell]

I'm not sure some here have actually listened to Jay Z outside of some radio hits. Some crazy comments.

 

[Roosney]

I'm not sure some here have actually listened to Jay Z outside of some radio hits. Some crazy comments.

I've never heard a Hov verse that's really really good. Nothing but random catchy lines and braggadocio. In one ear out the other. Also to me he has always sounded like a witty notebook crook.

 

[lsd]

I'm not sure some here have actually listened to Jay Z outside of some radio hits. Some crazy comments.

Yeah if you like pop rap like Drake he is right up there. He has made a career of churning out commercial rap and fake boasts about selling more dope than Escobar and now he is known as Mr Beyonce.

He is proof that you can sell millions be super rich yet not really very good or original

 

[Lay]

It’s gotten crazy here

 

[sebsheep]

It’s gotten crazy here

Aye it's a joke, not one mention of Conner4real.

 

[youngrell]

I've never heard a Hov verse that's really really good. Nothing but random catchy lines and braggadocio. In one ear out the other. Also to me he has always sounded like a witty notebook crook.

Yeah if you like pop rap like Drake he is right up there. He has made a career of churning out commercial rap and fake boasts about selling more dope than Escobar and now he is known as Mr Beyonce.

He is proof that you can sell millions be super rich yet not really very good or original

You guys couldn’t have proven my point more spectacularly.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

I'm going to post this here in hope that it cures some people.

 

[Pickle85]

Nas
Jay-Z
Tupac
Kool G Rap
Styles P
Ghostface
Common
Scarface
Rakim
Redman
Eminem
Az
Jadakiss
Big Pun
Big L
Andre 3000
Lauryn Hill
Mos def
Kendrick Lamar
Drake

No Biggie? Black Thought in there for me too.

 

[Righteous Steps]

No Biggie? Black Thought in there for me too.

I forgot biggie he’s somewhere in the Top 10. Black thought Lupe Fiasco and Pharoahe Monch are three I rate highly especially lyrically that would miss out.

 

[Roosney]

You guys couldn’t have proven my point more spectacularly.

Same goes to you.

 

[Lay]

I forgot biggie he’s somewhere in the Top 10. Black thought Lupe Fiasco and Pharoahe Monch are three I rate highly especially lyrically that would miss out.

Ice cube?

 

[BootsyCollins]

Its a good list imo, missing some names thought. Like Cube, Monch, Big Boi(criminaly underrated, mostly because of the praise 3K gets i think) and most obviously DMX.
Maybe we need a top 20 thread?

 

[adexkola]

Future is in my top 20
Also, Big Boi has a strong case for being higher than Andre in any list
Also, not enough Wayne

 

[JJ12]

Meek Mill

 

[lsd]

I'm going to post this here in hope that it cures some people.

The only good part in that is Nas and that proves my point. Jay has everything you could want except the respect Nas has as a rapper and that kills him

Jay was so consumed with envy of Nas he waited till Nas was mourning his mother's death before attacking him thinking he wouldnt be able to hit back

Then when when he got ethered he cried on live radio you cant be a great when you cry on radio

 

[Pickle85]

I forgot biggie he’s somewhere in the Top 10. Black thought Lupe Fiasco and Pharoahe Monch are three I rate highly especially lyrically that would miss out.

It's a solid list. Yeah big fan of Pharaoh too. Never heard of Lupe Fiasco. I think Method Man and Dre would be in mine too.

 

[Lay]

It's a solid list. Yeah big fan of Pharaoh too. Never heard of Lupe Fiasco. I think Method Man and Dre would be in mine too.

Dre?

 

[Lay]

The only good part in that is Nas and that proves my point. Jay has everything you could want except the respect Nas has as a rapper and that kills him

Jay was so consumed with envy of Nas he waited till Nas was mourning his mother's death before attacking him thinking he wouldnt be able to hit back

Then when when he got ethered he cried on live radio you cant be a great when you cry on radio

Nas got at Jay first during his little back and forth with Bleek.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Big Boi has a strong case for being higher than Andre in any list

100% agree.

I also feel that people underrate Method Man.

 

[JP77]

Jay Z is a legend in the game. Understandable if somebody doesn't rate him as the best but to act like he's not good is madness. He's not in my top 5 personally but definitely belongs up there in the conversation with some of the best.

 

[villain]

I think there's a particular style of rap that's appreciated on here, and deviation from that style gets massively underrated or even slated.

 

[dumbo]

It's a solid list. Yeah big fan of Pharaoh too. Never heard of Lupe Fiasco. I think Method Man and Dre would be in mine too.

Versatile, super lyrical, creative song writer. Also raps about skateboards and dinosaurs so will always be overlooked by the mainstream.

 

[adexkola]

I think there's a particular style of rap that's appreciated on here, and deviation from that style gets massively underrated or even slated.

It's very dusty and timberland boots in here...

100% agree.

I also feel that people underrate Method Man.

True! Can argue he has the best solo run in the collective after Ghostface

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

True! Can argue he has the best solo run in the collective after Ghostface

If you look into how many of the Clan's songs he's written you would be surprised. The man is a fountain of rhyme.

 

[lsd]

Nas got at Jay first during his little back and forth with Bleek.

Yeah they were taking subliminals at each other but i just think it was really low for Jay to then go and name him the way he did at that time in Nas's life because he thought it would be an easy win.

Then you get the fact he did it on what was really a Mobb Deep diss because he thought they were close when in reality Mobb Deep and Nas were going through some street beef. If Jay was really the king of the streets he kept claiming wouldn't he have known that?

To be honest i think what hurt him the most was Nas calling him a Stan because he really was obsessed to the point of going with Nas's ex wife. Like what was that s
About ? Was he going to try on Nas's old outfits too?

Just always seemed very strange.

Still they seem to be ok with each other now

 

[Desert Eagle]

I'm going to post this here in hope that it cures some people.

 

[villain]

It's very dusty and timberland boots in here...

If I speak, I'm in big big trouble.

But anyway, it's controversial, but I think Luda has a case for the top 20, top 30 for sure.

 

[Lay]

If I speak, I'm in big big trouble.

But anyway, it's controversial, but I think Luda has a case for the top 20, top 30 for sure.

I was debating putting him in my list. Really underrated. I prefer him to a lot of other rappers from the south

 

[lsd]

If I speak, I'm in big big trouble.

But anyway, it's controversial, but I think Luda has a case for the top 20, top 30 for sure.

Oh good shout prime Luda was amazing. Never really delivered a great album but he had some great songs and the best punchlines

 

[Based Adnan]

Glad to see Mos Def get love here, guy is mad underrated

 

[2mufc0]

Jay Z is a legend in the game. Understandable if somebody doesn't rate him as the best but to act like he's not good is madness. He's not in my top 5 personally but definitely belongs up there in the conversation with some of the best.

I don't particularly like him but taking bias out he should be top 20.

 

[JP77]

Could make a massive list on underrated rappers. 50 is up there for me, at his peak back in the day he was brilliant.

Snoop has done so much over the years and brought out so many random albums and become a huge character on TV/media that people forget how good he once was. Peak Snoop on Doggystyle is tough to top for me, still stands up as maybe the greatest album in rap.

 

[2mufc0]

If the likes of Drake and Lauryn Hill are being put in these lists Cube and Game should be too, I mean Cube would make most top 5s. Although Lupe has been mentioned he should be in the conversation for t20 too.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Jay Z is a legend in the game. Understandable if somebody doesn't rate him as the best but to act like he's not good is madness. He's not in my top 5 personally but definitely belongs up there in the conversation with some of the best.

Exactly this, really bizarre posts around here.