Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Luke1995, Oct 15, 2019.
This isn't even close, C Ronaldo.
One is in the argument for GOAT, the other two aren't
On pure talent alone CR7 is third. Da lima a distant first and Dinho in between
That was my point. Maybe I didn't emphasise. The point is that these should, could and would are not strong enough factors.
Including the points you made. When the paint is dry, it is Cristiano Ronaldo that is higher up in the ATG rankings purely based on his achievements.
No shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Cristiano Ronaldo is obviously the most accomplished player of the three but Ronaldo was the best player out of them. Followed by Dinho imo. Cristiano in 3rd. Its all very close though, all of them are all time greats. My point is if you had either of them in your side you probably wouldnt swap him for any player in history.
Thus sayeth Kemo.
Along with Baggio and Zico probably the most underrated footballers in history.
Indeed. Its telling, that on a Man Utd forum, Cristiano is generally seen as the least naturally gifted of the three. Cristiano is, and will go down as the greatest of the three, no doubt.
However, he doesn't have the otherworldly talent that the other two have, nor Leo or Diego's. Hes very seldom left you thinking that you had just seen the best player in history. His longevity and goals will keep him as 3-5th best player of all time.
Thanks for posting this!
This is a good thread for a change of pace considering all the other threads on here these days
While R9 and Ronaldinho may be arguably more gifted, not many of these super gifted footballers had/have the drive and will power of Cristiano. Look at how he keeps himself as far as conditioning goes and his will to continue to win even after all that he’s won and achieved at this stage of his career.
just like many have said. Having talent and gift gets you so far, then the individual needs to have that special something to take it to the next level and then something even more special to continue to sustain that desire and drive.
Hard one, on the heart, not the head. CR7 has over the years earned himself the right to be on a different pedestal to the other two, even if they were more naturally talented. Unfortunate anatomy and consequent injury robbed us of the best of R9, probably the most complete of the 3.
Ronaldinho is hands down the most exciting footballer I have ever seen, just for what he could do with a football. Sadly he had other things on his mind...
Interesting question. To strictly answer the question, the order for me would be a) L Ronaldo b) Ronaldinho c) Cristiano
At the end of the day, ability matters less than effectiveness on the pitch. The most talented of players will be weeded out if they cannot deliver. In terms of effectiveness and general career achievements, Cristiano is far ahead of Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
There's a fundamental problem with people and even pros determining which and which is 'talent'. Everywhere on this thread, I'm seeing ''oh, he's more talented, so...''; but breaking it down, when you guys and a lot (which is 100% wrong) say 'talented', you're basically talking about manner of touch and dribbling. All the 'elegance', 'finesse', 'caress', 'comfortability on the ball' just means in a nutshell Touch and Dribbling, but that is just a little yet vital piece of what actual Talent is.
Talent involves reading of the game with and without the ball, positional awareness, mental fortitude under intense pressure (oh yes, that's talent too...or else what would you call it?), ability to do the simplest and most basic of things on the pitch to near perfection without needing to be extravagant all the time.
All these along with dribbling and much more makes up what 'talent' is, not to talk of agility, speed, physicality.
So, I'd say in a much better context, as much as you may not like it or as much as you'll disagree and claim to 'know better', Ronaldo, Cristiano and Dinho are arguably equally talented, but have different areas of concentration of these talents. Ronaldinho is the more eye-catchy player even by an average football watcher due to what he does with the ball on the field, same as Ronaldo and to a little extent, Cristiano. But the former two don't really have any other attributes especially without the ball...that's where Cristiano comes in. I've watched Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, and their positional awareness and ability to switch positions like a dart, looking for a little opportunity is basically average like any other average footballer, they only light up the stadium when they're with the ball.
The three are ridiculously talented but in different aspects.
Ronaldo going down the typical South American career path:
It's true that Ronaldo had weight problems and declined early, but he came back from devastating injuries at one point. Sadly Never regained his acceleration, still won the World Cup and had some World Class seasons. I would really give him credit for that.
I like this. We should rename Rashford to Rashfordinho in the next game because there's an older Rashford in the team.
Or you’ve tried to force the discussion the way you wanted it to go ?
There’s no argument that fat Ronaldo or Ronaldinho we’re better than Cristiano looking at the careers overall. But sure you could manipulate things
The guy who would these moves before the age of 21
Ronaldinho then Cristiano then the now fatty Ronaldo.
You could use all three in the same eleven, since Romario was a striker, Baggio was a mezzo punta (between the trequartista and striker) and Zico was a trequartista.
Eventually Romário went back to Brazil on a time the brazilian league was actually quite good. When we were defeated by Vasco da Gama, Romário made a hell of a game, despite being 34 y.o
For me football is about entertainment and feelings. It is showbiz after all. The players that appeal to heart and eyes with magical moments on the pitch win crowds over. Like when Cantona came here with his nonchalant elegance, made the crowd go crazy with his moments of magic on the pitch and injected us with enthusiasm around the sport and the club. We don't want to see the mathematical approach to the sport (Like LvG and Mou). We want to be entertained and we want those magical moments. This is also why giving Ole a real go and another couple of windows to make this team right is the right thing to do. Because if….if he makes it! It would be that fairytale that brings enthusiasm back to the club and fans, and give us things to remember and talk about for decades to come.
Back to topic:
Who would I pay the most to see doing a peak performance? Ronaldo1997
Who would I hire for the rest of this season to save the day? Ronaldo1997
The attendance numbers for Inter before and after Ronaldo came in -97 are just crazy. #impact
Yea, there's no doubt Cristiano Ronaldo is by far, far more accomplished in his career over the other two, and overall a more balanced player too.
But there's also no doubt that the Ronaldo up until his knees went was the greatest player I've ever seen. The amount of talent he had was simply ridiculous.
Comparing Cristiano with Ronaldo and Ronaldinho is like comparing Pele with Garrincha and George Best. No doubt there will be football fans at that time favouring those 2 above Pele in terms of entertainment value, or pure talent or peak performance to the eyes. But history will always remember Pele as the greatest, for his far superior achievements and insane number of goals etc.
You can fit about 3 or 4 Ronaldinho Careers into 1 C.Ronaldo career.
Talent is subjective although R9 was probably the most talented of the 3.
No chance, Pele was more talented than George Best, Ronaldinho and R9 are more talented than Ronaldo, don't see the parralells on a footballing level.
Money will make people do anything.
Talent and potential don't mean much if you're wondering what could have been instead of what was at then of the road.
Who did the most with what he had?
Who lasted the longest and took the best care of himself?
Who is a better human being?
I used to hear people say George Best is more talented, but Pele is greater player.
Probably there is a distinction between striker (speciality) and forward (position). Romario is definitely an all time GOAT, but then I'd still have CR and Ronaldo ahead of him.
Funny thing: I would say brazilians would be 50/50 on Pelé vs Garrincha
They were probably a bit better overall players, but Romario was statistically a beast in the shots/goals ratio.
If only he wasn't such a lazy bastard in terms of tactical work...
If we're talking about who I'd like to pay to see in their prime then the choice is quite easy.
Ronaldinho. Nobody could do the things he could do with a football, before or since. Had a big hand in making Messi what he is today.
Ronaldo9. The game was like a joke to him. Made every thing look so easy. His first season at Barca will go down as one of the best ever.
Ronaldo7. Obviously a fantastic player but on an entertainment level he doesn't get close to the other 2. More machine than wizard. Given the choice between watching Ronaldinho and Ronaldo9 for 3 seasons or Cristiano for 15 I'd go for the first option.
R9 more talented, CR7 had the better career. Blows my mind R9 has never won the Champions League. Can you imagine a combination of the two...
It can be argued that Cristiano always played in teams who suited his strenghts, while Ronaldinho and the other Ronaldo played in teams who did not always had a good tactical system...
Blah blah blah, another Cristiano vs thread, started by a pure hater. Why not pit him against Neymar next, just to see how ridiculous this nonsense is. Cristiano has more Ballon d'ors, more goals, lasted longer, has 5 UCL to the two others what is it 1?. But oh the "eye test" cue the what ifs, could haves. And then you consider Cristiano was a pure winger who transformed to a wing forward to a striker, who's 34 and still is sprinting with 25 year olds. Get the hell out.
And I'll say this again Cristiano is comparable to Pele, if he was Brazilian, he'd be the closest to the great man, blowing Ronaldinho and Ronaldo away, who are nowhere near Pele even in their own country men's eyes.
Can't argue with that
No way, not a single soul thats played this sport was/is more talent than Best.
Forgetting Ronaldo started off as a traditional RW in a 4-4-2 while the other two have always played in the positions that got the best out of their skillset?
R9 was the most talented for me. Skill, speed and effectiveness combined. But I enjoyed watching Ronaldinho the most. He was just magical for a few seasons at Barca.
CR is obviously a great player, one of the best ever. But even though his figures are extraordinary, I am a bit dissapointed in how his carreer has turned out. He was a joy to watch in his late seasons at Man United. He got more effective at Real, but lost some of the magic along the way imo. I guess it doesn't matter, when he's on your team, but for me, he hasn't been as entertaining throughout his prime at Real, as he was at Man United when he was young.
What a waste he was at PSG. Every through ball should end up in the back of the net, instead it ends up into touch / tackle.
No he's not. None in their right mind who's older than 30 considers Cristiano as the greatest of all time. Even Messi has a better claim, lest not mention Maradona, Pele, Di Stefano, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Garrincha etc.
He's had a legendary career, but he's unpleasant and never rose to God levels in any competition that matter.
Talent doesn't matter if you don't apply it.
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