Cop in America doing a bad job, again

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That police culture is not exclusive of US unfortunately. People that enter to the police corps are not the smartest nor the most peaceful people of the society. Specially the latest. They are the bouncers of the rich to be protected from the "poor", paid by the "poor" themselves. Like the military. Cannon fodder for the rich to get richer
 

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The absolute nerve of him to do it with the bodycam on means that he had no fear of prosecution. and the video just says he got fired. I dont know if he has been arrested yet.
Nope just fired. 10 people were apparently charged and the cnut only got fired. You can commit any crime you want in a uniform, getting fired is the worst that is happening it seems. He's getting heavily sued by the victims though. America is a scary place.
 

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Here's the thing that gets me. Police in traditionally "shit" places like south Asia, east Asia or Africa tend to be crap at their job for monetary gain (bribes), these American cops aren't even after bribes, they're cnuts for the sake of of being cnuts.
America may be a first world country, but it has 3rd world levels of crime culture/trends. I consider myself well-traveled, and I love to observe law enforcement across different parts of the world, and it's my observation that a country's police is a reflection of the greater society.
 

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That police culture is not exclusive of US unfortunately. People that enter to the police corps are not the smartest nor the most peaceful people of the society. Specially the latest. They are the bouncers of the rich to be protected from the "poor", paid by the "poor" themselves. Like the military. Cannon fodder for the rich to get richer
Yes, law enforcement has traditionally always been a blue-collar profession, although recently it's been changing (in the US at least). Why would educated or "smart" people want to become police officers, when they have dozens of "better" options that are safer and higher-paying, and not have to deal with the worst of society on a daily basis. So yeah, police and fire careers are perfect for those who are young and don't have a strong educational background, but maybe did a couple years military after high school. You can make a 6 figure salary with great benefits, great pension, civil-service protection, and have an active unpredictable non-office job? And all you need is to be 20.5 years of age and high school equivalent degree with a clean-ish background? It's not hard to figure out who in society will be attracted to that. But after the economy crashed over a decade ago, more and more people with degrees and careers in other fields have been applying to be POs (like myself). And many departments are preferring applicants with degrees, foreign-language abilities, military experience, other job experiences, etc. which is a good thing and should hopefully improve the policing culture for the better in the future.
 

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Yes, law enforcement has traditionally always been a blue-collar profession, although recently it's been changing (in the US at least). Why would educated or "smart" people want to become police officers, when they have dozens of "better" options that are safer and higher-paying, and not have to deal with the worst of society on a daily basis. So yeah, police and fire careers are perfect for those who are young and don't have a strong educational background, but maybe did a couple years military after high school. You can make a 6 figure salary with great benefits, great pension, civil-service protection, and have an active unpredictable non-office job? And all you need is to be 20.5 years of age and high school equivalent degree with a clean-ish background? It's not hard to figure out who in society will be attracted to that. But after the economy crashed over a decade ago, more and more people with degrees and careers in other fields have been applying to be POs (like myself). And many departments are preferring applicants with degrees, foreign-language abilities, military experience, other job experiences, etc. which is a good thing and should hopefully improve the policing culture for the better in the future.
Well, Some positive in the negative I guess. The problem is that being formally educated doesn't mean that you will not be racist. Probably there is a higher percentage on studies that I have been observing. Hopefully it will improve and that will be reflected in the lower ranks, because the more formally educated will not patrol the streets for long and will hold more responsibility roles.

Is curious that you you put the police and firemen on the same group of people. I don't know other countries but as I know many policemen in person, I know many more firemen. And all of them they have a higher formal education profile and a more likable persona in terms of ethics. I have several friends with masters and working in a good work place that they quit their good jobs to go to the fire department and they never thought for a minute to try to go to the police were most likely would earn more and have a higher rank for starters

I think what it will change the police culture is transparency and with all the cameras out there and in there, eventually they will not have any other option than to behave. But it will take so much time
 

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imagine how stupid you have to be to join the portland pd. if you can tie your shoelaces they treat you like guy peace in la confidential
well done to the extremely stupid Portland police for spreading this blatantly untrue rumour

 

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Randomly saw this while watching a video of Amodou Diallo. Makes me fecking angry.
 

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Just from the economic point of view. How much it costs the salary of those policemen vs a fare ticket + potential fines vs opportunity cost to catch bigger fish
 

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He was acquitted in 2017. He was re-hired today and will get a pension starting now.
 

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He was acquitted in 2017. He was re-hired today and will get a pension starting now.
He murdered that kid and enjoyed it too. Apparently he has "You're F*cked" engraved on the side of his gun.
 

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He was acquitted in 2017. He was re-hired today and will get a pension starting now.
At first glance I thought he got hired as a PO elsewhere, but turns out he's made some kind of deal with the city to get rehired (non-sworn position) just to get his pension(?). It's all a bunch of civil service red tape and legal procedures. I'm still surprised he got acquitted but Arizona is a LEO-friendly red state.
 

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What I don't get is why? What is the point? Did he get a kick out of ruining people lives?
 

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What I don't get is why? What is the point? Did he get a kick out of ruining people lives?
Aren't cops more likely to get promoted / a raise if they "catch more criminals" ?
 

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What I don't get is why? What is the point? Did he get a kick out of ruining people lives?
He’ll get away with it because the system doesn’t care about these victims.

They literally gave a murderer a pension a few posts up.

If he even goes to jail I’ll be surprised.
 

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Attorney is an American word so I assumed the poster to be in America and referring to a lawyer who goes to court to represent their client. That’s not what I do.

I read, write, evaluate and give advice about corporate contracts mostly.
 

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Attorney is an American word so I assumed the poster to be in America and referring to a lawyer who goes to court to represent their client. That’s not what I do.

I read, write, evaluate and give advice about corporate contracts mostly.
Gotcha. Yes, we use the two words basically interchangeably.

I assume you’re talking about the barrister vs soliciter distinction?
 

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Gotcha. Yes, we use the two words basically interchangeably.

I assume you’re talking about the barrister vs soliciter distinction?
At a simplistic level yes.
In the UK though most solicitors are litigators so if you practice a specialised field of law you’re more likely to refer to yourself as a ‘property lawyer’ rather than a ‘property solicitor’ because the latter just isn’t as common. And ‘property lawyer’ is a catchall that includes counsel, associate, senior associate etc depending on your role/experience within your firm.

I have to confess, I’ve never really got into the Simpsons enough to know who he is.
This is sacrilege
 

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At a simplistic level yes.
In the UK though most solicitors are litigators so if you practice a specialised field of law you’re more likely to refer to yourself as a ‘property lawyer’ rather than a ‘property solicitor’ because the latter just isn’t as common. And ‘property lawyer’ is a catchall that includes counsel, associate, senior associate etc depending on your role/experience within your firm.
Ahhh... I think I kinda like that better, actually. More specifics makes better sense.
This is sacrilege
I think it was always on tv in a time slot that meant I’d never be home to see it because of sports practice or because I was eating supper after a sports practice.
 

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That footage is unbelievable. It seems like the American system is completely broken.

What were they arresting those people for?
 

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Here's a tough one, just goes to show you need lightning reactions and to keep your distance. The minimum 6/7m that they train you to take can be breached too quickly.

 

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Do they carry out any mental evaluation of police officers? A lot of them just seem to be complete psychopaths.
Not sure how it's done in America but in Australia you have to complete an 800 question (multiple choice) exam, and then if you pass that you will have a one on one interview with a Psychologist.

IMO in America tensions are so much higher than they are down here given the prevalence of guns. It's unbelievable that the Washington fatcats have done nothing about it yet. But then again the bible bashing gun nuts don't want a bar of it.
 

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What I don't get is why? What is the point? Did he get a kick out of ruining people lives?
USA is way too big and that's their main problem. Something like this happens anywhere in Europe and it will be a huge scandal, 24/7 news everywhere, sparking debates and have real consequences. In USA I wouldn't be surprised if 97 % of the population didn't even hear about this particular incident. It's basically just local news. USA is as big as the whole European continent so it's like a Swede reading about something happening in Bulgaria for many Americans.
 

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Here's a tough one, just goes to show you need lightning reactions and to keep your distance. The minimum 6/7m that they train you to take can be breached too quickly.

Jesus christ, that's nuts. Looked like it was right out of the movies when he shot the dude wrestling with his partner. Fecking crazy.
 

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Here's a tough one, just goes to show you need lightning reactions and to keep your distance. The minimum 6/7m that they train you to take can be breached too quickly.

wow haven't seen this one. Several issues, the main one being the officer should have shot the guy waaaaay earlier than he did. backing up to create distance and time is all well and good if feasible, and it "looks good" to civilians to show you care for the guy's life. But an officer is not required to retreat. He or his partner should have tried a taser or bean-bag shotgun (don't think they had one) after enough verbal commands and backpedaling. After that, stand your ground and shoot, or you end up getting yourself or your partner hurt/killed, as demonstrated in this video.
 

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Los Angeles police infiltrated activist group planning anti-Trump protests
Case is one of several across the US of police targeting anti-Trump and anti-fascist groups with monitoring and criminal trials

In Sacramento, police worked with neo-Nazis to pursue cases against leftwing activists, including seeking charges against anti-fascist protesters who were stabbed at a white supremacist rally. In Berkeley, police collaborated with a violent pro-Trump demonstrator to prosecute a leftwing group last year, and there have been similar controversies in Washington DC, Oregon and other states.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-police-informant-anti-trump-activist-protest