I dunno. In a scenario like this I'd like to be somewhere I feel comfortable such as my home dressing room and a ground I feel familiar in whether there is a crowd or not. All of that plays to advantage too. There are also some clubs that design their home dressing room to be excellent and the away dressing room shite to put the opposing team off.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Apparently Wolves returning to training on Monday. Not sure why they would do this unless they feel fairly confident about the PL starting again. There should be no reason for them to return to that unless football is coming back.
Exactly. So how can it be fair that some teams eg Bournemouth got to play Chelsea at home with a crowd and get a 2-2 draw, but their relegation rivals Villa and West Ham will have to play them at home without a crowd. Or even worse in some neutral venue. Home advantage is a real thing and some teams had it already, and some won't be able to get it.
This works to our benefit ? We have 5 away games and only 4 home games. Playing Palace, VIlla, Spurs and Leicester at a neutral ground could benefit us.
Wonder where they are going to train. Their training facilities were being used as a food distribution centre as far as I know.
It’ll be back in June, I’m certain of it. We’re past the peak of this now, everyone is feeling it. Crowds won’t be allowed in for a while yet but it’ll be safe enough to resume games BCD.
*takes a deep breathe*
The PL are sourcing their own testing, they are not taking it out of this phantom ‘nationwide pool’.
You have suppliers worldwide with different kits, some more expensive, some that work better. Some for home testing, some for wider testing. You buy from the suppliers.
The UK government have been promising and failing to provide these kits quickly, due to their general incompetence.
The PL are not incompetent and therefore have provided it for their staff. The PL is not responsible for providing testing centres or kits for anyone other than their own institution. But clubs and players have done exactly that.
The message from above is that ALL essential workers can now be tested. It’s all over the internet and the NHS and Metropolitan police have told their staff they can be tested. So again, yeah nothing is being diverted, nobody is taking anything from anyone.
no aldersley stadium is used for food distribution. Compton has been accessible for individual training since the beginning of the lockdown.
interesting they were informed on Friday
Chelsea team told to fly back too
Possibly. Maybe we do and maybe Chelsea or Wolves have a harder run in for fourth place. Whatever the result, it obviously makes it an unfair competition.
Are you sure about that?
The sole reason the season is being complete is because of the money they would lose out on. With no thought given to human life.
What do you think will happen once Liverpool win the 2 games and are crowned champions? people celebrating whilst social distancing?
Emotions will play a big part, hopefully people are sensible on how they go about things if football does start up again.
Sure...
The PL will obviously be sourcing their own tests but i'm sceptical that they will be buying them all from outside the UK. Do you know for certain all the kits they purchase will be coming from outside the UK and not from companies that the UK government are buying from? Even if they aren't using the same companies it increases demand for test kits worldwide however little and makes it potentially more difficult for the the government to buy more.
I'd also say its very likely every PL footballer will be tested before all the key workers get tested. Which i feel is the point some are trying to get across in here. The optics of that are bad from a PR standpoint, regardless of where those test kits arrive from.
Thats debatable.
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If the premier league can source tests and the government cannot, it’s the FA’s social obligation to ensure that these tests reach key workers before footballers.
If the FA join the market for covid tests, the government task of sourcing them instantly becomes harder.
It’s really not difficult to understand.
Many of your points are actually countered in #9922 and #9943.
There are plenty of precautions you can adopt working as a supermarket staff, a barber, or a McDonald's staff, but not as a football player. You can wear a surgical mask in a supermarket, but you can't wear one during a match; you can stay distant from others in a supermarket, but you can't ask players to stay away when playing; you can manage the customer flow in a supermarket, but you can't avoid crowding in corners; you can avoid conversation in a supermarket, but you can't avoid contacts in football.
"You cannot spread a virus you don't have", how can you be so sure? The sensitivity of testing has always been questioned since the outbreak, even the most sensitive PCR method has an unsatisfactory false negative rate. It is also worth to note that the virus has a latent period of 14 days. I'm a healthcare professional, so I wonder what the highly advanced, expensive and fast result producing accurate testing kit is? Enlighten me and hopefully we may become Nobel Prize contenders. Otherwise we are just making bold decisions based on some unreliable results.
Testing, testing and testing, the one and only point you keep repeating is that the Premier League is rich and it can afford testing. Again and again, I have emphasized that testing is a diagnostic tool, not a precaution. Testing should never be treated as an indicator of "safe to proceed", rapid tests in particular. It's actually dangerous for a carrier who is tested negative to think he's fine and spread the virus everywhere. You can do scans to diagnose a cancer, but doing scans every day does not lower your risk of getting cancer, no matter how good the scan is. Simple as that.
If it's true they're pursuing plans to restart because of TV deals/contractual demands, I'd be fuming if I worked at Sky at the suggestion of scrapping relegation.
Watford v Norwich, and it's live.... *Tumbleweed*
Watford v Norwich, and it's live.... *Tumbleweed*
Exactly, the optics on this is terrible.
Also, how is this for optics? govt tests results take a couple days currently. The PL want tests that will give results in 2 hours? So that players can get tested before every game.
This doesn't sit well, how can the PL get hold of these tests and the govt can't?
What is the point of completing the season when teams will be playing for nothing? The only reason is TV deals.
Majority of companies have lost millions of £ due to this pandemic, why is everyone worried about football losing money when it is an industry which probably has the most money? I understand clubs will lose on money, but alot of travel companies will lose out on money too.
10 positive tests in total in Bundesliga 1 and 2 (from 1700 tests).
I’m especially confused; I’m identified as a keyworker, complete with a letter to show if I get stopped by Police when travelling to work (right. now I don’t have to, I can WFH, but will need to go onsite soon as I can’t remote into operational systems for obvious security reasons), and have been told I can get tested, however that is with the prerequisite that I’m showing symptoms. If I’m not showing symptoms, I can’t get a test.
haha, we don’t produce anything here. We’re importers. Of course there’s no way to know for certain but a good idea was the government purchasing a load of faulty self administering kit from China a few weeks back using millions of pounds to do so. As for demand, like I’ve said a few times, there are countries out there telling us they have 400,000 unused testing kits. What’s more likely? These countries are lying or the Uk government is incompetent ?
That last line, should heed your own advice. In the post of mine you quoted I literally told you in the last line that essential workers can now all be tested. And are literally being tested in a Premier League ground. Do not let the government get off scot free. The Pl have filled their social obligation by doing that but it isn’t their job to sort out the whole structure. Are the Pl meant to wait till the government get their house in order and stop dragging their feet in order for them to be able to do anything?
Also why should they bail out the government?
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Yeah, the govt are only testing individuals who are showing symptoms, probably to keep the demand down so they can get as many people with symptoms tested.
The PL will have every staff tested prior to games. Which would be a big cost.
Any proof all essential workers can now be tested?
Why do football fans always refer to their rival‘s ‘lair’ as Castle Greyskull?!? It’s where the good ‘guys’ live.
The government is only testing individuals who are showing symptoms because it's meaningless to test a random asymptomatic guy. It's even dangerous for a carrier who is tested negative to think he's fine and spread the virus everywhere.
I didn't know they already won the league.
Extra time of 1999 CL final and your team are winning 1-0, United score two goals, in two minutes, and bag the trophy.
Remember?
If you are a keyworker, you can go to work, probably with precautions such as wearing a surgical mask. But again, testing is a diagnostic tool, not a precaution, so it's meaningless to do one if you aren't showing symptoms.
Who is going to do the testing actually for the Premier League? Are they also buying medical staff and labs and not taking them out of this, as you call it, phantom nationwide pool?
They wouldn't be bailing out the government, by the way, the same government who is currently giving them all sorts of financial aid, but they would be bailing out the population of the country.
haha. Good point. We get his drift though I think
Do you understand the difference between those hundreds of thousands of unused rapid diagnostic kits that are primarily intended for mass surveillance (antibodies) and the actual PCR based diagnostic tests needed for active disease confirmation?
And that relying on these rapid kits (sensitivity anywhere between 30 to 80%, possibly to be brought from China) to start a contact sport is like playing with fire?
Yes, i know it’s not the same level of social distancing but by virtue of the testing capabilities of the Pl compared to say a Mcds or shop, the risk of spread is reduced considerably. Unless you are suggesting that testing is that ineffective that it will make no difference to the comparative spread in these industries?
I’m a bit confused, are you asking me how I can be so sure you can’t spread a virus you don’t have ? You’re gonna have to enlighten me on that bit, maybe I’ve misread?
I mean the internet is there, you can find loads of information on high quality kit/machines, bad quality ones. We know the Pl is intending on investing on the best available.
Testing should never be an indicator of safe to proceed? Then why the feck are we even bothering with anything? The whole basis for us carrying on as a society is implementing a track and trace method via testing.
And that cancer comparison makes no sense.
I’m an essential worker and that’s what I’ve been personally emailed.
This is of course with symptoms, but even mild. Ideally, I’d like to get tested every time I turn up for work regardless of symptoms but unless there’s a 2 minute diagnostic machine out there that can test hundreds a day that won’t be happening.
Can’t answer that but I Imagine the theory will be this is staff being taken away from covid wards. The reality will of course be different.
Haha, the whole point of my argument has been that the PL wont be using inadequate testing. So yes I understand.
I mean more in the sense of responsibility. There’s a lot of misdirected anger imo. If the focus becomes too much on the PL people will forget the shambolic performance of the government through all of this. People in the covid thread expressed these concerns a while back when footballers were getting randomly attacked. Deflecting attention from the government. Maybe that’s why the government are very pro for a return of the PL. So the attention and criticism goes there and not on them.
I don't believe that to be true. And if football was criticised, which in honesty was correct given clubs were attempting to take government funds to furlough staff, then that critisim was warrented. I agree anger was missplaced as people went for the players, but the critism for football was warranted. It did not stop the government getting criticism
Is it true liverpool ladies want their league voided, who are in the relegation zone?
Hilarious if true
Hilarious if true
Right so the UK government bought faulty kits from China and some countries somewhere in the world may or may not have surplus testing kits of some description. Good to know thanks for the info mate.
What does that have to do with what we were discussing with regards to the PL?
Also has it occurred to you that countries stockpiling so many test kits that they haven’t used them all yet doesn’t preclude the possibility there is or could be a shortage of viable test kits available for sale on the market?
Fair point about the furlough and that shouldn’t be forgotten about. It was disgusting and despicable, though at least Spurs went some way towards something of a redeem by making their ground available for NHS staff to be tested.
I Just think it’s really misguided. Dunno if we have any resident Spanish or Italian people in this thread but I’d love to know if Serie a and La Liga are getting the same stinging criticism in their countries. We’ve seen a few German posters on here not bat an eyelid but their situation is different.
Well isn’t the argument that the PL are reducing the uks overall resource because there’s a shortage and that the PL are partly the cause of that?
What do we know so far? We know the uk testing throughout has been mediocre and resembles statistics from a third world country. We know they failed to find adequate Ppe in timely manor. We know they spent a lot of money on rubbish kit. We know they took too long to test emergency services workers.We know they’ve been making it up as they go along. We know they came on tv and told us “sorry you feel that way”...all this by the way whilst no football was being played.
Why does every other comparative country to us seem to be better at us with this particular area?
So if we’re to draw conclusions, what is more likely? The UK government are incapable of providing adequate and efficient testing kits/procedures because they’ve repeatedly shown themselves to be useless or that the UK government is struggling to do this because the PL are taking their intended resources ?
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They have been abandoned not voided, two different things.
In the dutch league the standings have been used for CL qualification.
Voiding the season has been taken off the table. Its between finish behind closed doors or finish with the current table now, so of those two options which one would you pick?
If we never develop vaccine or treatment, then Football will have to adapt to the virus, just like all industries around the world. Some clubs will already be massively up against it now as the rely on gate receipts.
How can you compare being 1-0 up to being 25 points clear? If you want an accurate analogy Liverpool are at least 6-0 up with a few minutes to go.
At least 6-0 up - They're so fantastic!
The greatest team in the History of Football.