FrankDrebin
Don't call me Shirley
Wonder what the viewing figures will be for the first match.
Just watched an interview with a Belgian player of Köln - said they trained all day with the 3 players which have afterwards been confirmed as positive cases. Not sure how one can justify that? His wife is a heart patient too, so he's not eager on playing out the season.
The virus is slowing down but simply hasn't died down fast enough to warrant any restart of a sports competition. We don't even know what the long-term effects on health will be, e.g. lung or heart complications. It's just not worth it for a top professional to sacrifice or risk his entire career to play a few more games because the leagues want them to. It's sad, and everyone wants to see some football ASAP, but it's just not responsible or even justifiable at this moment.
I think there's also a discrepancy between players who don't have anything left to play for (Aguero) and those who do (De Bruyne) regarding their desire to finish the season. Some would say it's an acceptable risk, others wouldn't bother anymore because what's the point.
It's also worth remembering though that football is also the source of livelihood for many people. Maybe the players aren't affected monetarily so badly, but the whole industry, which would include many low paid workers are affected.Great post .
Totally agree with everything you said . It's at times like these that we realise that football just isn't that important and it's only a game . As much as we all love it and are passionate about our teams it just isn't worth someone dying over
It should easily break records.Wonder what the viewing figures will be for the first match.
What about when half the games which are dead rubbers are played in front of no crowd by second tier / youth playersIt should easily break records.
While placing itself in pub quizzes everywhere.It should easily break records.
It's also worth remembering though that football is also the source of livelihood for many people. Maybe the players aren't affected monetarily so badly, but the whole industry, which would include many low paid workers are affected.
People often underestimate how intricately connected industries are in this capitalist economy of ours. It's not simply about shutting down one industry, because with it many others will also suffer.
There was not a delay. Do not believe the mirror c**ts.Maybe one of the german lads can comment but I dont understand why they have delayed by a week. Is it because of the 10 cases, because they have said its to ensure a quarantine of 14 days. If that is the case what happens when you get another 10 cases, I though the point was that they didnt care if there were individual players with the virus, the games would go on?
Except the Scousers, no one is complaining.
There was not a delay. Do not believe the mirror c**ts.
Today was the first time the government made a decision about that.
There is no way that PL will void the season while Bundesliga is back in business.
Facts. I don't know why people forget this. Of course, entertainment isn't a necessity but people tend to have a very myopic view of its impact. Sports leagues and clubs employ directly employ many people and affect the livelihoods of thousands of small and medium-sized businesses. Professional sports and entertainment industries do not operate in a vacuum. Go tell small businesses in Austin the impact of canceling SXSW (some of the personal stories are heartbreaking) or the furloughed staff of professional leagues.It's also worth remembering though that football is also the source of livelihood for many people. Maybe the players aren't affected monetarily so badly, but the whole industry, which would include many low paid workers are affected.
People often underestimate how intricately connected industries are in this capitalist economy of ours. It's not simply about shutting down one industry, because with it many others will also suffer.
None of those people will be helped by bcd games though?It's also worth remembering though that football is also the source of livelihood for many people. Maybe the players aren't affected monetarily so badly, but the whole industry, which would include many low paid workers are affected.
People often underestimate how intricately connected industries are in this capitalist economy of ours. It's not simply about shutting down one industry, because with it many others will also suffer.
It's interesting to see so many different solutions...Belgian football suspended until (at least) 31 July, the government announced an hour ago.
What games?
Does not really surprise - the countries were differently hit by the virus and the lockdown measures are different, too.It's interesting to see so many different solutions...
France: finish season "as is"
Netherlands: void(minus CL and EL places)
Germany = OK to start playing in mid/late May.
Belgium = Not OK to start playing before 31 July, and maybe not even then
We've had a resolution on the table since early April to end the season with Bruges as champions and no relegation - just needs to be verified by the general shareholders meeting, but their session has been postponed for 4-5 times or so. I expect a decision will be made soon now after the government's announcement. There's next to no chance that we'll finish this season, but almost sure that Bruges will be declared champions.It's interesting to see so many different solutions...
France: finish season "as is"
Netherlands: void(minus CL and EL places)
Germany = OK to start playing in mid/late May.
Belgium = Not OK to start playing before 31 July, and maybe not even then
Cheers!Does not really surprise - the countries were differently hit by the virus and the lockdown measures are different, too.
Germany never had a lockdown of the industry, the society is already more opened than in Spain, France etc. - the players are already in training (even if only in small groups with distancing) since about a month.
Death per 100,000 inhabitants/weeks
I just looked at the table. Are you really just one round of football away from finishing the season? Surely it's possible to finish it before next season? It will be weird to finish the season and then immediately start the next one a week later, but it seems like the best solution to me.We've had a resolution on the table since early April to end the season with Bruges as champions and no relegation - just needs to be verified by the general shareholders meeting, but their session has been postponed for 4-5 times or so. I expect a decision will be made soon now after the government's announcement. There's next to no chance that we'll finish this season, but almost sure that Bruges will be declared champions.
Exactly. I’ve been saying this from the beginning but it seems it not has even been considered as option when seasons stop/cancelled when it’s not even clear the next one can start as planned.I'm at the point where I don't give a feck about next season right now. Suspend indefinitely until players can play then finish the season out and worry about downstream shit (next season, CL, Euros, WC) then.
Something about pretending like 28 games didn't happen, doesn't sit well with me.
just looked at the table. Are you really just one round of football away from finishing the season? Surely it's possible to finish it before next season? It will be weird to finish the season and then immediately start the next one a week later, but it seems like the best solution to me.
Out of interest - who came up with the 70% rule.Surely those in the bottom 3 will want to play if relegation remains.
For promotions and relegations? If so, it's only a handful of extra games.They have a weird play off system that follows that 1 game
We have 10 more games remaining after the 1 game, so 11 in total, in line with other European leagues.For promotions and relegations? If so, it's only a handful of extra games.
Then again, looking at the graph posted above Belgium should probably chill for many more months
There is no disputing that sport/football supports directly and indirectly others. Football directly supports less as a proportion of its revenue than many other industries. Add that to the centralised and BCD matches, it boots the financial impact argument out of the park.Facts. I don't know why people forget this. Of course, entertainment isn't a necessity but people tend to have a very myopic view of its impact. Sports leagues and clubs employ directly employ many people and affect the livelihoods of thousands of small and medium-sized businesses. Professional sports and entertainment industries do not operate in a vacuum. Go tell small businesses in Austin the impact of canceling SXSW (some of the personal stories are heartbreaking) or the furloughed staff of professional leagues.
I was too was initially very critical of people who wanted to get back to work. However, after hearing more than enough stories of people losing their livelihoods due to the economic impact of COVID, I not only realize the privilege I have to keep my job and work from home, but I also realize I sound foolish passing judgment on individuals or industries that have been severely impacted.
That's certainly an interesting system. I've never seen anything like that before!We have 10 more games remaining after the 1 game, so 11 in total, in line with other European leagues.
That's good to hear!Our numbers aren't quite as bad as the graphic suggests by the way, we've just got a very strange way of counting our deaths in elderly homes - we include every death, even non-Covid related since there are (or weren't, it's better now) not enough tests available. That leads to highly likely over-reporting of Covid-19 deaths.
Yeah it's weird.Exactly. I’ve been saying this from the beginning but it seems it not has even been considered as option when seasons stop/cancelled when it’s not even clear the next one can start as planned.
How about a play-off between the top two sides to decide who wins the premier league also?Out of interest - who came up with the 70% rule.
This vote all comes down to what and how the option is presented to the clubs/players if the games are not played. Sadly for the clubs it will all come down to how much they stand to lose or gain financially.
can you imagine your a Norwich player on performance bonus if the clubs avoids relegation. Get paid by default for underperformance.
I think staying in doors I am starting to go mad but I like the wacky idea of having a super one-off playoff between the relegation mix teams and the top teams in the championship to see who get promoted/relegated. Before the new season if these prem games are not voted in favour.
Yeah can we all lone city any players they might need?How about a play-off between the top two sides to decide who wins the premier league also?
So you're an LFC fan?Yeah can we all lone city any players they might need?
Which should not be an accurate statement. The countries have been affected by the virus in completely different manners, therefore solutions should be adapted to their country.There was not a delay. Do not believe the mirror c**ts.
Today was the first time the government made a decision about that.
There is no way that PL will void the season while Bundesliga is back in business.
good point , make liverpool take phil jonesSo you're an LFC fan?
He's one player out of all from two divisions to say anything against the procedure being put in place.Just watched an interview with a Belgian player of Köln - said they trained all day with the 3 players which have afterwards been confirmed as positive cases. Not sure how one can justify that? His wife is a heart patient too, so he's not eager on playing out the season.
The virus is slowing down but simply hasn't died down fast enough to warrant any restart of a sports competition. We don't even know what the long-term effects on health will be, e.g. lung or heart complications. It's just not worth it for a top professional to sacrifice or risk his entire career to play a few more games because the leagues want them to. It's sad, and everyone wants to see some football ASAP, but it's just not responsible or even justifiable at this moment.
I think there's also a discrepancy between players who don't have anything left to play for (Aguero) and those who do (De Bruyne) regarding their desire to finish the season. Some would say it's an acceptable risk, others wouldn't bother anymore because what's the point.
Now you've jumped the shark.good point , make liverpool take phil jones
How functions training in the different countries?Which should not be an accurate statement. The countries have been affected by the virus in completely different manners, therefore solutions should be adapted to their country.
But because of £££ that'll probably end up being the case (not that it's got anything to do with the Bundesliga, in fact).
Yep, they're miles ahead of us. Think we will end up tracking what ever Italy do with regards to the lockdown.Comparing Germany with the UK is a pretty pointless comparison.
On every single metric Germany are ahead of the UK on this and by a distance as well. So just because the BL will start isnt at all to say the PL will.
A more fair comparison would be with Italy. If they get Serie A up and running then the PL would have a chance.