Argentina aren't good brah, they are about the same level as Portugal (remember how they qualified), it's just that Messi will face a weaker team than Spain.
Cristiano Ronaldo - performances 2017/18
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Portugal will get past either of them.
One could win the WC
Indeed, he’s got nowhere as much hair as King Eric
Portugal play better against favourites. Russia aren't great but host the tournament and Uruguay aren't bad. Suarez won't miss chances every game.
If France doesn't win it, I hope one of them does because I'd like to see Pelé's face. That old smug man needs to be toppled off his b.s pedestalOne could win the WC
An example. Messi has also scored hat tricks in el clasicos. Scored in champions league finals. Was fantastic last world cup despite them losing in the final. Point is that both are up there with pele and Maradona as the best ever. Theres nothing to split them. Stats throughout their careers are neck and neck, success in trophies is neck and neck, with Ronaldo having the edge but Messi having the edge in terms of his pure peak and his best ever year. Theres literally nothing you can point to as saying "that's why Ronaldo/messi" are better then the other, because both have literally done everything. Stop comparing them and just admire both for what they are.
Let's not go into ridiculous territory now.
Portugal's second best player is Moutinho or Bernando Silva. Argentina has Di Maria, Aguero, Higuain and Dybala who are better than anything Portugal has bar Ronaldo.
They're not good, yes. But they're a better unit really.
All of them who are performing at Moutinho and Bernardo Silva's level for Argentina. Let's not get ridiculous indeed and base imaginary performances of them on what they do for their clubs. They have been extremely disappointing, Messi is basically carrying them all
I don't know man. They have no backline and no mifield
Portugal are better than both
Exactly. Argentina are more than decent, without Messi. Portugal without Ronaldo is unthinkable.
Ignore how they play at club level. Portugal play as a team and have a good system and a coach they're all behind. Argentina is useless if it isnt for Messi, everyone around him flops, and they are so disjointed most of the time. Though you could argue that Ronaldo puts the team on his back and inspires everyone and lifts them, while Messi puts Argentina on his back but fails to lift his teammates. But playing for Argentina, theres basically no difference between Aguero and Guedes for Portugal today. Hes trash for them.
My best on Cristiano to be topscorer is looking excellent. Thanks
Argentina on paper are decent without messi. In practice, Spain hammered them 6-1 recently. They're useless without him. All those big name players... they crumble.
Portugal without Ronaldo will be sitting at home watching on TV
It is not imaginary though, we have seen how good they are. Maybe Messi - as the captain, leader and the best player of the team - should actually share some blame. Maybe he also needs to be blamed for being unable to score once in 5 finals he played for Argies.
Putting the quality of Portugal's team in the same level as Argentina is just agenda, to justify Messi's failures in rapport with Ronaldo.
Same with Messi tbh. He carried them with a hat trick in their decisive game. The whole process to get to the WC has been abysmal for Argentina.
Sorry, but it doesn't work this way, it has never worked this way. Maybe Messi is making them worse. Because we have seen Aguero in 2 different clubs, Higuain in three, and Di Maria at least in two being really, really good. But when they play with Messi, suddenly they are bad. Hmmm...
Mate, I have no love for Messi nor for Ronaldo so thank you for assuming something you know feck all about
It is imaginary because I don't think you've seen them play recently.
Argentina are perhaps the most top heavy side in history. Their defence is garbage.
Of course it does because the national team setup and performances have little to do with how they play at club level. You're basically going to make your view on reputation and not actual performances
Can he score 25+ a season in the next 3 years? If so, he would a great addition to us.
Best part is this wasn't against some WC minnows in a routine thrashing, it was against one of the best sides in the competition. Would be like Messi scoring a hat-trick against Brazil at the WC.
Great point. To score a great free kick to finish the hat trick is a sure way to make it iconic too. It won't hurt when comes Ballon d'Or voting time.
This isn’t the Ronaldo vs. Messi or Portugal vs. Argentina thread
They are the same players though.
Of course, Messi vetoing new players like Icardi because he doesn't like them and wants to play with his buddies, is another thing that people forget. He is essentially their manager too, and a great job he has been doing on that.
And feck, I have supported Argies in World Cup always until this one.
Please see the post above...
Yeah but football doesn't work like. Players could be the same but about a million things could intervene to explain/excuse/justify why individual and collective performances aren't good.
Fair enough...
Leaving it here because of warning.
I am happy to continue it on Messi vs Ronaldo thread. Oh wait, I am definitely not doing that
, there are infinitely better things to do.Don't worry though, after tonight Ronaldo is the best
You expect too little, how many years has it been since he failed to score 40?
He's been the best for many years now.Don't worry though, after tonight Ronaldo is the best
Individually they're comfortably better than the portugeezers.
I wouldn't even call that discussion a classic "Messi vs Ronaldo"Leaving it here because of warning.
I am happy to continue it on Messi vs Ronaldo thread. Oh wait, I am definitely not doing that
More like Argentina vs PortugalThankfully football is more than the sum of individuals
Honestly, you have so many arguments to back it up, there is nothing to sayHe's been the best for many years now.