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I like Dan James and think a squad is always better for having decent level pros who have a great attitude and can be used in Cup games. With that said Amad is a mile more talented than him, he is a better dribbler, his pass selection is on a different planet, he reads the game better in knowing what position to stand in to receive the ball in a more advantageous way.
Whilst you may be right I also think this sounds like a lot of what is said about a lot of our youngsters
So which games are you basing this assessment from?
It is on quite a small sample size, the games Amad played at the end of the season, the Olympics and some of the very few of Atalanta's Champions League and Serie A games I went back and watched a bit of after we had signed him. I think with this type of difference you only need a decent sample size with one of the players (Dan James in this scenario) because you can then spot things that they do not do very quickly when another player does so.
The best way I can describe it is that I feel Amad looks like he is a seasoned professional whilst having by far the less experience of the two whilst James still looks very raw (with some great qualities).
The issue is he works hard but he doesn't provide enough quality and end product. Should we simply reward players for trying?
We'd have kept Gibson and Cleverly in that case, and a host of others who carved out decent PL careers but weren't good enough for united
James isn’t good enough to be a starter, and I think he never will. Bid >£20m should be accepted. A move to a mid table team would be best for his development and we need >£20m in our hunt for a new CM and Haaland.
He is better than Darren Gibson, Tom Cleverly was a squad player in some good teams and played that role for 4 seasons which was fine.
Gibson was better IMO. He passed the ball better, had better overall technique and at least excelled at one thing (his long range shooting).
All 3 were a similar level, starters for bottom half teams and squad players for top half teams.
It seems like you really want James to succeed and are therefore looking at all kinds of reasons to keep him when his performances arguably don't warrant it. At the price he was bought he was always gonna be a gamble.
If James could finish a ball he’d score loads. Gets himself in good positions.
His positioning is decent but he lacks the technical ability.
His positioning is decent but he lacks the technical ability.
I hope you're right regarding amad obviously but thanks for stating what you're basing it off.
I think James decision making is horrible for the most part and would think a change in scenery may help. It's crazy but he's played more games for us than he did at the team we bought him from. It's funny cos if James had those first five or so games from his first season with us and then got injured (or it was five towards the end) we would all be excited about him.
I think too many people are too quick to hype somebody up or write a player off, and it's usually one extreme or another.
What? I want every United player to succeed
Why would not what that? That's a bizarre statement.
Let me rephrase it to: "you want to see him succeed so badly you're unwilling to accept he has already flopped".
You know, if we sell him there's players that have an actual chance at succeeding that could get his minutes.
Honestly, if that's your takeaway from my response to your post, you're just wumming. Not surprising considering you basically said selling flopped players for 20m two years in is not "the united way" and Sanchez was the only example you could think of
Bobbins is DJ.
Again, it's never just about pure talent, of which I don't think Gibson had more of than James. Gibson had a bad work ethic and most importantly, his personal life negatively impacted his play because by all accounts, he was an avid drinker.
James has been a much better fit for the squad than Gibson ever was or ever could be.
You can add Smiley's all you want, but you're having two different conversations nowLet me rephrase it to: "you want to see him succeed so badly you're unwilling to accept he has already flopped".
You know, if we sell him there's players that have an actual chance at succeeding that could get his minutes.
Honestly, if that's your takeaway from my response to your post, you're just wumming. Not surprising considering you basically said selling flopped players for 20m two years in is not "the united way" and Sanchez was the only example you could think of
Selling somebody and cutting somebody is completely different
And you've missed the whole point of the whole conversation because you're too busy playing fantasy football on what your ideal Manchester United would look like. Well done.
It's just my opinion after seeing them play. Short sample size but sometimes some player catches your eye even if they haven't performed to the level they can. With James, it has always felt like this is his level which isn't bad but probably not good enough for Manchester United.
It's pretty clear that Amad is miles more talented.
Interesting, I actually have a completely different opinion on him. In theory he has decent technique, can run with the ball and is quite fast. The problem I see with Dan: he isn't smart, he will run into players even if given acres of space. His finishing is quite good too I think (but he has no medium to long shot in him).
I bet he is a good player in fifa, not so in real life when his head is controlling his movement.
In case James are not sold which is likely to be the case, we have Sancho, James, Greenwood, (Rashford) as LW and RW.
So, in the ideal case, we should send 1 youngster on loan. Elanga or Diallo, who's better choice to be on loan?
So, in the ideal case, we should send 1 youngster on loan. Elanga or Diallo, who's better choice to be on loan?
Man Utd 5:1 Leeds Utd
I'm not going to blast him. All i'll say is that his level is a super sub in the 70-80 min to run at tired defences. That kind of speed late in games will create opportunities. He's simply not a starter and looked completely at odds to the rest of our attack.
Some good positioning, but his role if he is to stay is an impact sub player and that's it..
Some good positioning, but his role if he is to stay is an impact sub player and that's it..
Chill lads. Chill!
He was the odd one out today, it's obvious he doesn't belong at this level, but in fairness he's only playing because two or three were missing.
Eventually his role is going to fall back to a squad one as the season goes on, so I'm not sure why people cry all the time.
He'll be useful as the season goes on
He'll be useful as the season goes on
Killed far too many attacks with poor technique and decision making. No hassle though as he won't feature much when everyone is fit.
He was poor on the ball. But people are really underrating his pressing and his ability to stretch the play. He makes the pitch simply bigger because his pace gives opposition defenders something to worry about every second he on.
He'll get better as the season goes on.
He'll get better as the season goes on.
The only player that didn't step up today. Can't wait for Sancho to get up to speed.
Made runs, pressed the opponent, it was very Dan James like game from him.
He is lucky it wasn't a close game. He killed every good attack he get his foot in. His ball abilities are a joke at this point.
It's such a shame because off the ball, he's excellent.
It's such a shame because off the ball, he's excellent.
If he practices his shooting then he can be useful because he does get in decent positions and create chances, and those shots could result in many rebounds. Still think there's a squad player in there.
I don't want to be sore on the lad but he just isn't a United player.
We were phenomenal out there today but James stood out like a sore thumb. He shouldn't even be ahead of Lingard in the pecking order and this is coming from somebody who can't stand Lingard.
We were phenomenal out there today but James stood out like a sore thumb. He shouldn't even be ahead of Lingard in the pecking order and this is coming from somebody who can't stand Lingard.
Not sure he'll be useful as a squad player when whenever he's called upon, he's of low quality.
LW - Rashford/Martial/Sancho/Pogba
RW - Sancho/Greenwood/Mata/Diallo
That's more than enough. James doesn't warrant being ahead of those players hence he needs shifting.
LW - Rashford/Martial/Sancho/Pogba
RW - Sancho/Greenwood/Mata/Diallo
That's more than enough. James doesn't warrant being ahead of those players hence he needs shifting.
Dan James was poor today. Won possession a few times, carelessly offside, a tame shot on target, one blocked and one off-target. Put a cross in within no United players inside the area.
I would still keep him. You bring him on when you want to see out a game. But he was poor today. He was the odd player out. The one that looked out of his depth.
What supersub? We'll be playing mostly against parked busses whenever we need a goal in the final stages of a game. He's a luxury sub whenever we have a lead.
I always thought if he could actually finish he'd be a good squad player. But ehm he needs to start doing that sooner rather than later.
Positionally and defensively prefect today. Of course lacking in end product but he pinned back Leeds
Decent game but lacking final ball or shot. It's a shame really because he did get in some great position
I really do feel sorry for him at this point. He seems like a nice guy, I want him to do well, but he’s like an 8 yr old playing against the under 21’s. Makes terrible decisions. I like that after about the 4th time he came inside cutting off all options for Bruno it was good to see Bruno pull him aside and explain to him going wide will create space for us to run in to.
He’s hard working and I love that but he just does not have the intelligence right now to know what he should be doing.
He’s hard working and I love that but he just does not have the intelligence right now to know what he should be doing.
I think people are taking it easy on him tbh. Pressing and running is all it takes to say someone is useful now? He legitimately looked like a Sunday league star that won a contest to get to play a game for United.
And I’m not even mad or anything, it is what it is at this point and he’s there for depth. But saying he can do a job when his role is a forward that can’t EVER seem to get it right in the final third is just pity.
And I’m not even mad or anything, it is what it is at this point and he’s there for depth. But saying he can do a job when his role is a forward that can’t EVER seem to get it right in the final third is just pity.
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